01-08-2015, 02:08 PM
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Silly preferences of Brian Kelly, revealed
01-08-2015, 02:29 PM
I'm sure the fact that ND played them and lost has nothing to do with this assessment. For some good laughs ...and to appreciate Shaw...you all should check out one of the ND free sites: Rock's House at NDNation. There's the usual delusional thinking mixed with an infinitesimal pinch of reality as well as a healthy dose of Kelly hatred, which I endorse.
I'm sure the fact that ND played them and lost has nothing to do with this assessment. For some good laughs ...and to appreciate Shaw...you all should check out one of the ND free sites: Rock's House at NDNation. There's the usual delusional thinking mixed with an infinitesimal pinch of reality as well as a healthy dose of Kelly hatred, which I endorse.
01-08-2015, 10:31 PM
(01-08-2015, 02:08 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[tweet]553245032845549568[/tweet]
I heard several people say the same on ESPN radio today.
I haven't watched FSU play enough to be sure what I think - but remember that football intelligence is not the same thing as academic intelligence or even sanity.
Mariota sure seems like a better overall qb to me, but Winston plays in a more pro-friendly offense.
(01-08-2015, 02:08 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[tweet]553245032845549568[/tweet]
I heard several people say the same on ESPN radio today.
I haven't watched FSU play enough to be sure what I think - but remember that football intelligence is not the same thing as academic intelligence or even sanity.
Mariota sure seems like a better overall qb to me, but Winston plays in a more pro-friendly offense.
01-09-2015, 09:51 AM
(01-08-2015, 10:31 PM)CTcard link Wrote:Mariota sure seems like a better overall qb to me, but Winston plays in a more pro-friendly offense.
I'm really curious about this line of reasoning, what does FSU's offense require Winston to do that Oregon's doesn't require of Mariota? I sure didn't notice anything.
I still think that Winston's main problem was that FSU's a horrible environment and that if he ends up in a decent situation he won't be a constant fuckup in the same way that he was at FSU, but who knows if that'll actually happen. I guess we'll see.
(01-08-2015, 10:31 PM)CTcard link Wrote:Mariota sure seems like a better overall qb to me, but Winston plays in a more pro-friendly offense.
I'm really curious about this line of reasoning, what does FSU's offense require Winston to do that Oregon's doesn't require of Mariota? I sure didn't notice anything.
I still think that Winston's main problem was that FSU's a horrible environment and that if he ends up in a decent situation he won't be a constant fuckup in the same way that he was at FSU, but who knows if that'll actually happen. I guess we'll see.
01-09-2015, 10:38 AM
We should not forget that our David Shaw has given Mr. Winston high praise in the past, even after losing him to FSU, nor that Mr. Winston led his team to two straight unbeaten regular seasons, with a schedule not significantly different in quality than our own. Yes has has done some very stupid things at Talahassee, but these things were socially related, not football-wise. Kelly is right, IMHO. If I were an NFL GM I'd pick Winston over Mariotta. Over the long term he has much more potential than Mr. M.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
We should not forget that our David Shaw has given Mr. Winston high praise in the past, even after losing him to FSU, nor that Mr. Winston led his team to two straight unbeaten regular seasons, with a schedule not significantly different in quality than our own. Yes has has done some very stupid things at Talahassee, but these things were socially related, not football-wise. Kelly is right, IMHO. If I were an NFL GM I'd pick Winston over Mariotta. Over the long term he has much more potential than Mr. M.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
01-09-2015, 11:50 AM
Unless that potential is curtailed by off-the-field issues. Players represent investments.
01-09-2015, 11:54 AM
(01-09-2015, 09:51 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:I'm really curious about this line of reasoning, what does FSU's offense require Winston to do that Oregon's doesn't require of Mariota? I sure didn't notice anything.
Winston takes snaps under center.
Winston takes 3,5,7 step drops.
Winston makes some play selection at the line of scrimmage.
Mariota does none of the first, basically none of the second, and only a little of the third.
(01-09-2015, 09:51 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:I'm really curious about this line of reasoning, what does FSU's offense require Winston to do that Oregon's doesn't require of Mariota? I sure didn't notice anything.
Winston takes snaps under center.
Winston takes 3,5,7 step drops.
Winston makes some play selection at the line of scrimmage.
Mariota does none of the first, basically none of the second, and only a little of the third.
01-09-2015, 12:03 PM
(01-09-2015, 11:50 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:Unless that potential is curtailed by off-the-field issues. Players represent investments.
Very true, Mr. F. It's also true that most young men significantly mature (physically and socially) in the 21-25 year old cohort. If Mr. W matures socially, he will be a superstar. Mr. M has already maxed out his physical and social capabilities (IMVHO). Good luck to the both of them.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
(01-09-2015, 11:50 AM)fullmetal link Wrote:Unless that potential is curtailed by off-the-field issues. Players represent investments.
Very true, Mr. F. It's also true that most young men significantly mature (physically and socially) in the 21-25 year old cohort. If Mr. W matures socially, he will be a superstar. Mr. M has already maxed out his physical and social capabilities (IMVHO). Good luck to the both of them.
All models are wrong; some models are useful......
George Box
01-09-2015, 12:52 PM
(01-09-2015, 11:54 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=11504.msg110406#msg110406 date=1420822314]
I'm really curious about this line of reasoning, what does FSU's offense require Winston to do that Oregon's doesn't require of Mariota? I sure didn't notice anything.
Winston takes snaps under center.
Winston takes 3,5,7 step drops.
Winston makes some play selection at the line of scrimmage.
Mariota does none of the first, basically none of the second, and only a little of the third.
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Do the first two things matter at all? I can't imagine that's very hard to teach to someone of Mariota's caliber. And I'd personally be surprised if Winston's play-selection responsibilities were significantly higher than Mariota's.
(01-09-2015, 11:54 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=11504.msg110406#msg110406 date=1420822314]
I'm really curious about this line of reasoning, what does FSU's offense require Winston to do that Oregon's doesn't require of Mariota? I sure didn't notice anything.
Winston takes snaps under center.
Winston takes 3,5,7 step drops.
Winston makes some play selection at the line of scrimmage.
Mariota does none of the first, basically none of the second, and only a little of the third.
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Do the first two things matter at all? I can't imagine that's very hard to teach to someone of Mariota's caliber. And I'd personally be surprised if Winston's play-selection responsibilities were significantly higher than Mariota's.
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