[SeattleTree]

[quote author=SeattleTree link=topic=14469.msg154204#msg154204 date=1453740841]
[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=14469.msg154199#msg154199 date=1453739130]
You're right, you're an old white guy. The Panthers are fine. And calling sexual-assaulter and probable-HGH-user Manning classy is, well, kinda rich.

Bitter Patriots fan, perhaps?
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Half right, I'm a Pats fan but I'm not bitter (at least now Manning gets to take the bullet of being clobbered by the Panthers, I had no real hope for winning the Owl this year). I just find this sort of hypocrisy and pearl-clutching ridiculous. If some guys celebrating their TDs too enthusiastically makes you dislike the NFL, then I think you have some serious problems.

Also, I think the Stanford fanbase needs to just get the hell over the issues with Cam. He had a better season than Luck did. Of all the gripes we have about    voting, that is by far the least legitimate. I also don't know how in the world you could see the smiles on those little kids' faces when he hands them a game ball and not like him. How many other people in the NFL are doing that?
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I have no problems with the way Cam celebrates, nor do I have a problem with Cam winning the Voldemort.  His celebration is not my style, but he's having fun and he's not doing it in a manner which disrespects his opponents.  As for the Voldemort,  Luck should have beaten RG3, Toby should have beaten Ingram and CMac should have beaten Henry.  But that has nothing to do with Cam. 

I understand your wanting to deflect attention from a group of proven cheaters like Belichick and the Pats.  But to do so after the Broncos beat them and to try to drag Peyton through the mud in doing so? That's the very definition of bitterness. 

[SeattleTree]

[quote author=SeattleTree link=topic=14469.msg154204#msg154204 date=1453740841]
[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=14469.msg154199#msg154199 date=1453739130]
You're right, you're an old white guy. The Panthers are fine. And calling sexual-assaulter and probable-HGH-user Manning classy is, well, kinda rich.

Bitter Patriots fan, perhaps?
[/quote]

Half right, I'm a Pats fan but I'm not bitter (at least now Manning gets to take the bullet of being clobbered by the Panthers, I had no real hope for winning the Owl this year). I just find this sort of hypocrisy and pearl-clutching ridiculous. If some guys celebrating their TDs too enthusiastically makes you dislike the NFL, then I think you have some serious problems.

Also, I think the Stanford fanbase needs to just get the hell over the issues with Cam. He had a better season than Luck did. Of all the gripes we have about    voting, that is by far the least legitimate. I also don't know how in the world you could see the smiles on those little kids' faces when he hands them a game ball and not like him. How many other people in the NFL are doing that?
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I have no problems with the way Cam celebrates, nor do I have a problem with Cam winning the Voldemort.  His celebration is not my style, but he's having fun and he's not doing it in a manner which disrespects his opponents.  As for the Voldemort,  Luck should have beaten RG3, Toby should have beaten Ingram and CMac should have beaten Henry.  But that has nothing to do with Cam. 

I understand your wanting to deflect attention from a group of proven cheaters like Belichick and the Pats.  But to do so after the Broncos beat them and to try to drag Peyton through the mud in doing so? That's the very definition of bitterness.