[Griffins78]

[quote author=Treebound link=topic=15102.msg163651#msg163651 date=1464152550]
[quote author=TrumpCard link=topic=15102.msg163648#msg163648 date=1464150705]
  I think Stanford is really good at teaching it's students to engage in thoughtful and respectful discourse and this board is a good reminder of that.

This is why I have come to this board more than others over the years.  I enjoy the healthy, civil debate, on or off topic. The thread drift, humor, wit and wisdom are the gems.  I appreciate everyone's input although I may not agree with their views.   

I worked at Netscape long ago and one of the first rules of the internet was that you should only write what you are willing to say face to face to the person with whom you are corresponding.  It's easier said than done, but it's a great rule of thumb.    I think a few of us have tried to call people (including Ferrari) when they crossed the line and I think more of us need to invoke rule #2 so that it does not fall to Yvonne.    We all need to hold each other accountable for being civil if we want this to be Our CardBoard.
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+1. Well said.
[/quote]I agree and have decided to weigh in.

I do not think this has to do with opinions at all - even though several are arguing as if that is what is at fault. From my perspective, it is about how people were treated in an uncivil way - repeatedly and despite feedback that it was unacceptable. Often hidden in the form of "just an opinion." What is the purpose of repeatedly "just giving an opinion" when you know it is highly offensive to many people in a room together? That is not a civil way to treat anyone. It is disrespectful.

I do think that as a community we've tried to give new members feedback on acceptable behavior. This has helped to develop an online culture that most find unique and has attracted many of us here. Often new members are given feedback and almost universally, they appreciate the feedback and adapt.

Some just don't care what others think or whether they say hurtful things. i personally felt Ferrari either purposely tried to bait and irritate people or just didn't care whether he upset people here. Many people gave him feedback that what he was saying was not appreciated and often highly offensive... often and for a long time. Yet he chose to continue and the discourse here degraded significantly and the efforts to get him to change grew.

I know and like garvin and I'm sorry to see him leave. I hope he decides to come back - think he will - but it is HIS decision and I'm OK with him leaving in protest because I think not banning Ferrari would cause others to leave instead.

I support and trust Yvonne's right and decision to ban anyone she sees necessary to maintain the great community that she helped create. It is her vision and effort that created the Cardboard and the rules that helped make it different and better.

[Griffins78]

[quote author=Treebound link=topic=15102.msg163651#msg163651 date=1464152550]
[quote author=TrumpCard link=topic=15102.msg163648#msg163648 date=1464150705]
  I think Stanford is really good at teaching it's students to engage in thoughtful and respectful discourse and this board is a good reminder of that.

This is why I have come to this board more than others over the years.  I enjoy the healthy, civil debate, on or off topic. The thread drift, humor, wit and wisdom are the gems.  I appreciate everyone's input although I may not agree with their views.   

I worked at Netscape long ago and one of the first rules of the internet was that you should only write what you are willing to say face to face to the person with whom you are corresponding.  It's easier said than done, but it's a great rule of thumb.    I think a few of us have tried to call people (including Ferrari) when they crossed the line and I think more of us need to invoke rule #2 so that it does not fall to Yvonne.    We all need to hold each other accountable for being civil if we want this to be Our CardBoard.
[/quote]

+1. Well said.
[/quote]I agree and have decided to weigh in.

I do not think this has to do with opinions at all - even though several are arguing as if that is what is at fault. From my perspective, it is about how people were treated in an uncivil way - repeatedly and despite feedback that it was unacceptable. Often hidden in the form of "just an opinion." What is the purpose of repeatedly "just giving an opinion" when you know it is highly offensive to many people in a room together? That is not a civil way to treat anyone. It is disrespectful.

I do think that as a community we've tried to give new members feedback on acceptable behavior. This has helped to develop an online culture that most find unique and has attracted many of us here. Often new members are given feedback and almost universally, they appreciate the feedback and adapt.

Some just don't care what others think or whether they say hurtful things. i personally felt Ferrari either purposely tried to bait and irritate people or just didn't care whether he upset people here. Many people gave him feedback that what he was saying was not appreciated and often highly offensive... often and for a long time. Yet he chose to continue and the discourse here degraded significantly and the efforts to get him to change grew.

I know and like garvin and I'm sorry to see him leave. I hope he decides to come back - think he will - but it is HIS decision and I'm OK with him leaving in protest because I think not banning Ferrari would cause others to leave instead.

I support and trust Yvonne's right and decision to ban anyone she sees necessary to maintain the great community that she helped create. It is her vision and effort that created the Cardboard and the rules that helped make it different and better.