[OutsiderFan]

I assume much of your self-righteous and pedantic ranting is aimed at my comments. First, let me say I misread and responded to your original post. I read it as being directed toward those who don't care to fawn over the ESPN-appointed deities deigning to descend upon Stanford this week.  That was my mistake and I apologize.

Meanwhile, you are a self-described Outsider Fan. You don't know anything about how any individual here acts at a game...or our levels of passion... and we certainly don't need to be reminded of the lack of same from some of our brethren; it's been a topic of discussion here more than once. When I require your advice on being a better fan, I believe I can muster the courage to ask for it. In the meantime.....

I'm pointing out how it rubs a lot of people the wrong way when people put down people in SEC country for being so fanatical about college football (and sports in general), and then those same people turn around and act the same way when their team reaches a certain level of performance.  As for the Facebook page, just show up at a game and act like you are in Rome.

Yvonne, Cal fans do suck.  You can come up with myriad reasons.  But neither fan base has great fans.  All things considered, Stanford's are better IMO because they don't apologize for or tolerate mediocrity.  And now that Harbaugh and Shaw have shown what is possible in an era of big media dollars for sports, Stanford's standard of football performance has been raised higher than ever and seems likely to stay high.  That more than anything is what it takes to build a stronger, more passionate fan base.

[OutsiderFan]

I assume much of your self-righteous and pedantic ranting is aimed at my comments. First, let me say I misread and responded to your original post. I read it as being directed toward those who don't care to fawn over the ESPN-appointed deities deigning to descend upon Stanford this week.  That was my mistake and I apologize.

Meanwhile, you are a self-described Outsider Fan. You don't know anything about how any individual here acts at a game...or our levels of passion... and we certainly don't need to be reminded of the lack of same from some of our brethren; it's been a topic of discussion here more than once. When I require your advice on being a better fan, I believe I can muster the courage to ask for it. In the meantime.....

I'm pointing out how it rubs a lot of people the wrong way when people put down people in SEC country for being so fanatical about college football (and sports in general), and then those same people turn around and act the same way when their team reaches a certain level of performance.  As for the Facebook page, just show up at a game and act like you are in Rome.

Yvonne, Cal fans do suck.  You can come up with myriad reasons.  But neither fan base has great fans.  All things considered, Stanford's are better IMO because they don't apologize for or tolerate mediocrity.  And now that Harbaugh and Shaw have shown what is possible in an era of big media dollars for sports, Stanford's standard of football performance has been raised higher than ever and seems likely to stay high.  That more than anything is what it takes to build a stronger, more passionate fan base.