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Obviously, Rosen sees himself as separate from his teammates...something Shaw (and others) sensed about him while he was being recruited.

What exactly is the evidence for this that makes it so obvious?

And what is the evidence that Shaw "sensed" this about him?

Rosen shares a modest apartment with roommates who are both football players. His parents are multimillionaires, so presumably he could rent a luxury condo in Westwood if he desired to be separate from his teammates.

His teammate Scott Quessenberry was quoted as saying that "We all love Josh, he comes out every day and competes hard." Linebacker Josh Woods said "we support him 110%." Safety Jaleel Wadood was quoted as saying "A lot of us are thinking the things he says, some of us don't say it because we don't have the platform he does". Makes sense, Rosen is un-benchable but it would be risky for less prominent players to take the stands that he has taken.

After the controversy about his school/sports remarks he received extensive social media support from prominent teammates and ex-teammates, e.g. Theo Howard ("my quarterback is smart"), Jaelan Phillips ("Josh never lied") and Takkarist McKinley ("Chosen Rosen always stating facts. Love that guy").

247 Sports reported that he stays after practice to throw routes to any recover who asks, that he takes his offensive line to dinner every week and that he led every summer workout.

My experience is that football players like and respect teammates who 1) play hard, 2) play hurt, 3) play to win. Athletes are not put off by teammates with large egos as long as they back it up with performance and effort.

Calling a twenty year old a punk based on superficial observations seems out of line. Johnny Manziel is a punk - hits women, drives drunk and lets down his teammates by prioritizing partying over preparing to win games. At worst Rosen is brash, opinionated and egotistical.

I have heard that Shaw was concerned by Rosen's questions about the depth chart and the presumption that he would not be patient in waiting to get on the field. Rosen has the reputation of thinking that he is smarter than his coaches. Of course this ironic given all the criticism of Shawvitagren's conservative offensive philosophies. Surely some members of the forum would have been pleased for Rosen to have been a offered a combination quarterback/OC scholarship so that he could have installed a more aggressive offensive scheme.

I thought BC's post was axiomatic, because we (including myself just as much) write lengthy posts and make strong assertions without knowing the man, projecting our own personal values and supporting them with observations of body language or facial expressions on TV or anonymous quotes from online blogs or talk radio. By definition our assertions are almost entirely reflections of ourselves since there is no firsthand knowledge and virtually no reliable, objective information to analyze other than on-field performance when we post about Rosen or other players (e.g. McCaffrey or his teammates) for that matter.

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Obviously, Rosen sees himself as separate from his teammates...something Shaw (and others) sensed about him while he was being recruited.

What exactly is the evidence for this that makes it so obvious?

And what is the evidence that Shaw "sensed" this about him?

Rosen shares a modest apartment with roommates who are both football players. His parents are multimillionaires, so presumably he could rent a luxury condo in Westwood if he desired to be separate from his teammates.

His teammate Scott Quessenberry was quoted as saying that "We all love Josh, he comes out every day and competes hard." Linebacker Josh Woods said "we support him 110%." Safety Jaleel Wadood was quoted as saying "A lot of us are thinking the things he says, some of us don't say it because we don't have the platform he does". Makes sense, Rosen is un-benchable but it would be risky for less prominent players to take the stands that he has taken.

After the controversy about his school/sports remarks he received extensive social media support from prominent teammates and ex-teammates, e.g. Theo Howard ("my quarterback is smart"), Jaelan Phillips ("Josh never lied") and Takkarist McKinley ("Chosen Rosen always stating facts. Love that guy").

247 Sports reported that he stays after practice to throw routes to any recover who asks, that he takes his offensive line to dinner every week and that he led every summer workout.

My experience is that football players like and respect teammates who 1) play hard, 2) play hurt, 3) play to win. Athletes are not put off by teammates with large egos as long as they back it up with performance and effort.

Calling a twenty year old a punk based on superficial observations seems out of line. Johnny Manziel is a punk - hits women, drives drunk and lets down his teammates by prioritizing partying over preparing to win games. At worst Rosen is brash, opinionated and egotistical.

I have heard that Shaw was concerned by Rosen's questions about the depth chart and the presumption that he would not be patient in waiting to get on the field. Rosen has the reputation of thinking that he is smarter than his coaches. Of course this ironic given all the criticism of Shawvitagren's conservative offensive philosophies. Surely some members of the forum would have been pleased for Rosen to have been a offered a combination quarterback/OC scholarship so that he could have installed a more aggressive offensive scheme.

I thought BC's post was axiomatic, because we (including myself just as much) write lengthy posts and make strong assertions without knowing the man, projecting our own personal values and supporting them with observations of body language or facial expressions on TV or anonymous quotes from online blogs or talk radio. By definition our assertions are almost entirely reflections of ourselves since there is no firsthand knowledge and virtually no reliable, objective information to analyze other than on-field performance when we post about Rosen or other players (e.g. McCaffrey or his teammates) for that matter.