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KJ has many talents, and the one that I think will help the most vs Washington State and distinguishes him from KC is his mobility and speed. He is a very credible threat to keep the ball and do some damage on zone reads. Hogan had a field day running the ball vs the Cougars a couple of years ago when nothing else was working well.

Well, not to retread old debates but... KC definitely had mobility and speed. Maybe not Luck or Cam Newton level, but definitely a plus athlete for a college QB.* He just was inconsistent about when he chose to utilize it.

*(e.g., FWIW, Chryst had a 98 SPARQ rating in high school: http://www.espn.com/college-sports/footb...ler-chryst ... which is pretty good. Not amazing, but certainly better than average.)
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I probably should have added "relative" in there somewhere. I don't have any stats to back this up, but it seems to me based on the wildly subjective eye test that KC has lost a step, burst or some general mobility since his knee injury. Not to say that he won't eventually be back to the way he was, but it's been less than year than he was injured in the Sun Bowl.
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I agree that Chryst is likely still limited somewhat by his prior ACL injury. Regardless of his SPARQ rating, however, in-game athleticism is just a completely different metric compared to track speed. Andrew Luck ran a 40 just .1 slower then Colin Kaepernick, but never had anywhere near the in-game athleticism when scrambling. Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers have the same 40 time, yet Rogers is much more dangerous as a runner. Chryst, whether from the ACL or not, plays slower and more tentatively then his numbers suggest.  Costello actually has a slower reported 40 time then Chryst coming out of high school, but clearly shows more athleticism on the field.

Of course, athleticism, while helpful, is not necessary to be a great passer. Great QBs know how to move in the pocket to avoid the rush and create throwing lanes. Likewise, accuracy, timing, and field vision are all more rare attributes then pure athleticism, unfortunately Chryst just hasn't consistently shown the pocket presence or passing skills to make his immobility less of a liability. It must be aggravating for the coaches to see just how good he can be (QBR 95.5 against Oregon, a near perfect game), to throwing up such air balls against SDSU (QBR 10.2) and OSU (QBR 18.8 ). Brilliance without consistency is just not enough for this team.

Sample size is small, but so far KJ has put up QBRs of 95.7, 94, 90, 73, 99.9. Here's hoping that trend continues.

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[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=17885.msg209870#msg209870 date=1509678228]
[quote author=pcgoode link=topic=17885.msg209869#msg209869 date=1509677958]
KJ has many talents, and the one that I think will help the most vs Washington State and distinguishes him from KC is his mobility and speed. He is a very credible threat to keep the ball and do some damage on zone reads. Hogan had a field day running the ball vs the Cougars a couple of years ago when nothing else was working well.

Well, not to retread old debates but... KC definitely had mobility and speed. Maybe not Luck or Cam Newton level, but definitely a plus athlete for a college QB.* He just was inconsistent about when he chose to utilize it.

*(e.g., FWIW, Chryst had a 98 SPARQ rating in high school: http://www.espn.com/college-sports/footb...ler-chryst ... which is pretty good. Not amazing, but certainly better than average.)
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I probably should have added "relative" in there somewhere. I don't have any stats to back this up, but it seems to me based on the wildly subjective eye test that KC has lost a step, burst or some general mobility since his knee injury. Not to say that he won't eventually be back to the way he was, but it's been less than year than he was injured in the Sun Bowl.
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I agree that Chryst is likely still limited somewhat by his prior ACL injury. Regardless of his SPARQ rating, however, in-game athleticism is just a completely different metric compared to track speed. Andrew Luck ran a 40 just .1 slower then Colin Kaepernick, but never had anywhere near the in-game athleticism when scrambling. Alex Smith and Aaron Rogers have the same 40 time, yet Rogers is much more dangerous as a runner. Chryst, whether from the ACL or not, plays slower and more tentatively then his numbers suggest.  Costello actually has a slower reported 40 time then Chryst coming out of high school, but clearly shows more athleticism on the field.

Of course, athleticism, while helpful, is not necessary to be a great passer. Great QBs know how to move in the pocket to avoid the rush and create throwing lanes. Likewise, accuracy, timing, and field vision are all more rare attributes then pure athleticism, unfortunately Chryst just hasn't consistently shown the pocket presence or passing skills to make his immobility less of a liability. It must be aggravating for the coaches to see just how good he can be (QBR 95.5 against Oregon, a near perfect game), to throwing up such air balls against SDSU (QBR 10.2) and OSU (QBR 18.8 ). Brilliance without consistency is just not enough for this team.

Sample size is small, but so far KJ has put up QBRs of 95.7, 94, 90, 73, 99.9. Here's hoping that trend continues.