[Snorlax94]

I’m not a ND football fan. Far from it. But this is the “line” if you will that rankles me a bit. ND is an excellent Private University by any standard. Is it Stanford?  No. But so what.


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I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.
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Notre Dame is certainly a good university. But I think it's also fair to say it doesn't compare to Stanford as a research university.

By one international index of universities (the QS Rankings), Stanford ranks second in the world, and Notre Dame, #216. In the Pac-12, Notre Dame would fall exactly in the middle, behind Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Washington, and ARIZONA STATE. Scholars around the globe cite papers by ASU's faculty more than Notre Dame's.

So I think you can say Stanford and Notre Dame are both good universities just like you could say Bryce Love and another Division I scholarship running back are very good athletes. And they both are. Relative to the general population, any Division I running back is probably a very good athlete.

But on the other hand, if someone claimed Bryce Love was similar to their running back because they're both Division I running backs, you could argue it's a misleading comparison, because a Division I running back is very good relative to the general population, and Bryce is world-class elite, as are Stanford's academics.

One correction: one area I'd like to give Notre Dame props for is their graduation rate, which often ranks among the best in the nation, and has often beat Stanford's. So, even if their admission bar is much lower, and their research is inferior, and their academic reputation is lower, and they've had many scandals, and their purple-faced coach does not represent the high standards of  character they claim to uphold, their athletes graduate at one of the best rates in the nation, which I think is very praiseworthy.

[Snorlax94]

I’m not a ND football fan. Far from it. But this is the “line” if you will that rankles me a bit. ND is an excellent Private University by any standard. Is it Stanford?  No. But so what.


[quote author=terry link=topic=18009.msg214248#msg214248 date=1511377945]
[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=18009.msg214191#msg214191 date=1511326878]
I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.
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Notre Dame is certainly a good university. But I think it's also fair to say it doesn't compare to Stanford as a research university.

By one international index of universities (the QS Rankings), Stanford ranks second in the world, and Notre Dame, #216. In the Pac-12, Notre Dame would fall exactly in the middle, behind Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Washington, and ARIZONA STATE. Scholars around the globe cite papers by ASU's faculty more than Notre Dame's.

So I think you can say Stanford and Notre Dame are both good universities just like you could say Bryce Love and another Division I scholarship running back are very good athletes. And they both are. Relative to the general population, any Division I running back is probably a very good athlete.

But on the other hand, if someone claimed Bryce Love was similar to their running back because they're both Division I running backs, you could argue it's a misleading comparison, because a Division I running back is very good relative to the general population, and Bryce is world-class elite, as are Stanford's academics.

One correction: one area I'd like to give Notre Dame props for is their graduation rate, which often ranks among the best in the nation, and has often beat Stanford's. So, even if their admission bar is much lower, and their research is inferior, and their academic reputation is lower, and they've had many scandals, and their purple-faced coach does not represent the high standards of  character they claim to uphold, their athletes graduate at one of the best rates in the nation, which I think is very praiseworthy.