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Actually, I forgot about Burns.  Nunes too. Changes the question a bit. Are we not coaching up our talent, or are the new guys just that much better?

Sanford was at Stanford through 2013, which means Nunes is on him.  Pritchard took on the QB coach duties in 2014 (he had been running backs coach in 2013).  So, he is responsible for Hogan's last two years, Burns, Chryst, and Costello.

BC

EDIT: Sanford was only QB coach in 2013; he had been RB coach before then.  So, only Hogan's 2013 year counts.  Pep Hamilton was QB coach in 2012.

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Look, Kevin Hogan was our QB for part 2012 season and all of 2013.  Sanford was QB coach in 2103.  That was the year Kevin really developed.  Sanford recruited Chryst, then left for OC position at Boise State.  Prichard was QB coach 2014-2017.  His projects were Burns and Chryst.  Not sure who was responsible for delaying KJ's emergence as starter in 2017, but I'm sure he had a hand in the decision.   I think KJ's success is in spite of his position coach.  

These are my opinions.  I knew Sanford but have never met Prichard.  I may be wrong, but I think Mike Sanford, Jr. was a great talent that "got away."

Here is Hogan's numbers by year (QB coach in parentheses):
2012 (Hamilton): 109/152 (72%), 7.2 ypa, 9 TD, 2 INT, PER of 148
2013 (Sanford): 180/295 (67%),  8.9 ypa, 20 TD, 10 INT, PER of 152
2014 (Pritchard): 232/352 (66%), 7.9 ypa, 19 TD, 8 INT, PER of 146
2015 (Pritchard): 206/304 (68%), 9.4 ypa, 27 TD, 8 INT, PER of 171

If you see a clear sign that Sanford made a large impact on Hogan's numbers, your eyes are better than mine.  To me, the clear discontinuity can be seen in 2015, when Hogan's PER made a fairly large jump, but that was a couple years after Sanford was no longer coach.

Now let's look at Costello's numbers from 2017 to 2018:
2017 (Pritchard): 124/211 (59%), 7.5 ypa, 14 TD's, 4 INT's, PER of 143
2018 (Pritchard): 222/330 (67%), 8.6 ypa, 23 TD, 10 INT, PER of 157

Comparing Hogan's improvement from 2012 to 2013 under Sanford to Costello's improvement from 2017 to 2018 under Pritchard, I don't know why you would give Sanford credit for a smaller improvement in Hogan's numbers but not give Pritchard credit for what Costello has done.

BC

BC, tough to argue with those stats.  My impression (non statistical) was that Hogan performed very well in 2013, his first full season as a starter, had some issues in 2014 and was a good QB on a very good (possible the best ever) Stanford team in 2015.   I saw a big change in Hogan's demeanor, patience and leadership in 2013, compared to his 3-4 games in 2012.  I attributed his 2013 improvement, at least to some extent, to coaching (but it could be the natural course of experience and maturity).  I think Hogan's play was all about intangibles and intangibles are tough to attribute to coaching.  Same, to some extent, with KJ.  It may be that Burns and Chryst just lacked those difficult-to-define traits. 

But that change from 2012 to 2013...hmm, I really think Sanford had a very positive hand in that.  

Like I said, I am pretty frustrated as I had very high hopes for this team.  I do hope something changes in middle management.  I'm not a Shaw basher, as I think he is the perfect coach for Stanford, a guy any parent would want their son to play for.  I do think he needs better help.  And it may be that good help is hard to find, especially given budgetary restraints and the escalation of football salaries.

Great to have so much passionate input.  Beat the Weanies!!!!

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Actually, I forgot about Burns.  Nunes too. Changes the question a bit. Are we not coaching up our talent, or are the new guys just that much better?

Sanford was at Stanford through 2013, which means Nunes is on him.  Pritchard took on the QB coach duties in 2014 (he had been running backs coach in 2013).  So, he is responsible for Hogan's last two years, Burns, Chryst, and Costello.

BC

EDIT: Sanford was only QB coach in 2013; he had been RB coach before then.  So, only Hogan's 2013 year counts.  Pep Hamilton was QB coach in 2012.

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Look, Kevin Hogan was our QB for part 2012 season and all of 2013.  Sanford was QB coach in 2103.  That was the year Kevin really developed.  Sanford recruited Chryst, then left for OC position at Boise State.  Prichard was QB coach 2014-2017.  His projects were Burns and Chryst.  Not sure who was responsible for delaying KJ's emergence as starter in 2017, but I'm sure he had a hand in the decision.   I think KJ's success is in spite of his position coach.  

These are my opinions.  I knew Sanford but have never met Prichard.  I may be wrong, but I think Mike Sanford, Jr. was a great talent that "got away."

Here is Hogan's numbers by year (QB coach in parentheses):
2012 (Hamilton): 109/152 (72%), 7.2 ypa, 9 TD, 2 INT, PER of 148
2013 (Sanford): 180/295 (67%),  8.9 ypa, 20 TD, 10 INT, PER of 152
2014 (Pritchard): 232/352 (66%), 7.9 ypa, 19 TD, 8 INT, PER of 146
2015 (Pritchard): 206/304 (68%), 9.4 ypa, 27 TD, 8 INT, PER of 171

If you see a clear sign that Sanford made a large impact on Hogan's numbers, your eyes are better than mine.  To me, the clear discontinuity can be seen in 2015, when Hogan's PER made a fairly large jump, but that was a couple years after Sanford was no longer coach.

Now let's look at Costello's numbers from 2017 to 2018:
2017 (Pritchard): 124/211 (59%), 7.5 ypa, 14 TD's, 4 INT's, PER of 143
2018 (Pritchard): 222/330 (67%), 8.6 ypa, 23 TD, 10 INT, PER of 157

Comparing Hogan's improvement from 2012 to 2013 under Sanford to Costello's improvement from 2017 to 2018 under Pritchard, I don't know why you would give Sanford credit for a smaller improvement in Hogan's numbers but not give Pritchard credit for what Costello has done.

BC

BC, tough to argue with those stats.  My impression (non statistical) was that Hogan performed very well in 2013, his first full season as a starter, had some issues in 2014 and was a good QB on a very good (possible the best ever) Stanford team in 2015.   I saw a big change in Hogan's demeanor, patience and leadership in 2013, compared to his 3-4 games in 2012.  I attributed his 2013 improvement, at least to some extent, to coaching (but it could be the natural course of experience and maturity).  I think Hogan's play was all about intangibles and intangibles are tough to attribute to coaching.  Same, to some extent, with KJ.  It may be that Burns and Chryst just lacked those difficult-to-define traits. 

But that change from 2012 to 2013...hmm, I really think Sanford had a very positive hand in that.  

Like I said, I am pretty frustrated as I had very high hopes for this team.  I do hope something changes in middle management.  I'm not a Shaw basher, as I think he is the perfect coach for Stanford, a guy any parent would want their son to play for.  I do think he needs better help.  And it may be that good help is hard to find, especially given budgetary restraints and the escalation of football salaries.

Great to have so much passionate input.  Beat the Weanies!!!!