(07-08-2021, 08:27 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(07-08-2021, 07:34 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The question on the ND guy is whether he would be a buy at #4. That's basically a bet that he will win the championship in the next few years. I see a lot of 10 and 11 win seasons for ND, but I don't see a title in Kelley's future, not with Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and tOSU taking turns ahead of him. ND will be in the title hunt year in and year out, but it will fall short year in and year out. Thus, I think he's a hold at 4.
Edwards is a Buy at 34, at least in the short term. He probably has one of the top-2 teams in the South right now, and seems likely to make it to the top-25. I'm not sure what his long term prospects are, and the next couple years' teams may be at or near his ceiling. But that ceiling is better than 34.
BC
Agreed, ASU is a sleeping giant and Edwards is doing a lot of things right there, he is a Buy.
On the other hand, Finch is also a Buy for me, definitely not a Sell; that program can't get any worse and he's doing good things in terms of recruiting.
Jimmy Lake is also a Sell for me, based on poor recruiting and the fact that their biggest true rival (Oregon, not WSU) is on such a strong upward trajectory.
Of the others on the list the one that stands out for me is Sonny Dykes at #69. It's hard to believe following his dismal Cal tenure but he's doing a brilliant job at SMU. They are having unprecedented recruiting success and bringing home big time transfers who played for metroplex high schools. I would issue Buy recommendations on all of the top G5 programs since they are going to benefit from the playoff expansion and SMU is obviously in the top echelon of that cohort. Buying SMU stock now is like buying Microsoft stock in the late 1980s, and given Dykes's age and roots he should be there for the foreseeable future.
It is all about finding your niche…
He was in over his head at the P5 level. He has found a home at the lower G5 level.
(07-08-2021, 01:53 PM)Mick Wrote: ...according to the Sporting News...
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foo...0wbezasn/6
Other Pac 12 coaches and select opponent coaches with this year's/last year's ranking:
Brian Kelly, Notre Dame (4, was 6)
Jim Harbaugh, Michigan (15, was 11)
Mario Cristobal, Oregon (16, was 15)
Kyle Wittingham, Utah (19, was 18)
David Shaw, Stanford (24, was 24)
Clay Helton, USC (25, was 26)
Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss (was USC) (26, was 39
Mike Leach, Mississippi State (28, was 19. Bloom off the rose?)
Herm Edwards, Arizona State (34, was 30)
Justin Wilcox, Cal (47, was 48)
Chip Kelly, UCLA (50, was 53)
Karl Dorrell, Colorado (59, was 96)
Jimmy Lake, Washington (60, was 64)
Nick Rolovich, Washington State (65, was 65)
Sonny Dykes, SMU (ex-Cal) (69)
Jed Fisch, Arizona (78)
Jonathan Smith, Oregon State (77)
Brent Brennan, San Jose State (81, was 121. Moved up 40 spots after last year's 7-1 record)
Mike Bloomgren, Rice (119, was 122)
I always wonder about rankings that include guys who have never been a head coach at a P5 school. Fisch may be the best guy to coach at AZ since Tomey or he may be a total bust. No one knows until he has led a program for at least a couple seasons.
Too high - Harbaugh, Leach, Edwards.
Too low - Brennan, Kelly, Lake.