[Goose]

This I totally agree with. If he leaves Michigan, willingly or otherwise, he isn't coming back. He will burn that bridge forever. If he leaves now to go to the NFL it at least can be viewed as a "promotion" rather than a defection. He had a great year in 2021. 2022 most probably will be a reversion to the mean, and while not chopped liver that isn't a B1G championship and a chance at the National Championship. That might be come a bit unpleasant. If he doesn't intend to finish his career at Michigan, leave now.

Goose, your continual effort to piss on Harbaugh's accomplishments is remarkable.



A "reversion to the mean" of 10 win seasons and a NY6 bowl game.  What a crappy coach, right?

Teejers1, you insist on interpreting my comments as pissing on what JH has accomplished. Not my intention. JH is a good coach. However, I differ from you interpretation as to how good. According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi...ll_coaches JH is 61-24 overall and 42-17 in conference. His 0.712 winning percentage would translate to 8.5 wins per season, but this number is greatly influenced by 2020. He has won 10+ games 4 times. In the other three years he won 8, 9, and 2. Scale the 2 to a full year, you get 4. So the "mean" season is somewhat below the 10 wins per year level, even if you ignore 2020. Is this a real good record? For sure it is. The problem is that during those 7 years JH has won 1 conference championship. The Michigan folks want a Bo, who won 13 in 21 years, or even a Lloyd Carr who won 5 in 13 years. One conference championship in 7 years won't do it for them. Losing to tOSU five straight times has never happened before, probably because they fired the coach before it could. One may argue those expectations are unrealistic, but tOSU coaches have done just about that well over the last 10 or more years. So is JH a "crappy coach"? IMHO, no, I think he is a pretty good coach. If he stays at Michigan and keeps winning 10+ games essentially every year along with a "bunch" of conference championships he can transition into being a "great" coach. However, he isn't there yet, and it is unclear how much slack he will get to accomplish that transition if he has an "off" year. It may not be fair, but that is the situation he is in.

"Willingly or otherwise?"  "Burn that bridge forever?"  



C'mon, man.  That's ridiculous.

I think it is simply true. If JH were to leave for another P5 job, like Kelly did going to LSU, I think even you would agree that there would be lots of bad blood. The fact he was an alum would become a net negative. As far as we know, JH isn't going to do that. If he goes to the NFL, it would be lots easier for the UM fans to swallow. They may feel a bit let down, but it is understandable. However, if JH goes to the NFL and is successful, he will most probably stay in the NFL. If he isn't successful in the NFL, he will be gone a minimum of three years. Do you honestly believe that in 4 years the UM brain trust would hire back a guy who won one conference championship in 7 years, left the school, and then bombed out in the NFL? I sure don't, and this is ignoring any issues about his personality.

[Goose]

This I totally agree with. If he leaves Michigan, willingly or otherwise, he isn't coming back. He will burn that bridge forever. If he leaves now to go to the NFL it at least can be viewed as a "promotion" rather than a defection. He had a great year in 2021. 2022 most probably will be a reversion to the mean, and while not chopped liver that isn't a B1G championship and a chance at the National Championship. That might be come a bit unpleasant. If he doesn't intend to finish his career at Michigan, leave now.

Goose, your continual effort to piss on Harbaugh's accomplishments is remarkable.



A "reversion to the mean" of 10 win seasons and a NY6 bowl game.  What a crappy coach, right?

Teejers1, you insist on interpreting my comments as pissing on what JH has accomplished. Not my intention. JH is a good coach. However, I differ from you interpretation as to how good. According https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi...ll_coaches JH is 61-24 overall and 42-17 in conference. His 0.712 winning percentage would translate to 8.5 wins per season, but this number is greatly influenced by 2020. He has won 10+ games 4 times. In the other three years he won 8, 9, and 2. Scale the 2 to a full year, you get 4. So the "mean" season is somewhat below the 10 wins per year level, even if you ignore 2020. Is this a real good record? For sure it is. The problem is that during those 7 years JH has won 1 conference championship. The Michigan folks want a Bo, who won 13 in 21 years, or even a Lloyd Carr who won 5 in 13 years. One conference championship in 7 years won't do it for them. Losing to tOSU five straight times has never happened before, probably because they fired the coach before it could. One may argue those expectations are unrealistic, but tOSU coaches have done just about that well over the last 10 or more years. So is JH a "crappy coach"? IMHO, no, I think he is a pretty good coach. If he stays at Michigan and keeps winning 10+ games essentially every year along with a "bunch" of conference championships he can transition into being a "great" coach. However, he isn't there yet, and it is unclear how much slack he will get to accomplish that transition if he has an "off" year. It may not be fair, but that is the situation he is in.

"Willingly or otherwise?"  "Burn that bridge forever?"  



C'mon, man.  That's ridiculous.

I think it is simply true. If JH were to leave for another P5 job, like Kelly did going to LSU, I think even you would agree that there would be lots of bad blood. The fact he was an alum would become a net negative. As far as we know, JH isn't going to do that. If he goes to the NFL, it would be lots easier for the UM fans to swallow. They may feel a bit let down, but it is understandable. However, if JH goes to the NFL and is successful, he will most probably stay in the NFL. If he isn't successful in the NFL, he will be gone a minimum of three years. Do you honestly believe that in 4 years the UM brain trust would hire back a guy who won one conference championship in 7 years, left the school, and then bombed out in the NFL? I sure don't, and this is ignoring any issues about his personality.