[M T]

On a related note, if you force a jump ball with a tie-up, do you get credit for a steal if the possession arrow favors your team?  Really, you should get credit for 1/2 of a steal, regardless of the possession arrow.  Does anyone keep track of tie-up stats?  

So, my wife and I did very detailed stats for our daughter's HS team for years.  We would watch the game tape (and rewind/slo-mo where necessary) to get the stats right.  The biggies were steals (which go to the person who causes the ball to come loose, not the one who ends up with it) and assists (did the recipient of pass have to make a hoops move before scoring).  Rebounds were easier - who came up with it, unless you could see that Player A intentionally tipped the ball to Teammate B (which is rare for HS girls, or at least was with our team).

But when it came to jump balls, we just punted altogether (per coach's instruction) because the direction of the possession arrow made it completely arbitrary if there was a turnover of possession or not.  In retrospect, a 1/2 a steal (for tying the ball up) and 1/2 a TO (for getting tied up) might have been a good way to do it!  Or maybe just have separate entires for "tie ups" and "getting tied up." 

P.S.  I think the official rules are "turnover" if the possession arrow is pointing your way, but we never had to run that one down.

"Turnover" is not in the NCAA playing rules.  It is covered by the statistics manual.  Basically, if you cause a held ball, then IF the arrow is pointing your way, you get a steal & they get a turnover.  Things like time-limit calls (inbounds, closely-guarded, or in-the-lane) are turnovers, but not steals.  I think that would be the same for an out-of-bounds call where the officials didn't see who last touched it.   If the arrow is pointing to the team that had possession of the ball, then no steal & no turnover.

The one I don't know (and didn't find quickly) is a held ball on a rebound.  I would guess no turnover and no steal.  The  rebound goes to the player & team with the arrow.

[M T]

On a related note, if you force a jump ball with a tie-up, do you get credit for a steal if the possession arrow favors your team?  Really, you should get credit for 1/2 of a steal, regardless of the possession arrow.  Does anyone keep track of tie-up stats?  

So, my wife and I did very detailed stats for our daughter's HS team for years.  We would watch the game tape (and rewind/slo-mo where necessary) to get the stats right.  The biggies were steals (which go to the person who causes the ball to come loose, not the one who ends up with it) and assists (did the recipient of pass have to make a hoops move before scoring).  Rebounds were easier - who came up with it, unless you could see that Player A intentionally tipped the ball to Teammate B (which is rare for HS girls, or at least was with our team).

But when it came to jump balls, we just punted altogether (per coach's instruction) because the direction of the possession arrow made it completely arbitrary if there was a turnover of possession or not.  In retrospect, a 1/2 a steal (for tying the ball up) and 1/2 a TO (for getting tied up) might have been a good way to do it!  Or maybe just have separate entires for "tie ups" and "getting tied up." 

P.S.  I think the official rules are "turnover" if the possession arrow is pointing your way, but we never had to run that one down.

"Turnover" is not in the NCAA playing rules.  It is covered by the statistics manual.  Basically, if you cause a held ball, then IF the arrow is pointing your way, you get a steal & they get a turnover.  Things like time-limit calls (inbounds, closely-guarded, or in-the-lane) are turnovers, but not steals.  I think that would be the same for an out-of-bounds call where the officials didn't see who last touched it.   If the arrow is pointing to the team that had possession of the ball, then no steal & no turnover.

The one I don't know (and didn't find quickly) is a held ball on a rebound.  I would guess no turnover and no steal.  The  rebound goes to the player & team with the arrow.