[Cardinal96]

[quote author=NYCCardinalFan link=topic=6768.msg50949#msg50949 date=1351619134]
[quote author=somnambule link=topic=6768.msg50872#msg50872 date=1351542059]
I expected to see a Carson Palmer comparison to start the thread :)

Palmer's first full year as starer looked remarkably like where Nunes is headed. The general consensus on Palmer throughout the conference during his early years was also similar to Nunes' -- that he'd never be a serviceable D1 QB.

Palmer in 2000: 228/415 (54.9%) for 2914 yards, 16 Passing TDs; 18 Interceptions; 7.0 Y/A; 118 rating
Nunes in 2012 so far: 121/230 (52.6%) for 1620 yards, 10 passing TDs; 7 interceptions; 7.0 Y/A; 120 rating

In case anyone thinks I'm seriously suggesting that Nunes will win a Voldemort -- I'm not. I'm merely pointing out an interesting parallel* that seemed to fit with the thread.

Bummer if Nottingham is transferring, but agree with Yvonne. Can't blame him at all.

* Of course, Palmer was a red-shirt Soph at the time (had started 8 games before 2000 though) while Nunes is a Senior. Plus I'm hoping Shaw is nothing like Paul Hackett and we can fix our offensive woes without a coaching change.

I don't know where to begin on comparing Palmer to Nunes.  I saw Palmer from his early games to his later games at the team Under Stanford Control and it was clear from the get-go that he could be very good when he found his rhythm.  You also saw clear and steady improvement from Palmer as the season progressed.  Nunes is not showing signs of significant improvement and I have zero indication from watching him play that he will significantly improve.[/quote]

Sorry, NYC -- revisionist history. Palmer was as inconsistent as they came in his early college years. I attended SC for undergrad, so I followed that team almost as closely as I followed Stanford at the time. Even leading into his senior year, when analysts were projecting the team Under Stanford Control as the top team in the conference, the fan reaction around the conference at the time (including Stanford boards) was along the lines of "yeah, right -- not with that joke of a QB".

Despite 8 starts under his belt before 2000, there was no improvement to be seen during that year (or much the following year). Plus his team lost 7 of the last 9 games that season, including losses to Washington State (4-7) and the college near a BART station (3-8) after starting 3-0. If that's what you call steady progress through the season, I'm not sure what you are complaining about with this Stanford team.

In Palmer's defense, his later improvement shows how much of a role coaching plays in player development (in case there were any doubts).
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I mostly remember the 1998 season, his freshman year.  I saw him a few times that year.  So I went and looked at the stats.  That year he was 130/235 (55.3%) for 1755 yards (7.5 yap) with 7 TD and 6 interceptions.  That was a total rating of 122.8. 

That is slightly north of Nunes' numbers this year and that was as a true freshman.  The team was comparable.  They were 8-4 in the regular season and lost to TCU in the Sun Bowl that year.

I wasn't the only one who thought Carson Palmer had promise.  Jon Wilner covered Palmer for the LA Times at the time and thought he had potential from the get-go.

Can anyone honestly tell me that they see potential elite QB in Josh Nunes by next year?  Unlike Palmer, we don't get three years to build his skillset up.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/20...mber-1998/

He just obviously was an NFL QB in the making, from his first action at USC.

He wasn’t truly great until the end of his Trojan career, when Pete Carroll and Norm Chow got a hold of him, but Palmer definitely had major, major skills and poise at an early stage.

Read that link and you can see the accolades he was getting.  I haven't seen Nunes getting much of any accolades this year.

[Cardinal96]

[quote author=NYCCardinalFan link=topic=6768.msg50949#msg50949 date=1351619134]
[quote author=somnambule link=topic=6768.msg50872#msg50872 date=1351542059]
I expected to see a Carson Palmer comparison to start the thread :)

Palmer's first full year as starer looked remarkably like where Nunes is headed. The general consensus on Palmer throughout the conference during his early years was also similar to Nunes' -- that he'd never be a serviceable D1 QB.

Palmer in 2000: 228/415 (54.9%) for 2914 yards, 16 Passing TDs; 18 Interceptions; 7.0 Y/A; 118 rating
Nunes in 2012 so far: 121/230 (52.6%) for 1620 yards, 10 passing TDs; 7 interceptions; 7.0 Y/A; 120 rating

In case anyone thinks I'm seriously suggesting that Nunes will win a Voldemort -- I'm not. I'm merely pointing out an interesting parallel* that seemed to fit with the thread.

Bummer if Nottingham is transferring, but agree with Yvonne. Can't blame him at all.

* Of course, Palmer was a red-shirt Soph at the time (had started 8 games before 2000 though) while Nunes is a Senior. Plus I'm hoping Shaw is nothing like Paul Hackett and we can fix our offensive woes without a coaching change.

I don't know where to begin on comparing Palmer to Nunes.  I saw Palmer from his early games to his later games at the team Under Stanford Control and it was clear from the get-go that he could be very good when he found his rhythm.  You also saw clear and steady improvement from Palmer as the season progressed.  Nunes is not showing signs of significant improvement and I have zero indication from watching him play that he will significantly improve.[/quote]

Sorry, NYC -- revisionist history. Palmer was as inconsistent as they came in his early college years. I attended SC for undergrad, so I followed that team almost as closely as I followed Stanford at the time. Even leading into his senior year, when analysts were projecting the team Under Stanford Control as the top team in the conference, the fan reaction around the conference at the time (including Stanford boards) was along the lines of "yeah, right -- not with that joke of a QB".

Despite 8 starts under his belt before 2000, there was no improvement to be seen during that year (or much the following year). Plus his team lost 7 of the last 9 games that season, including losses to Washington State (4-7) and the college near a BART station (3-8) after starting 3-0. If that's what you call steady progress through the season, I'm not sure what you are complaining about with this Stanford team.

In Palmer's defense, his later improvement shows how much of a role coaching plays in player development (in case there were any doubts).
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I mostly remember the 1998 season, his freshman year.  I saw him a few times that year.  So I went and looked at the stats.  That year he was 130/235 (55.3%) for 1755 yards (7.5 yap) with 7 TD and 6 interceptions.  That was a total rating of 122.8. 

That is slightly north of Nunes' numbers this year and that was as a true freshman.  The team was comparable.  They were 8-4 in the regular season and lost to TCU in the Sun Bowl that year.

I wasn't the only one who thought Carson Palmer had promise.  Jon Wilner covered Palmer for the LA Times at the time and thought he had potential from the get-go.

Can anyone honestly tell me that they see potential elite QB in Josh Nunes by next year?  Unlike Palmer, we don't get three years to build his skillset up.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/20...mber-1998/

He just obviously was an NFL QB in the making, from his first action at USC.

He wasn’t truly great until the end of his Trojan career, when Pete Carroll and Norm Chow got a hold of him, but Palmer definitely had major, major skills and poise at an early stage.

Read that link and you can see the accolades he was getting.  I haven't seen Nunes getting much of any accolades this year.