[SkiBum80]

Amazing the twists a turns this thread has taken. I still stick to the title, that Saturday night was Shaw's and Muir's legacy. It was disgraceful Stanford football. The worst in nearly a generation, and that's on them. Yes, Shaw is the winningest coach in Stanford history, and got us to the Rose Bowl, but what he left is, well, pathetic. He wears that yoke. Muir too.

The nitpicking over the recruiting rankings from 18 years ago versus today is ridiculous. You all watched the talent on the field on Saturday. Seriously, is it better than what we saw during the 2000s? Methinks no, but I don't have the pedigree to judge players, especially recruits. 

I still have hope that TT can right the ship that Muir and Shaw put asunder. 

PSDs? Did they test positive at Stanford?

ACC? The last best (only) option for the non football sports. The Brothers Grimm relegated us to that last resort. It's their legacy, too.

My sizable respect for Coach Shaw took a serious hit, when on his way out the door, in his exit interview, he veered away from a straight talking football Coach, and became more like a politician, when he claimed he was leaving the program in great shape. That's when he lost me and I figured everything else he said was just gobbledygook and taken together, that and $5 buys you a latte at Starbucks.

[SkiBum80]

Amazing the twists a turns this thread has taken. I still stick to the title, that Saturday night was Shaw's and Muir's legacy. It was disgraceful Stanford football. The worst in nearly a generation, and that's on them. Yes, Shaw is the winningest coach in Stanford history, and got us to the Rose Bowl, but what he left is, well, pathetic. He wears that yoke. Muir too.

The nitpicking over the recruiting rankings from 18 years ago versus today is ridiculous. You all watched the talent on the field on Saturday. Seriously, is it better than what we saw during the 2000s? Methinks no, but I don't have the pedigree to judge players, especially recruits. 

I still have hope that TT can right the ship that Muir and Shaw put asunder. 

PSDs? Did they test positive at Stanford?

ACC? The last best (only) option for the non football sports. The Brothers Grimm relegated us to that last resort. It's their legacy, too.

My sizable respect for Coach Shaw took a serious hit, when on his way out the door, in his exit interview, he veered away from a straight talking football Coach, and became more like a politician, when he claimed he was leaving the program in great shape. That's when he lost me and I figured everything else he said was just gobbledygook and taken together, that and $5 buys you a latte at Starbucks.