[StanUSwagU]

To All: Remember if we become Dartmouth, BowdoinColllege, and Cornell, these following things/trends will eventually (over the downward spiral) be gone =

-A- Being high level in OlympicSports
-B- Having as many other Varsity Sports
-C- And therefore being a place where Top Flight Athletes (eg Andrew Luck, Christian McCaffery, KateStarbird, RichardSherman, BrevinKnight, BrookLopez, Katie Ledecky, etc ) ..would even consider wanting to come to Stanford.

With respect, I wonder about that. 

To your second point, Dartmouth has 34 varsity sports. Cornell has 36, Bowdoin has 33; and Harvard has 40, Princeton has 36. I don't think that will change if Stanford rejects NIL/portal and rightsizes football.

[[[ Hi Mick, good points, sorry I should have clarified ...here I meant 'Varsity sports that compete & Win Championships at the Highest Div1 level' ]]

To your first and third points...Yale and Harvard are historically in the top 10 for most Olympic medals by college, Princeton and Cornell are in the Top 20, Dartmouth & Columbia are in the Top 35. That said, I don't think it's a coincidence that the top four universities by medal count are in California (USC, Stanford, UCLA, UC Berkeley), LBSU and Irvine are in the top 40, and other CA-based universities have won medals (SJSU, SCU, UC-SB, SDSU, CSU-Northridge, UC-Davis, Pomona, even Saddleback). CalTech, of all universities have alumni that have medaled in long jump, javelin, 1500m, 400m and pole vault. I think Olympians like the year-round training, the natural beauty, and the overall appeal of California. Stanford embodies that.

[[[ Here, I think you actually have made the point I am trying to make better than me. Caltech does not attract nor produce/attract as many & a High a level of OlympicAthlete as Stanford (which Stanford with its larger D1 profile & competing in a D1 Power Conference) does; If we drop down our AthleticDept Profile to D2 or 'small conf D1' ...our Olympic Sports willl become like CalTechs Olympic sports, ...which is to say ..not as good. ]]]

If Stanford rightsizes football...and I think the odds are strong once the ACC contract is complete...Stanford still has a unique overall offering for smart, high-level Olympian high school grads. Whether Stanford football is FCS or FBS shouldn't impact the overall program, and I think very smart, very high-level athletes will still want to matriculate at Stanford.

[[[Good points, I think its a matter of degree. I think if Stanford were to 'right-size/downsize its aspiration in Football & Mens Basketball, we would indeed become like Cornell, Bowdoin College, and Dartmouth & CalTech ...yes those schools have 'Good Olympic sports and athletes, but not as good as Stanford & Cal...and I think we would have to assume part of those former schools not having the same Amount & Level of Elite Success at Olympic Sports is due to their not having a Football Program that is in a PowerConference, which would allow them to have their 'other sports be in a High P4 D1 conference).

I dont think any P4 conference is going to invite Stanford to participate & get the benefits of participating in its P4D1 Conference in other sports, if Stanford says 'We want all the benefits of being in your P4D1 Conference for all other sports, but we dont want to spend the money or effort to be in your P4 Football side' [If Stanford chooses to downsize in Football, it must accept becoming Dartmouth and CalTech in regards to its Athletic Dept & Sports]

The ACC invited NotreDame for this sweet deal of being Independent in Football, but having the benefits of All its other Sports being in the ACC, precisely because they saw NotreDame as a 'High Value Top15 Football Program' and that is why rather than 'Downsizing or Rightsizing for Football & Mens Basketball, I propose:

-Stanford must Adopt the 'Admissions/Transfers/NIL' criteria & culture of NotreDame, for Football
-Stanford must Adopt the 'Admissions/Transfers/NIL' criteria & culture of Duke, for Mens Basketball. ]]]

[StanUSwagU]

To All: Remember if we become Dartmouth, BowdoinColllege, and Cornell, these following things/trends will eventually (over the downward spiral) be gone =

-A- Being high level in OlympicSports
-B- Having as many other Varsity Sports
-C- And therefore being a place where Top Flight Athletes (eg Andrew Luck, Christian McCaffery, KateStarbird, RichardSherman, BrevinKnight, BrookLopez, Katie Ledecky, etc ) ..would even consider wanting to come to Stanford.

With respect, I wonder about that. 

To your second point, Dartmouth has 34 varsity sports. Cornell has 36, Bowdoin has 33; and Harvard has 40, Princeton has 36. I don't think that will change if Stanford rejects NIL/portal and rightsizes football.

[[[ Hi Mick, good points, sorry I should have clarified ...here I meant 'Varsity sports that compete & Win Championships at the Highest Div1 level' ]]

To your first and third points...Yale and Harvard are historically in the top 10 for most Olympic medals by college, Princeton and Cornell are in the Top 20, Dartmouth & Columbia are in the Top 35. That said, I don't think it's a coincidence that the top four universities by medal count are in California (USC, Stanford, UCLA, UC Berkeley), LBSU and Irvine are in the top 40, and other CA-based universities have won medals (SJSU, SCU, UC-SB, SDSU, CSU-Northridge, UC-Davis, Pomona, even Saddleback). CalTech, of all universities have alumni that have medaled in long jump, javelin, 1500m, 400m and pole vault. I think Olympians like the year-round training, the natural beauty, and the overall appeal of California. Stanford embodies that.

[[[ Here, I think you actually have made the point I am trying to make better than me. Caltech does not attract nor produce/attract as many & a High a level of OlympicAthlete as Stanford (which Stanford with its larger D1 profile & competing in a D1 Power Conference) does; If we drop down our AthleticDept Profile to D2 or 'small conf D1' ...our Olympic Sports willl become like CalTechs Olympic sports, ...which is to say ..not as good. ]]]

If Stanford rightsizes football...and I think the odds are strong once the ACC contract is complete...Stanford still has a unique overall offering for smart, high-level Olympian high school grads. Whether Stanford football is FCS or FBS shouldn't impact the overall program, and I think very smart, very high-level athletes will still want to matriculate at Stanford.

[[[Good points, I think its a matter of degree. I think if Stanford were to 'right-size/downsize its aspiration in Football & Mens Basketball, we would indeed become like Cornell, Bowdoin College, and Dartmouth & CalTech ...yes those schools have 'Good Olympic sports and athletes, but not as good as Stanford & Cal...and I think we would have to assume part of those former schools not having the same Amount & Level of Elite Success at Olympic Sports is due to their not having a Football Program that is in a PowerConference, which would allow them to have their 'other sports be in a High P4 D1 conference).

I dont think any P4 conference is going to invite Stanford to participate & get the benefits of participating in its P4D1 Conference in other sports, if Stanford says 'We want all the benefits of being in your P4D1 Conference for all other sports, but we dont want to spend the money or effort to be in your P4 Football side' [If Stanford chooses to downsize in Football, it must accept becoming Dartmouth and CalTech in regards to its Athletic Dept & Sports]

The ACC invited NotreDame for this sweet deal of being Independent in Football, but having the benefits of All its other Sports being in the ACC, precisely because they saw NotreDame as a 'High Value Top15 Football Program' and that is why rather than 'Downsizing or Rightsizing for Football & Mens Basketball, I propose:

-Stanford must Adopt the 'Admissions/Transfers/NIL' criteria & culture of NotreDame, for Football
-Stanford must Adopt the 'Admissions/Transfers/NIL' criteria & culture of Duke, for Mens Basketball. ]]]