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Just so you don't lose your bearings in this,  take time to go here. It's free although you do pay a price in another form:  http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=18&f=1717   and scroll down.  You don't have to click on the threads if you don't want.  Just check out the tone, the volume, the repetitive repeating of drums.

Then come back,  take a shower, or at least a deep breath,  and reflect on the level of discussion in this thread.  And say a little prayer that it remain ever thus.  You have seen Hell,  take care to preserve Heaven. 

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Just so you don't lose your bearings in this,  take time to go here. It's free although you do pay a price in another form:  http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=18&f=1717   and scroll down.  You don't have to click on the threads if you don't want.  Just check out the tone, the volume, the repetitive repeating of drums.

Then come back,  take a shower, or at least a deep breath,  and reflect on the level of discussion in this thread.  And say a little prayer that it remain ever thus.  You have seen Hell,  take care to preserve Heaven.