12-10-2015, 11:51 AM
So, ESPN has an article about QB competitions in the Pac 12 for next year, and notes in passing that, "Rosen and Falk likely will make more than a few preseason Voldemort Trophy lists."
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...ns-in-2016
The Rosen I saw, while possessing obvious potential, was certainly not approaching any kind of Voldemort level this past year. In fact, while I didn't watch him as much, Jake Browning at UW had perhaps better stats with a weaker set of weapons.
That got me thinking about how frosh QBs around the country fared this year. Here is a quick run down of the FBS true frosh QBs i could find. They are listed in order of their PER score.
Player   Team  Pass yds/gm PER Run yds/gm adj. QBR(score-rank)
Mangum*Â BYUÂ Â Â Â 255Â Â Â Â Â Â 142Â Â Â Â Â -8Â Â Â Â Â 66.1 - 46th
Browning  UW    243      139     0.5     58.8 - 62nd
Rypien   Boise    297      137     -5     56.4 - 67th
Litton  Marshall   239      134     2      49.6 - 90th
Rosen   UCLA    279      133     3      70.2 - 33rd
Jackson L-ville    147      125     67     67.0 - 42nd
Neal   Ball St    207      118     36     48.4 - 95th
* I have seen Mangum described as a true frosh, which seems odd as he was HS class of 2012. One would think he would have taken a two year mission then be a RS Frosh. I don't know just what his story is, but he is not quite in the same category as the rest here.
I think WIM would tell us that these not-spectacular numbers are par for true frosh QBs. [Last year's notable exception, Kaaya at Miami had 2014 PER=146, 2015 PER = 144]
I cannot really do an informed comparison of all these guys as the only one I watched a lot was Rosen, Browning a little.
I find it curious that ESPN's QBR, whatever exactly that really is, likes Rosen so much despite not really standing out in any of pass efficiency, pass yds, run yds. It would be interesting to note what in particular QBR liked about Rosen, presumably not that he throws a pretty ball.
It makes sense to me that Rosen may have the most potential of this group - if he had the best performance it was not by a lot.
The last two guys on the list seem to have the common frosh/athletic QB "run if you don't know what else to do" phenomenon going on, but none of the others seem to be notable runners. At least with Jackson it seems his pretty good QBR is due to his running ability compensating for lesser passing numbers.
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...ns-in-2016
The Rosen I saw, while possessing obvious potential, was certainly not approaching any kind of Voldemort level this past year. In fact, while I didn't watch him as much, Jake Browning at UW had perhaps better stats with a weaker set of weapons.
That got me thinking about how frosh QBs around the country fared this year. Here is a quick run down of the FBS true frosh QBs i could find. They are listed in order of their PER score.
Player   Team  Pass yds/gm PER Run yds/gm adj. QBR(score-rank)
Mangum*Â BYUÂ Â Â Â 255Â Â Â Â Â Â 142Â Â Â Â Â -8Â Â Â Â Â 66.1 - 46th
Browning  UW    243      139     0.5     58.8 - 62nd
Rypien   Boise    297      137     -5     56.4 - 67th
Litton  Marshall   239      134     2      49.6 - 90th
Rosen   UCLA    279      133     3      70.2 - 33rd
Jackson L-ville    147      125     67     67.0 - 42nd
Neal   Ball St    207      118     36     48.4 - 95th
* I have seen Mangum described as a true frosh, which seems odd as he was HS class of 2012. One would think he would have taken a two year mission then be a RS Frosh. I don't know just what his story is, but he is not quite in the same category as the rest here.
I think WIM would tell us that these not-spectacular numbers are par for true frosh QBs. [Last year's notable exception, Kaaya at Miami had 2014 PER=146, 2015 PER = 144]
I cannot really do an informed comparison of all these guys as the only one I watched a lot was Rosen, Browning a little.
I find it curious that ESPN's QBR, whatever exactly that really is, likes Rosen so much despite not really standing out in any of pass efficiency, pass yds, run yds. It would be interesting to note what in particular QBR liked about Rosen, presumably not that he throws a pretty ball.
It makes sense to me that Rosen may have the most potential of this group - if he had the best performance it was not by a lot.
The last two guys on the list seem to have the common frosh/athletic QB "run if you don't know what else to do" phenomenon going on, but none of the others seem to be notable runners. At least with Jackson it seems his pretty good QBR is due to his running ability compensating for lesser passing numbers.
