[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

I'm not too sure what your gripe is.  McCaffrey's rushing stats in his bowl game paled in comparison to the two RBs who got the nod, but his all-purpose exploits were rightly recognized.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

I'm not too sure what your gripe is.  McCaffrey's rushing stats in his bowl game paled in comparison to the two RBs who got the nod, but his all-purpose exploits were rightly recognized.

[terry]

I'm not too sure what your gripe is.  McCaffrey's rushing stats in his bowl game paled in comparison to the two RBs who got the nod, but his all-purpose exploits were rightly recognized.

Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back.

[terry]

I'm not too sure what your gripe is.  McCaffrey's rushing stats in his bowl game paled in comparison to the two RBs who got the nod, but his all-purpose exploits were rightly recognized.

Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back.

[Rally]

I'm not too sure what your gripe is.  McCaffrey's rushing stats in his bowl game paled in comparison to the two RBs who got the nod, but his all-purpose exploits were rightly recognized.

Are you addressing me?  The AA lists I was referring to are NOT "best bowl performance " lists, but presumably for the season.  Do you care to list 6 running backs from the just-ended season better than McCaffrey?  And if you want, feel free to disregard receiving yards, even tho running backs are usually expected to catch a ball now and then.  Or, as Terry rightly says, "
Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back." If you are not addressing me, then all right then.

EDIT TO ADD. Okay, I see now the original thread regarded all bowl team.  So, forget about dissing receiving yards.  Running backs are expected to do three things, four if you're McCaffrey:  run, catch, block, and throw a pass now and then.  Go ahead, defend your guys.

Start with only rushing yards.  Henry, 158 on 36 carries; McCaffrey 172 on 18 carries.  Your turn.

[Rally]

I'm not too sure what your gripe is.  McCaffrey's rushing stats in his bowl game paled in comparison to the two RBs who got the nod, but his all-purpose exploits were rightly recognized.

Are you addressing me?  The AA lists I was referring to are NOT "best bowl performance " lists, but presumably for the season.  Do you care to list 6 running backs from the just-ended season better than McCaffrey?  And if you want, feel free to disregard receiving yards, even tho running backs are usually expected to catch a ball now and then.  Or, as Terry rightly says, "
Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back." If you are not addressing me, then all right then.

EDIT TO ADD. Okay, I see now the original thread regarded all bowl team.  So, forget about dissing receiving yards.  Running backs are expected to do three things, four if you're McCaffrey:  run, catch, block, and throw a pass now and then.  Go ahead, defend your guys.

Start with only rushing yards.  Henry, 158 on 36 carries; McCaffrey 172 on 18 carries.  Your turn.

[BostonCard]

First of all, I think some of this is, in fact, a desire to "spread the wealth".  Keep in mind that this particular list had a separate award for "return specialist", so McCaffrey's "All Purpose" award reflects his versatility (running, receiving, and returning).  Looking at the yards from scrimmage (rushing and receiving yards from the running back position), McCaffrey had 172 yards rushing, 105 yards receiving and 1 TD (receiving).  Jefferson had 299 yards rushing and 3 touchdowns.  Fournette had 212 yards rushing and 44 yards receiving and 5 touchdowns (4 rushing and 1 receiving).

Taking off my cardinal colored glasses, I think it is totally reasonable that Jefferson and Fournette were picked for the all-Bowl game running backs, and McCaffrey, who also had a great day returning the football, was picked for all-purpose.

Move along folks, there is nothing to see here.  Instead of looking for ways our guys are slighted, we ought to be celebrating his phenomenal performance and be gratified that he earned recognition for it, whilst remembering that what ESPN publishes in a blog post to drive traffic is utterly meaningless.

BC

[BostonCard]

First of all, I think some of this is, in fact, a desire to "spread the wealth".  Keep in mind that this particular list had a separate award for "return specialist", so McCaffrey's "All Purpose" award reflects his versatility (running, receiving, and returning).  Looking at the yards from scrimmage (rushing and receiving yards from the running back position), McCaffrey had 172 yards rushing, 105 yards receiving and 1 TD (receiving).  Jefferson had 299 yards rushing and 3 touchdowns.  Fournette had 212 yards rushing and 44 yards receiving and 5 touchdowns (4 rushing and 1 receiving).

Taking off my cardinal colored glasses, I think it is totally reasonable that Jefferson and Fournette were picked for the all-Bowl game running backs, and McCaffrey, who also had a great day returning the football, was picked for all-purpose.

Move along folks, there is nothing to see here.  Instead of looking for ways our guys are slighted, we ought to be celebrating his phenomenal performance and be gratified that he earned recognition for it, whilst remembering that what ESPN publishes in a blog post to drive traffic is utterly meaningless.

BC

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back.

You're right, receiving is also part of a back's duties.  However, being a consistent 100-yard receiving threat is atypical of a RB, which is why McCaffrey is rightly regarded as an all-purpose player.  It is a compliment to him, and I can't figure out why some here are regarding it as some sort of slight.

EDIT TO ADD. Okay, I see now the original thread regarded all bowl team.  So, forget about dissing receiving yards.  Running backs are expected to do three things, four if you're McCaffrey:  run, catch, block, and throw a pass now and then.  Go ahead, defend your guys.

Start with only rushing yards.  Henry, 158 on 36 carries; McCaffrey 172 on 18 carries.  Your turn.

Who am I defending?  I'm simply pointing out what I thought to be fairly obvious.  McCaffrey had an historic game, but his damage was spread over multiple facets of the game.  In the Rose Bowl, he was the very definition of an all-purpose player.

By the way, Derrick Henry was not picked.  If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB.

First of all, I think some of this is, in fact, a desire to "spread the wealth".  Keep in mind that this particular list had a separate award for "return specialist", so McCaffrey's "All Purpose" award reflects his versatility (running, receiving, and returning).  Looking at the yards from scrimmage (rushing and receiving yards from the running back position), McCaffrey had 172 yards rushing, 105 yards receiving and 1 TD (receiving).  Jefferson had 299 yards rushing and 3 touchdowns.  Fournette had 212 yards rushing and 44 yards receiving and 5 touchdowns (4 rushing and 1 receiving).

Taking off my cardinal colored glasses, I think it is totally reasonable that Jefferson and Fournette were picked for the all-Bowl game running backs, and McCaffrey, who also had a great day returning the football, was picked for all-purpose.

Move along folks, there is nothing to see here.  Instead of looking for ways our guys are slighted, we ought to be celebrating his phenomenal performance and be gratified that he earned recognition for it, whilst remembering that what ESPN publishes in a blog post to drive traffic is utterly meaningless.

BC

Thanks BC, this was my point.  I can't believe we've reached the point where we're complaining not about our guys being snubbed, but that the praise they are getting by national media outlets just isn't quite the right kind.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back.

You're right, receiving is also part of a back's duties.  However, being a consistent 100-yard receiving threat is atypical of a RB, which is why McCaffrey is rightly regarded as an all-purpose player.  It is a compliment to him, and I can't figure out why some here are regarding it as some sort of slight.

EDIT TO ADD. Okay, I see now the original thread regarded all bowl team.  So, forget about dissing receiving yards.  Running backs are expected to do three things, four if you're McCaffrey:  run, catch, block, and throw a pass now and then.  Go ahead, defend your guys.

Start with only rushing yards.  Henry, 158 on 36 carries; McCaffrey 172 on 18 carries.  Your turn.

Who am I defending?  I'm simply pointing out what I thought to be fairly obvious.  McCaffrey had an historic game, but his damage was spread over multiple facets of the game.  In the Rose Bowl, he was the very definition of an all-purpose player.

By the way, Derrick Henry was not picked.  If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB.

First of all, I think some of this is, in fact, a desire to "spread the wealth".  Keep in mind that this particular list had a separate award for "return specialist", so McCaffrey's "All Purpose" award reflects his versatility (running, receiving, and returning).  Looking at the yards from scrimmage (rushing and receiving yards from the running back position), McCaffrey had 172 yards rushing, 105 yards receiving and 1 TD (receiving).  Jefferson had 299 yards rushing and 3 touchdowns.  Fournette had 212 yards rushing and 44 yards receiving and 5 touchdowns (4 rushing and 1 receiving).

Taking off my cardinal colored glasses, I think it is totally reasonable that Jefferson and Fournette were picked for the all-Bowl game running backs, and McCaffrey, who also had a great day returning the football, was picked for all-purpose.

Move along folks, there is nothing to see here.  Instead of looking for ways our guys are slighted, we ought to be celebrating his phenomenal performance and be gratified that he earned recognition for it, whilst remembering that what ESPN publishes in a blog post to drive traffic is utterly meaningless.

BC

Thanks BC, this was my point.  I can't believe we've reached the point where we're complaining not about our guys being snubbed, but that the praise they are getting by national media outlets just isn't quite the right kind.

[CowboyIndian]

Sorry, but this is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.

Somewhere...Jordan Najvar is applauding.

[CowboyIndian]

Sorry, but this is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.

Somewhere...Jordan Najvar is applauding.

[Rally]

POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

[Rally]

POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

So your issue is not that he was recognized as an AP player as opposed to an RB, but that he should have been recognized as both?

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

So your issue is not that he was recognized as an AP player as opposed to an RB, but that he should have been recognized as both?

[Rally]

[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14401.msg153088#msg153088 date=1452920721]
POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

So your issue is not that he was recognized as an AP player as opposed to an RB, but that he should have been recognized as both?
[/quote]

Exactly.

[Rally]

[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14401.msg153088#msg153088 date=1452920721]
POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

So your issue is not that he was recognized as an AP player as opposed to an RB, but that he should have been recognized as both?
[/quote]

Exactly.

[BostonCard]

POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

Fournette had 4 more touchdowns out of the backfield than McCaffrey.  On the balance, I am hardly going to raise a stink about player A (212 yards, 4 TDs rushing on 29 carries; 44 yards, 1 TD receiving on 1 catch) getting the nod over player B (172 yards, 0 TD rushing on 18 carries; 105 yards, 1 TD receiving on 4 receptions).  This is close enough that which player had a better game depends on the relative value you give rushing versus receiving for a running back, how much more value you give total yards versus touchdowns, and whether you are more impressed by a running back who can be handed the ball 29 times versus one that gets nearly 10 yards per carry.

Seriously, at this point you guys are tilting at windmills.  They both had phenomenal performances, and both got recognized for it.  Hardly a snub here.

BC

[BostonCard]

POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

Fournette had 4 more touchdowns out of the backfield than McCaffrey.  On the balance, I am hardly going to raise a stink about player A (212 yards, 4 TDs rushing on 29 carries; 44 yards, 1 TD receiving on 1 catch) getting the nod over player B (172 yards, 0 TD rushing on 18 carries; 105 yards, 1 TD receiving on 4 receptions).  This is close enough that which player had a better game depends on the relative value you give rushing versus receiving for a running back, how much more value you give total yards versus touchdowns, and whether you are more impressed by a running back who can be handed the ball 29 times versus one that gets nearly 10 yards per carry.

Seriously, at this point you guys are tilting at windmills.  They both had phenomenal performances, and both got recognized for it.  Hardly a snub here.

BC

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

[quote author=ThePOC link=topic=14401.msg153093#msg153093 date=1452921386]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14401.msg153088#msg153088 date=1452920721]
POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

So your issue is not that he was recognized as an AP player as opposed to an RB, but that he should have been recognized as both?
[/quote]

Exactly.
[/quote]

I see.  I'm not sure whether they do that or not.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

[quote author=ThePOC link=topic=14401.msg153093#msg153093 date=1452921386]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14401.msg153088#msg153088 date=1452920721]
POC, "If you clicked the link in the OP, the two backs were Johnny Jefferson of Baylor (299 yards, 3 TD) and Leonard Fournette of LSU (212 yards, 4 TD).  Jefferson and Fournette had phenomenal games rushing.  McCaffrey had a good game rushing, but also had a good game receiving and a great game returning.  All told, he had a tremendous game, but he was not nearly as good rushing as the other two -- which is the key duty of a RB."

I respectfully disagree.  Catching the ball out of the backkfield is equally as important and running between the tackles.  McCaffrey had 50 yards more than Fournette.  My complaint is exactly that he is being snubbed.  Yes, best AP player, but also one of the two best running backs.  Unless you're in favor or participation trophies you have to award the best player, however positions that might be.

So your issue is not that he was recognized as an AP player as opposed to an RB, but that he should have been recognized as both?
[/quote]

Exactly.
[/quote]

I see.  I'm not sure whether they do that or not.

[CompSci87]

[quote author=ColoradoTree link=topic=14401.msg152943#msg152943 date=1452874811]
Sorry, but this is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.

Somewhere...Jordan Najvar is applauding.
[/quote]

I finally got annoyed enough to edit the title of the first post in the thread so at least it shows up on the index page with the right spelling.  >:(

[CompSci87]

[quote author=ColoradoTree link=topic=14401.msg152943#msg152943 date=1452874811]
Sorry, but this is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.

Somewhere...Jordan Najvar is applauding.
[/quote]

I finally got annoyed enough to edit the title of the first post in the thread so at least it shows up on the index page with the right spelling.  >:(

[JJJ]

[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=14401.msg153048#msg153048 date=1452909846]
[quote author=ColoradoTree link=topic=14401.msg152943#msg152943 date=1452874811]
Sorry, but this is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.

Somewhere...Jordan Najvar is applauding.
[/quote]

I finally got annoyed enough to edit the title of the first post in the thread so at least it shows up on the index page with the right spelling.  >:(
[/quote]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.  8)

[JJJ]

[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=14401.msg153048#msg153048 date=1452909846]
[quote author=ColoradoTree link=topic=14401.msg152943#msg152943 date=1452874811]
Sorry, but this is like nails on a chalkboard to me.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.  McCaffrey.

Somewhere...Jordan Najvar is applauding.
[/quote]

I finally got annoyed enough to edit the title of the first post in the thread so at least it shows up on the index page with the right spelling.  >:(
[/quote]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.  8)

[BostonCard]

Might have been fun to add a [sic] to it instead.

BC

[BostonCard]

Might have been fun to add a [sic] to it instead.

BC

[FarmBoy]

I started this thread mostly as a tongue-in-cheek joke. Although throughout the award season I was annoyed by the tendency to put McCaffrey as the all-purpose rather than running back. The one point I would make in support of McCaffrey's bowl performanceis that he played against a supposd top run defense. I'm not sure how strong a defense Texas Tech has.

In the end this list is just a silly filler piece on the ESPN blog. However it is a continuing trend that I do think will carry into next season's view of McCaffrey and will continue to hurt him in the eyes of some Awards voters.

And for those of you concerned, I had my wife give me 20 lashes for misspelling McCaffrey's name. Please continue to focus on grammar and spelling so that I can make sure I receive my punishments.

[FarmBoy]

I started this thread mostly as a tongue-in-cheek joke. Although throughout the award season I was annoyed by the tendency to put McCaffrey as the all-purpose rather than running back. The one point I would make in support of McCaffrey's bowl performanceis that he played against a supposd top run defense. I'm not sure how strong a defense Texas Tech has.

In the end this list is just a silly filler piece on the ESPN blog. However it is a continuing trend that I do think will carry into next season's view of McCaffrey and will continue to hurt him in the eyes of some Awards voters.

And for those of you concerned, I had my wife give me 20 lashes for misspelling McCaffrey's name. Please continue to focus on grammar and spelling so that I can make sure I receive my punishments.

[Mick]

"He plays high-speed chess with the defense .  .  .  ."

Oasis, that is poetry.  Well done.

Comparisons to Amadeus and Robert E. Lee in terms of cosmic exceptionalism is not over the top. 

MacKaphrey is an artiste!

McCaffrey explaining music to the F. Stanford voters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5h1oxAvc6A

[Mick]

"He plays high-speed chess with the defense .  .  .  ."

Oasis, that is poetry.  Well done.

Comparisons to Amadeus and Robert E. Lee in terms of cosmic exceptionalism is not over the top. 

MacKaphrey is an artiste!

McCaffrey explaining music to the F. Stanford voters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5h1oxAvc6A

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Although throughout the award season I was annoyed by the tendency to put McCaffrey as the all-purpose rather than running back.

I guess I'm just not sure why this would annoy anyone.

[ThePassionOfTheChryst]

Although throughout the award season I was annoyed by the tendency to put McCaffrey as the all-purpose rather than running back.

I guess I'm just not sure why this would annoy anyone.

[doublespiral]

I'm not sure how strong a defense Texas Tech has.

Not to add fuel to the fire, or say that Fournette is not deserving of recognition because he had a great game, but Texas Tech's defense is objectively horrendous - 126th out of 127 based on this ranking:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/c...team/22/p3

To win this season, Mahomes and crew needed to score essentially every time they touched the ball. Opposing offenses tended to operate like the proverbial hot knife through butter.

The counter to this is Iowa was ranked 22nd at season's end - and they were likely knocked down a few rungs by the punishment doled out by the Cardinal.

McCaffrey will be front-and-center on everyone's radar next year. There are a handful of guys with buzz - and there will likely be newcomers to burst upon the scene as well. Should be an exciting season.

[doublespiral]

I'm not sure how strong a defense Texas Tech has.

Not to add fuel to the fire, or say that Fournette is not deserving of recognition because he had a great game, but Texas Tech's defense is objectively horrendous - 126th out of 127 based on this ranking:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/c...team/22/p3

To win this season, Mahomes and crew needed to score essentially every time they touched the ball. Opposing offenses tended to operate like the proverbial hot knife through butter.

The counter to this is Iowa was ranked 22nd at season's end - and they were likely knocked down a few rungs by the punishment doled out by the Cardinal.

McCaffrey will be front-and-center on everyone's radar next year. There are a handful of guys with buzz - and there will likely be newcomers to burst upon the scene as well. Should be an exciting season.

[FarmBoy]

.  I guess I'm just not sure why this would annoy anyone.

Because I'd like to see Christian win the Doak and Voldemort awards.

[FarmBoy]

.  I guess I'm just not sure why this would annoy anyone.

Because I'd like to see Christian win the Doak and Voldemort awards.

[Mick]

[quote author=terry link=topic=14401.msg153032#msg153032 date=1452901966]Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back.

You're right, receiving is also part of a back's duties.  However, being a consistent 100-yard receiving threat is atypical of a RB, which is why McCaffrey is rightly regarded as an all-purpose player.  It is a compliment to him, and I can't figure out why some here are regarding it as some sort of slight.

[/quote]

POC, great to have you visiting from 1953.  Your statement is not only incorrect, it's incorrect across the board in that backward league, the NFL.  Here's a team-by-team look:

Larry Centers, Arizona, 101 receptions took him to his first All-Pro season.
William Andrews, Atlanta, 81 receptions his best season, led league in yards from scrimmage.  Jersey retired from Falcons.  According to you, perhaps they should un-retire it.
Ray Rice, Baltimore.  Second in history for rushing and carries for his career, has 174 receptions, good for 7th in team history and right behind him is Jamal Lewis with 160 career receptions.  Man, those Super Bowl-winning Ravens don't know anything about football do they?
Thurman Thomas, Buffalo, five straight Pro Bowls, all decade team and 456 receptions (281 more than #2 OJ Simpson)
DeShaun Foster, Carolina, in a career limited by injuries he had two strong rushing seasons (total yards, 1,773, but caught 57 passes)
Walter Payton, Chicago, probably the athlete most like McCaffrey.  Led NFL with 31.7 yards per kickoff, made five all pro teams.  Like McCaffrey, he threw for TDs, 8 of his 11 completions went for TDs.  He had 492 receptions, the most ever in the history of the Bears.  Perhaps he should have his receiving records removed, after all, he was a running back.
Greg Pruitt, Cleveland, was a return specialist initially, then went to the pro bowl twice as an RB.  He caught 65, 50 and 35 passes as an RB.  He caught 323 passes as a Brown, including 18TDs.  Perhaps those should have been disallowed.  Even Jim Brown caught 262 passes...he had a higher percentage of his pass receptions as TDs than as a running back.
James Brooks, Cincinnati, also return specialist for three years, ran for 929 yards for the Bengals in 1985 and caught 56 passes, then repeated the feat in 1986.
Emmitt Smith, Dallas, runner extraordinaire, six consecutive Pro Bowls, but unfortunately, he doesn't fit your definition as an RB.  He caught 62 balls in 1995 and had 486 receptions as a cowboy, 107 more than that other fake RB, Tony Dorsett.
Floyd Little, Denver, very similar to McCaffrey, averaging 27 yards on kickoff returns and 17 yards on punt returns as a rookie, then went to the Pro Bowl for four years in a row.  Little caught 41 balls in 1973, his best season, and was the all-time rushing leader for the Broncos until Terrell Davis passed him up.
James Jones, Detroit Lions, 285 receptions in six years in Detroit, second to Barry Sanders who had 352.
Ahman Green, Green Bay Packers, had four Pro Bowl years.  No player gained more all-purpose yards in five years, during hte five years that Green caught 267 passes.  His career 350 passes with the Packers is the seventh most in team history.  William Henderson, RB, is right behind him with 320 catches.  Man, those Green Bay coaches know nothing about how to use RBs.
Domanick Williams of the Texans ran for 1,031 yards and caught 47 balls as a rookie, then ran for 1,188 yards and caught 68 receptions the next season.
Don McCauley of the Colts was a third down receiver who caught 333 receptions, Edgerrin James caught 356, Lenny Moore caught 363, Marshall Faulk caught 1,107 (no misprint), and Lydell Mitchell caught 376 passes, leading the league in receptions twice.  Colts don't know football, apparently.
Fred Taylor, Jaguars, 1,400 yards and 36 receptions his second year, caught 286 balls, third most in team history, 51 more than Maurice JOnes-Drew.
Kimble Anders, Chiefs made the Pro Bowl twice.  Has 369 receptions (sixth most in team history).
Tony Nathan, Miami Dolphins led the NFL with 5.3 yards per carry in 1981 with a 5.3 average, but caught 50 passes.  Shame, shame.  Nathan had 383 career receptions, sixth most in team history, 162 more than Jim Kiick.
Rickey Young of the Vikings was a 7th round pick who shared a backfield with Chuck Foreman.  He caught 88 passes in 1978 and 72 in 1979.  Young had 292 catches in just six years, Foreman had 287 and a little non-slouch RB from Stanford named Darrin Nelson had 226 in his career with the Vikings and another 60 with the Chargers.
Kevin Faulk, Patriots, caught 30 passes in 2001, New England's super Bowl win XXXVI.  He ran  for 638 yards and caught 48 passes.  In his career, he caught 424 passes with a high of 58 in 2008.  He's a member of the Patriots 50th anniversary team.

[Mick]

[quote author=terry link=topic=14401.msg153032#msg153032 date=1452901966]Why should we look only at rushing stats to evaluate running backs? Catching the ball also is part of being a running back.

You're right, receiving is also part of a back's duties.  However, being a consistent 100-yard receiving threat is atypical of a RB, which is why McCaffrey is rightly regarded as an all-purpose player.  It is a compliment to him, and I can't figure out why some here are regarding it as some sort of slight.

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POC, great to have you visiting from 1953.  Your statement is not only incorrect, it's incorrect across the board in that backward league, the NFL.  Here's a team-by-team look:

Larry Centers, Arizona, 101 receptions took him to his first All-Pro season.
William Andrews, Atlanta, 81 receptions his best season, led league in yards from scrimmage.  Jersey retired from Falcons.  According to you, perhaps they should un-retire it.
Ray Rice, Baltimore.  Second in history for rushing and carries for his career, has 174 receptions, good for 7th in team history and right behind him is Jamal Lewis with 160 career receptions.  Man, those Super Bowl-winning Ravens don't know anything about football do they?
Thurman Thomas, Buffalo, five straight Pro Bowls, all decade team and 456 receptions (281 more than #2 OJ Simpson)
DeShaun Foster, Carolina, in a career limited by injuries he had two strong rushing seasons (total yards, 1,773, but caught 57 passes)
Walter Payton, Chicago, probably the athlete most like McCaffrey.  Led NFL with 31.7 yards per kickoff, made five all pro teams.  Like McCaffrey, he threw for TDs, 8 of his 11 completions went for TDs.  He had 492 receptions, the most ever in the history of the Bears.  Perhaps he should have his receiving records removed, after all, he was a running back.
Greg Pruitt, Cleveland, was a return specialist initially, then went to the pro bowl twice as an RB.  He caught 65, 50 and 35 passes as an RB.  He caught 323 passes as a Brown, including 18TDs.  Perhaps those should have been disallowed.  Even Jim Brown caught 262 passes...he had a higher percentage of his pass receptions as TDs than as a running back.
James Brooks, Cincinnati, also return specialist for three years, ran for 929 yards for the Bengals in 1985 and caught 56 passes, then repeated the feat in 1986.
Emmitt Smith, Dallas, runner extraordinaire, six consecutive Pro Bowls, but unfortunately, he doesn't fit your definition as an RB.  He caught 62 balls in 1995 and had 486 receptions as a cowboy, 107 more than that other fake RB, Tony Dorsett.
Floyd Little, Denver, very similar to McCaffrey, averaging 27 yards on kickoff returns and 17 yards on punt returns as a rookie, then went to the Pro Bowl for four years in a row.  Little caught 41 balls in 1973, his best season, and was the all-time rushing leader for the Broncos until Terrell Davis passed him up.
James Jones, Detroit Lions, 285 receptions in six years in Detroit, second to Barry Sanders who had 352.
Ahman Green, Green Bay Packers, had four Pro Bowl years.  No player gained more all-purpose yards in five years, during hte five years that Green caught 267 passes.  His career 350 passes with the Packers is the seventh most in team history.  William Henderson, RB, is right behind him with 320 catches.  Man, those Green Bay coaches know nothing about how to use RBs.
Domanick Williams of the Texans ran for 1,031 yards and caught 47 balls as a rookie, then ran for 1,188 yards and caught 68 receptions the next season.
Don McCauley of the Colts was a third down receiver who caught 333 receptions, Edgerrin James caught 356, Lenny Moore caught 363, Marshall Faulk caught 1,107 (no misprint), and Lydell Mitchell caught 376 passes, leading the league in receptions twice.  Colts don't know football, apparently.
Fred Taylor, Jaguars, 1,400 yards and 36 receptions his second year, caught 286 balls, third most in team history, 51 more than Maurice JOnes-Drew.
Kimble Anders, Chiefs made the Pro Bowl twice.  Has 369 receptions (sixth most in team history).
Tony Nathan, Miami Dolphins led the NFL with 5.3 yards per carry in 1981 with a 5.3 average, but caught 50 passes.  Shame, shame.  Nathan had 383 career receptions, sixth most in team history, 162 more than Jim Kiick.
Rickey Young of the Vikings was a 7th round pick who shared a backfield with Chuck Foreman.  He caught 88 passes in 1978 and 72 in 1979.  Young had 292 catches in just six years, Foreman had 287 and a little non-slouch RB from Stanford named Darrin Nelson had 226 in his career with the Vikings and another 60 with the Chargers.
Kevin Faulk, Patriots, caught 30 passes in 2001, New England's super Bowl win XXXVI.  He ran  for 638 yards and caught 48 passes.  In his career, he caught 424 passes with a high of 58 in 2008.  He's a member of the Patriots 50th anniversary team.