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The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn
The Demetris Robertson saga takes another interesting turn
02-18-2016, 11:15 AM
Man, it would appear that we are getting deeper and deeper into their collective heads. :D
The writer references the results of the last five years and describes the sweep by the home team in that series as the "status quo". He goes on to skip the implications of the game later this year apparently just assuming another home team win. So the focus, he says, is for Noter Dame to win in 2017 in Palo Alto to presumably break our will. Two or three losses in a row for Stanford in this series could start to unwind our recent momentum and lead to us returning to mediocrity.
That's baloney. But if they believe it, let's open up a can of industrial grade whup-ass next Fall and break their spirit. Then we can win all recruiting competitions with them henceforth. I guess.
As an aside, is the writer a junior in high school? Just guessing.
The writer references the results of the last five years and describes the sweep by the home team in that series as the "status quo". He goes on to skip the implications of the game later this year apparently just assuming another home team win. So the focus, he says, is for Noter Dame to win in 2017 in Palo Alto to presumably break our will. Two or three losses in a row for Stanford in this series could start to unwind our recent momentum and lead to us returning to mediocrity.
That's baloney. But if they believe it, let's open up a can of industrial grade whup-ass next Fall and break their spirit. Then we can win all recruiting competitions with them henceforth. I guess.
As an aside, is the writer a junior in high school? Just guessing.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
Man, it would appear that we are getting deeper and deeper into their collective heads. :D
The writer references the results of the last five years and describes the sweep by the home team in that series as the "status quo". He goes on to skip the implications of the game later this year apparently just assuming another home team win. So the focus, he says, is for Noter Dame to win in 2017 in Palo Alto to presumably break our will. Two or three losses in a row for Stanford in this series could start to unwind our recent momentum and lead to us returning to mediocrity.
That's baloney. But if they believe it, let's open up a can of industrial grade whup-ass next Fall and break their spirit. Then we can win all recruiting competitions with them henceforth. I guess.
As an aside, is the writer a junior in high school? Just guessing.
The writer references the results of the last five years and describes the sweep by the home team in that series as the "status quo". He goes on to skip the implications of the game later this year apparently just assuming another home team win. So the focus, he says, is for Noter Dame to win in 2017 in Palo Alto to presumably break our will. Two or three losses in a row for Stanford in this series could start to unwind our recent momentum and lead to us returning to mediocrity.
That's baloney. But if they believe it, let's open up a can of industrial grade whup-ass next Fall and break their spirit. Then we can win all recruiting competitions with them henceforth. I guess.
As an aside, is the writer a junior in high school? Just guessing.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
02-18-2016, 02:48 PM
I thought the more interesting parts were:
1. The supposed knowledge this writer has that Robertson didn't get the score he needed for Stanford
2. That he's reporting Robertson appears ready to put off committing anywhere so he can take the test again
3. That the reporter is repeating a rumor that Stanford might admit Robertson even without this magical score because of how hard he is working to get admitted
1. The supposed knowledge this writer has that Robertson didn't get the score he needed for Stanford
2. That he's reporting Robertson appears ready to put off committing anywhere so he can take the test again
3. That the reporter is repeating a rumor that Stanford might admit Robertson even without this magical score because of how hard he is working to get admitted
I thought the more interesting parts were:
1. The supposed knowledge this writer has that Robertson didn't get the score he needed for Stanford
2. That he's reporting Robertson appears ready to put off committing anywhere so he can take the test again
3. That the reporter is repeating a rumor that Stanford might admit Robertson even without this magical score because of how hard he is working to get admitted
1. The supposed knowledge this writer has that Robertson didn't get the score he needed for Stanford
2. That he's reporting Robertson appears ready to put off committing anywhere so he can take the test again
3. That the reporter is repeating a rumor that Stanford might admit Robertson even without this magical score because of how hard he is working to get admitted
02-18-2016, 03:34 PM
For how long will Stanford allow this saga to go on? The standard application deadline was January 3, which I can imagine might be waived on occasion for athletes and maybe even non-athletes. But the normal student reply date for admitted undergrads is May 1. I wonder how often that is waived for athletes who are weighing their options or waiting to be admitted?
I'm not claiming any knowledge re: the Demetris Robertson situation, I'm just curious as to what the limits are.
I'm not claiming any knowledge re: the Demetris Robertson situation, I'm just curious as to what the limits are.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
For how long will Stanford allow this saga to go on? The standard application deadline was January 3, which I can imagine might be waived on occasion for athletes and maybe even non-athletes. But the normal student reply date for admitted undergrads is May 1. I wonder how often that is waived for athletes who are weighing their options or waiting to be admitted?
I'm not claiming any knowledge re: the Demetris Robertson situation, I'm just curious as to what the limits are.
I'm not claiming any knowledge re: the Demetris Robertson situation, I'm just curious as to what the limits are.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
02-18-2016, 03:55 PM
I selfishly hope he is able to pursue his dream. let's keep our fingers crossed for the kid.
02-18-2016, 04:27 PM
I have no knowledge either, but if he does get admitted it seems like a redshirt might be the best option, regardless of how talented he is, to make the academic transition easier. I dont know how much easier it would make things, and dont know if he'd view a redshirt as a negative, but if we admit him we need to do what we can to help him succeed academically. And if I'm the football program, I dont want admissions to get a bad result if they go the extra yard on this one. Certainly respect his determination....a lot.
I have no knowledge either, but if he does get admitted it seems like a redshirt might be the best option, regardless of how talented he is, to make the academic transition easier. I dont know how much easier it would make things, and dont know if he'd view a redshirt as a negative, but if we admit him we need to do what we can to help him succeed academically. And if I'm the football program, I dont want admissions to get a bad result if they go the extra yard on this one. Certainly respect his determination....a lot.
02-18-2016, 06:17 PM
(02-18-2016, 04:27 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:I have no knowledge either, but if he does get admitted it seems like a redshirt might be the best option, regardless of how talented he is, to make the academic transition easier.
Is life really much easier for redshirts than for guys who are playing? The redshirts have to go through the same practices, the same weight-lifting and conditioning, the same meetings. I'm not sure that keeping a guy on the bench on Saturdays will help him cope with academics.
(02-18-2016, 04:27 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:I have no knowledge either, but if he does get admitted it seems like a redshirt might be the best option, regardless of how talented he is, to make the academic transition easier.
Is life really much easier for redshirts than for guys who are playing? The redshirts have to go through the same practices, the same weight-lifting and conditioning, the same meetings. I'm not sure that keeping a guy on the bench on Saturdays will help him cope with academics.
02-18-2016, 06:24 PM
I echo what some others have said in other threads about him, that wherever he ends up, I wish him the best. His perseverance is admirable. He knows what he wants and is doing whatever he can to make it a reality. Good luck Demetris, hope to see you in cardinal and white.
I echo what some others have said in other threads about him, that wherever he ends up, I wish him the best. His perseverance is admirable. He knows what he wants and is doing whatever he can to make it a reality. Good luck Demetris, hope to see you in cardinal and white.
02-18-2016, 08:30 PM
(02-18-2016, 06:17 PM)terry link Wrote:[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=14620.msg156792#msg156792 date=1455838050]
I have no knowledge either, but if he does get admitted it seems like a redshirt might be the best option, regardless of how talented he is, to make the academic transition easier.
Is life really much easier for redshirts than for guys who are playing? The redshirts have to go through the same practices, the same weight-lifting and conditioning, the same meetings. I'm not sure that keeping a guy on the bench on Saturdays will help him cope with academics.
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I don't know the answer. Do redshirts travel on road trips? I seem to recall Kaumatule in pads for home games, but don't remember for road games.
(02-18-2016, 06:17 PM)terry link Wrote:[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=14620.msg156792#msg156792 date=1455838050]
I have no knowledge either, but if he does get admitted it seems like a redshirt might be the best option, regardless of how talented he is, to make the academic transition easier.
Is life really much easier for redshirts than for guys who are playing? The redshirts have to go through the same practices, the same weight-lifting and conditioning, the same meetings. I'm not sure that keeping a guy on the bench on Saturdays will help him cope with academics.
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I don't know the answer. Do redshirts travel on road trips? I seem to recall Kaumatule in pads for home games, but don't remember for road games.
02-18-2016, 08:52 PM
The guy is a player. He will probably be in the NFL after 3-4 years of college ball. He isn't coming to Stanford to redshirt. He is coming because he wants the best of both worlds, top notch football and academics. If he redshirts, he is missing out on the top notch college football part. His desire and efforts to attend Stanford are admirable, but let's not kid ourselves that he would come at the expense of being able to play football next year.
The guy is a player. He will probably be in the NFL after 3-4 years of college ball. He isn't coming to Stanford to redshirt. He is coming because he wants the best of both worlds, top notch football and academics. If he redshirts, he is missing out on the top notch college football part. His desire and efforts to attend Stanford are admirable, but let's not kid ourselves that he would come at the expense of being able to play football next year.
02-18-2016, 10:22 PM
Well, pretty much everything he writes he qualifies as a rumor, and I don't know his track record for reliability so who knows what to make of this article. I certainly hope Demetris finds his way to Stanford, if that is truly what he wants. But if he doesn't, he has still earned the utmost respect from Stanford fans, just due to his determination. The fact that some ND fans are fuming about it says much more about the low-quality of some ND fans than anything about Robertson. We should be lauding Robertson as a model of a quality athlete who is willing to work hard in the classroom, rather than bitching and whining about how he hasn't met some media-hyped deadline to make one of the biggest decisions in his life.
Regarding the second article, Notre Dame's Stanford Problem: good lord wouldn't it be awesome to just go into South Bend and beat them down? Talk about shaking them to the foundation. October 15 can't come fast enough.
Regarding the second article, Notre Dame's Stanford Problem: good lord wouldn't it be awesome to just go into South Bend and beat them down? Talk about shaking them to the foundation. October 15 can't come fast enough.
Well, pretty much everything he writes he qualifies as a rumor, and I don't know his track record for reliability so who knows what to make of this article. I certainly hope Demetris finds his way to Stanford, if that is truly what he wants. But if he doesn't, he has still earned the utmost respect from Stanford fans, just due to his determination. The fact that some ND fans are fuming about it says much more about the low-quality of some ND fans than anything about Robertson. We should be lauding Robertson as a model of a quality athlete who is willing to work hard in the classroom, rather than bitching and whining about how he hasn't met some media-hyped deadline to make one of the biggest decisions in his life.
Regarding the second article, Notre Dame's Stanford Problem: good lord wouldn't it be awesome to just go into South Bend and beat them down? Talk about shaking them to the foundation. October 15 can't come fast enough.
Regarding the second article, Notre Dame's Stanford Problem: good lord wouldn't it be awesome to just go into South Bend and beat them down? Talk about shaking them to the foundation. October 15 can't come fast enough.
02-18-2016, 10:30 PM
(02-18-2016, 10:22 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:Regarding the second article, the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends's Stanford Problem: good lord wouldn't it be awesome to just go into South Bend and beat them down? Talk about shaking them to the foundation. October 15 can't come fast enough.
That matchup could be very hyped nationally as well. The two teams will have combined to play SC, UCLA, Washington, Wazzu, Texas, Michigan State, and Duke by that time, so we should have a good idea of who Stanford and ND are by then.
(02-18-2016, 10:22 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:Regarding the second article, the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends's Stanford Problem: good lord wouldn't it be awesome to just go into South Bend and beat them down? Talk about shaking them to the foundation. October 15 can't come fast enough.
That matchup could be very hyped nationally as well. The two teams will have combined to play SC, UCLA, Washington, Wazzu, Texas, Michigan State, and Duke by that time, so we should have a good idea of who Stanford and ND are by then.
02-19-2016, 07:44 AM
(02-18-2016, 03:34 PM)Papa John link Wrote:For how long will Stanford allow this saga to go on? The standard application deadline was January 3, which I can imagine might be waived on occasion for athletes and maybe even non-athletes. But the normal student reply date for admitted undergrads is May 1. I wonder how often that is waived for athletes who are weighing their options or waiting to be admitted?
I'm not claiming any knowledge re: the Demetris Robertson situation, I'm just curious as to what the limits are.
Well, if you remember the Erik Lorig case, Erik didn't decide to attend Stanford until a few days before fall practice started. He of course was admitted before then, but I'm not sure how they worked all that out with the admissions department and the reply date.
So I would have to say that if it is a player Stanford really wants, they are willing to be pretty flexible,
(02-18-2016, 03:34 PM)Papa John link Wrote:For how long will Stanford allow this saga to go on? The standard application deadline was January 3, which I can imagine might be waived on occasion for athletes and maybe even non-athletes. But the normal student reply date for admitted undergrads is May 1. I wonder how often that is waived for athletes who are weighing their options or waiting to be admitted?
I'm not claiming any knowledge re: the Demetris Robertson situation, I'm just curious as to what the limits are.
Well, if you remember the Erik Lorig case, Erik didn't decide to attend Stanford until a few days before fall practice started. He of course was admitted before then, but I'm not sure how they worked all that out with the admissions department and the reply date.
So I would have to say that if it is a player Stanford really wants, they are willing to be pretty flexible,
02-19-2016, 08:42 AM
Wow. How cool is this?
In my opinion, albeit formed several decades ago, is that Stanford is a uniquely transformative place and some of the best transformations were high school "jocks" who evolved into serious students and serious people--because of a diverse, smart student body that doesn't overvalue sports.
Obviously this kid is special in character.Â
Good luck to Mr. Robertson and I truly hope he realizes his dream and comes to The Farm. He will do well there and, based on the limited information I've seen, I think he will continue to do well in life after Stanford.Â
In my opinion, albeit formed several decades ago, is that Stanford is a uniquely transformative place and some of the best transformations were high school "jocks" who evolved into serious students and serious people--because of a diverse, smart student body that doesn't overvalue sports.
Obviously this kid is special in character.Â
Good luck to Mr. Robertson and I truly hope he realizes his dream and comes to The Farm. He will do well there and, based on the limited information I've seen, I think he will continue to do well in life after Stanford.Â
Wow. How cool is this?
In my opinion, albeit formed several decades ago, is that Stanford is a uniquely transformative place and some of the best transformations were high school "jocks" who evolved into serious students and serious people--because of a diverse, smart student body that doesn't overvalue sports.
Obviously this kid is special in character.Â
Good luck to Mr. Robertson and I truly hope he realizes his dream and comes to The Farm. He will do well there and, based on the limited information I've seen, I think he will continue to do well in life after Stanford.Â
In my opinion, albeit formed several decades ago, is that Stanford is a uniquely transformative place and some of the best transformations were high school "jocks" who evolved into serious students and serious people--because of a diverse, smart student body that doesn't overvalue sports.
Obviously this kid is special in character.Â
Good luck to Mr. Robertson and I truly hope he realizes his dream and comes to The Farm. He will do well there and, based on the limited information I've seen, I think he will continue to do well in life after Stanford.Â
02-19-2016, 11:07 AM
Another update on the status of Demetris Robertson here (free):
http://247sports.com/Article/Demetris-Ro...a-43803300
Reading between the lines, DR will take the SAT once again on March 5.
http://247sports.com/Article/Demetris-Ro...a-43803300
Reading between the lines, DR will take the SAT once again on March 5.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
Another update on the status of Demetris Robertson here (free):
http://247sports.com/Article/Demetris-Ro...a-43803300
Reading between the lines, DR will take the SAT once again on March 5.
http://247sports.com/Article/Demetris-Ro...a-43803300
Reading between the lines, DR will take the SAT once again on March 5.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
02-19-2016, 11:25 AM
Man, good for that kid. I'm rooting for him so hard for all his effort. I might even have to root for him even if he doesn't end up at Stanford, which could be very painful if he's wearing certain wrong colors...
(02-19-2016, 07:44 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Well, if you remember the Erik Lorig case, Erik didn't decide to attend Stanford until a few days before fall practice started. He of course was admitted before then, but I'm not sure how they worked all that out with the admissions department and the reply date.
So I would have to say that if it is a player Stanford really wants, they are willing to be pretty flexible,
My recollection of the Lorig situation is that he never signed an LOI, which of course nobody is required to do. Lorig waited to make his decision until May 1, which is the deadline for all admitted students to decide whether to attend Stanford. At that point, he chose Stanford, but there was some confusion about his transmission of his acceptance of Stanford's offer. At first, it appeared that he had missed the May 1 deadline, which the admissions office viewed as a hard and fast deadline. But there was some extenuating circumstance (he may have been given incorrect advice by someone at Stanford about what he needed to do to accept), and he was allowed to accept Stanford's offer a day or two later. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
If my memory is correct, then I would say that May 1 could be Stanford's real deadline.
(02-19-2016, 07:44 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Well, if you remember the Erik Lorig case, Erik didn't decide to attend Stanford until a few days before fall practice started. He of course was admitted before then, but I'm not sure how they worked all that out with the admissions department and the reply date.
So I would have to say that if it is a player Stanford really wants, they are willing to be pretty flexible,
My recollection of the Lorig situation is that he never signed an LOI, which of course nobody is required to do. Lorig waited to make his decision until May 1, which is the deadline for all admitted students to decide whether to attend Stanford. At that point, he chose Stanford, but there was some confusion about his transmission of his acceptance of Stanford's offer. At first, it appeared that he had missed the May 1 deadline, which the admissions office viewed as a hard and fast deadline. But there was some extenuating circumstance (he may have been given incorrect advice by someone at Stanford about what he needed to do to accept), and he was allowed to accept Stanford's offer a day or two later. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
If my memory is correct, then I would say that May 1 could be Stanford's real deadline.
02-19-2016, 02:27 PM
(02-19-2016, 12:24 PM)terry link Wrote:If my memory is correct, then I would say that May 1 could be Stanford's real deadline.
That pretty much matches my memory, and I would agree that May 1 is almost certainly Stanford's real deadline.
02-19-2016, 03:48 PM
Funny that no reporters speak for Stanford re: Robertson and he is still given no chance to end up at Stanford on the latest 247 story, even though everyone now acknowledges the only reason he has not signed is because Stanford is where he wants to go.Â
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
Funny that no reporters speak for Stanford re: Robertson and he is still given no chance to end up at Stanford on the latest 247 story, even though everyone now acknowledges the only reason he has not signed is because Stanford is where he wants to go.Â
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
02-19-2016, 05:59 PM
(02-19-2016, 03:48 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Funny that no reporters speak for Stanford re: Robertson and he is still given no chance to end up at Stanford on the latest 247 story, even though everyone now acknowledges the only reason he has not signed is because Stanford is where he wants to go.Â
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
What might be more interesting perhaps would be knowing if there are any on this Board who would have second thoughts about him being accepted right now, if that were possible, despite not attaining the requisite SAT score.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
(02-19-2016, 03:48 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Funny that no reporters speak for Stanford re: Robertson and he is still given no chance to end up at Stanford on the latest 247 story, even though everyone now acknowledges the only reason he has not signed is because Stanford is where he wants to go.Â
If he were to be admitted to Stanford, what would the reaction here be if he signed elsewhere? That would make this the most curious recruitment in the history of recruitment.
What might be more interesting perhaps would be knowing if there are any on this Board who would have second thoughts about him being accepted right now, if that were possible, despite not attaining the requisite SAT score.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
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