(10-30-2016, 06:12 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:That Stanford won by 24 points is a testament to how dreadful Arizona is. But I honestly don't know if I've ever seen a worse QB performance. Stanford should have scored 50 points in that game and would have with just a mediocre QB.
Some Chryst lowlights:
- Holds ball way too long
- Shows no ability to dance around in the pocket to find space or escape pressure
- Some of worst passing accuracy I've ever seen; missed high, low, to sides, long, short
- Terrible decision-making; throwing to covered guys and missing wide open receivers
Alarmingly, these are the same traits afflicting Burns, which makes you wonder if it's coaching, or if those two just don't have it.
To me, the worst play of the game, and there were several, was the 4th and 1 play action pass in the 4th quarter. First of all, why on Earth are they using play action there? You know the defense is going to be selling out to stop the run, so why the need for play action? And if it is going to be play action, you've got to move the QB so you change the spot at which the defense is focusing. By making it a play action drop back pass, all you are doing is allow the defense to get closer to the QB, because the fake is doing nothing, the Safeties are already up at the line ready for run and going forward at the snap. It was the Safety who batted down Chryst's pass.
Nevertheless, even though it was play action, the QB simply has to see and decide to throw to the wide open, behind the defense, TE (Schultz), instead of to the covered RB (Mac) out of the backfield, to the side he's being pressured. There is no excuse for a QB on scholarship at Stanford to miss seeing and delivering the ball to Schultz for what should have been a TD.Â
In the first half, Chryst had a wide open Rector who recognized the zone coverage and settled in an open spot at the sticks for an easy throw and first down. Instead, he threw to a more covered Irwin further downfield, between and sailed it over his head, OOB.
Let's face it, the QB position is an unmitigated disaster. Neither guy is even mediocre. If Costello isn't markedly better, it's time to fire the QB coach at minimum. But there is no doubt in my mind Costello is going to start in 2017 because I refuse to believe he isn't better than Burns and Chryst.Â
Sure the OL isn't dominant, but it's not like the QBs have had zero opportunities to make plays. They simply are missing on far too many that are there to be made.
(10-30-2016, 06:12 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:That Stanford won by 24 points is a testament to how dreadful Arizona is. But I honestly don't know if I've ever seen a worse QB performance. Stanford should have scored 50 points in that game and would have with just a mediocre QB.
Some Chryst lowlights:
- Holds ball way too long
- Shows no ability to dance around in the pocket to find space or escape pressure
- Some of worst passing accuracy I've ever seen; missed high, low, to sides, long, short
- Terrible decision-making; throwing to covered guys and missing wide open receivers
Alarmingly, these are the same traits afflicting Burns, which makes you wonder if it's coaching, or if those two just don't have it.
To me, the worst play of the game, and there were several, was the 4th and 1 play action pass in the 4th quarter. First of all, why on Earth are they using play action there? You know the defense is going to be selling out to stop the run, so why the need for play action? And if it is going to be play action, you've got to move the QB so you change the spot at which the defense is focusing. By making it a play action drop back pass, all you are doing is allow the defense to get closer to the QB, because the fake is doing nothing, the Safeties are already up at the line ready for run and going forward at the snap. It was the Safety who batted down Chryst's pass.
Nevertheless, even though it was play action, the QB simply has to see and decide to throw to the wide open, behind the defense, TE (Schultz), instead of to the covered RB (Mac) out of the backfield, to the side he's being pressured. There is no excuse for a QB on scholarship at Stanford to miss seeing and delivering the ball to Schultz for what should have been a TD.Â
In the first half, Chryst had a wide open Rector who recognized the zone coverage and settled in an open spot at the sticks for an easy throw and first down. Instead, he threw to a more covered Irwin further downfield, between and sailed it over his head, OOB.
Let's face it, the QB position is an unmitigated disaster. Neither guy is even mediocre. If Costello isn't markedly better, it's time to fire the QB coach at minimum. But there is no doubt in my mind Costello is going to start in 2017 because I refuse to believe he isn't better than Burns and Chryst.Â
Sure the OL isn't dominant, but it's not like the QBs have had zero opportunities to make plays. They simply are missing on far too many that are there to be made.
(10-30-2016, 06:12 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:To me, the worst play of the game, and there were several, was the 4th and 1 play action pass in the 4th quarter. First of all, why on Earth are they using play action there? You know the defense is going to be selling out to stop the run, so why the need for play action? And if it is going to be play action, you've got to move the QB so you change the spot at which the defense is focusing. By making it a play action drop back pass, all you are doing is allow the defense to get closer to the QB, because the fake is doing nothing, the Safeties are already up at the line ready for run and going forward at the snap. It was the Safety who batted down Chryst's pass.
(10-30-2016, 06:12 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:To me, the worst play of the game, and there were several, was the 4th and 1 play action pass in the 4th quarter. First of all, why on Earth are they using play action there? You know the defense is going to be selling out to stop the run, so why the need for play action? And if it is going to be play action, you've got to move the QB so you change the spot at which the defense is focusing. By making it a play action drop back pass, all you are doing is allow the defense to get closer to the QB, because the fake is doing nothing, the Safeties are already up at the line ready for run and going forward at the snap. It was the Safety who batted down Chryst's pass.
(10-30-2016, 08:14 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Guys, it was bad.ÂBoth Burns and Chryst seem to lack the ability to scan the field in a timely way, and they both have substantial accuracy problems even when they have time. I've been turning off the TV sound and listening to Todd Husak this year--the commentary of one of our previously successful quarterbacks--and one who is willing to be critical--is more valuable to me than just about anything else. He was excited to see Chryst get the opportunity and speculated about him playing for 2 1/2 years. But during the game Husak kept pointing out the bad reads. He did point out problems with Irwin and Rector's routes that contribute to the problem, and he openly questioned why the tight ends were not more involved. Holding the ball too long, the interception, etc. were signs of an inexperienced quarterback, Husak said. But the throwing mechanics and the arm talent are superior to Burns. He needs coaching and experience to get better--how much better he would get is a guess.
You can see what played out with your eyes, but here are the QBR numbers for Stanford starting QBs this season, according to ESPN:
KSU: 68.7
Under Stanford Control (again): 72.4
UCLA: 45.2
UW: 17.7
WSU: 36.9
ND: 36.5
COL: 18.3
AZ: 15.3
Pay attention to that last line. Chryst, brought in to be better than Burns, actually had the worst QB performance of the season by the numbers. To the eyeballs that was clear too. It's also clear that Burns is the better QB between the two, which is downright scary. Anyone who thinks Chryst needs more time, is not thinking with the sense of urgency needed. He doesn't have either the poise, accuracy, defense reading ability, athleticism, or any intangible needed to be a championship level QB now or ever.
Yes, Stanford plays some bad defenses - like Arizona - the rest of the way, but Stanford isn't going to beat anyone other than Rice if they can't be more potent on offense. This "they were trying to mix things up for future opponents, so it's not important that they didn't complete the pass on 4th down and 1" is silly. They are going to have to execute those kind of plays to beat Oregon and ×ÉÉ for sure, maybe even Oregon State. Shaw was clearly trying to get the passing game going in the 4th quarter, but even when Arizona was expecting run, Chryst was awful. He had his shot against the worst defense Stanford has played to date and he authored the worst QB performance of the season.Â
If they aren't going to play Costello, just to see what they have, knowing Davis Mills is coming, then they have to go back to Burns, because Chryst demonstrated absolutely nothing to suggest he is or might be better. But now David Shaw knows everyone can see why he chose Burns as the starter. He can now go back to Burns knowing nobody wants to see Chryst any more, no matter how Burns might be. Everyone knows Chryst is worse.
(10-30-2016, 08:14 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Guys, it was bad.ÂBoth Burns and Chryst seem to lack the ability to scan the field in a timely way, and they both have substantial accuracy problems even when they have time. I've been turning off the TV sound and listening to Todd Husak this year--the commentary of one of our previously successful quarterbacks--and one who is willing to be critical--is more valuable to me than just about anything else. He was excited to see Chryst get the opportunity and speculated about him playing for 2 1/2 years. But during the game Husak kept pointing out the bad reads. He did point out problems with Irwin and Rector's routes that contribute to the problem, and he openly questioned why the tight ends were not more involved. Holding the ball too long, the interception, etc. were signs of an inexperienced quarterback, Husak said. But the throwing mechanics and the arm talent are superior to Burns. He needs coaching and experience to get better--how much better he would get is a guess.
You can see what played out with your eyes, but here are the QBR numbers for Stanford starting QBs this season, according to ESPN:
KSU: 68.7
Under Stanford Control (again): 72.4
UCLA: 45.2
UW: 17.7
WSU: 36.9
ND: 36.5
COL: 18.3
AZ: 15.3
Pay attention to that last line. Chryst, brought in to be better than Burns, actually had the worst QB performance of the season by the numbers. To the eyeballs that was clear too. It's also clear that Burns is the better QB between the two, which is downright scary. Anyone who thinks Chryst needs more time, is not thinking with the sense of urgency needed. He doesn't have either the poise, accuracy, defense reading ability, athleticism, or any intangible needed to be a championship level QB now or ever.
Yes, Stanford plays some bad defenses - like Arizona - the rest of the way, but Stanford isn't going to beat anyone other than Rice if they can't be more potent on offense. This "they were trying to mix things up for future opponents, so it's not important that they didn't complete the pass on 4th down and 1" is silly. They are going to have to execute those kind of plays to beat Oregon and ×ÉÉ for sure, maybe even Oregon State. Shaw was clearly trying to get the passing game going in the 4th quarter, but even when Arizona was expecting run, Chryst was awful. He had his shot against the worst defense Stanford has played to date and he authored the worst QB performance of the season.Â
If they aren't going to play Costello, just to see what they have, knowing Davis Mills is coming, then they have to go back to Burns, because Chryst demonstrated absolutely nothing to suggest he is or might be better. But now David Shaw knows everyone can see why he chose Burns as the starter. He can now go back to Burns knowing nobody wants to see Chryst any more, no matter how Burns might be. Everyone knows Chryst is worse.
(10-30-2016, 08:04 AM)Phogge link Wrote:If Mills comes in and absolutely wows everybody in August does Shaw have the stones to play him?
Probably not.
(10-30-2016, 08:04 AM)Phogge link Wrote:If Mills comes in and absolutely wows everybody in August does Shaw have the stones to play him?
Probably not.
