05-29-2017, 09:24 AM
Jupiter Florida where there are more cops than residents.
DUI for Tiger
05-29-2017, 10:46 AM
And much more fortunate than Ken Hubbs, Lyman Bostock and Benny Kid Paret all cut down in their prime.
I hope my remark was not interpreted as critical of Woods. I feel for all that he's lost: his dad, his wife, a part of his reputation, and now the mere opportunity to even play a game he loves, and that he reinvented.
I recently rewatched his first Masters win and realized he was playing another game from anyone else. Driver and wedge, driver and wedge--even, as I recall, on the 13th.
So many of his records defy belief:
13-1: His playoff record. 10-4 would be impressive, given that one shot can win or lose a playoff for either side. And your opponent, after all, has just shown himself good enough to play you even for 72 holes. 13-1.
13: 13 consecutive years--well a couple weeks short of that--as the world's #1. The closest to that record is Greg Norman's six.Â
7: Consecutive tournament win streak. No golfer in the last 60 years has won even five in a row. Except:
3:Â Number of consecutive five-tournament winning steaks.Â
He played a different game, and you can look back at that swing--the sheer violence of it--and guess his body would not survive it.
Like no other. Here's hoping for better days for him once again.
I recently rewatched his first Masters win and realized he was playing another game from anyone else. Driver and wedge, driver and wedge--even, as I recall, on the 13th.
So many of his records defy belief:
13-1: His playoff record. 10-4 would be impressive, given that one shot can win or lose a playoff for either side. And your opponent, after all, has just shown himself good enough to play you even for 72 holes. 13-1.
13: 13 consecutive years--well a couple weeks short of that--as the world's #1. The closest to that record is Greg Norman's six.Â
7: Consecutive tournament win streak. No golfer in the last 60 years has won even five in a row. Except:
3:Â Number of consecutive five-tournament winning steaks.Â
He played a different game, and you can look back at that swing--the sheer violence of it--and guess his body would not survive it.
Like no other. Here's hoping for better days for him once again.
I hope my remark was not interpreted as critical of Woods. I feel for all that he's lost: his dad, his wife, a part of his reputation, and now the mere opportunity to even play a game he loves, and that he reinvented.
I recently rewatched his first Masters win and realized he was playing another game from anyone else. Driver and wedge, driver and wedge--even, as I recall, on the 13th.
So many of his records defy belief:
13-1: His playoff record. 10-4 would be impressive, given that one shot can win or lose a playoff for either side. And your opponent, after all, has just shown himself good enough to play you even for 72 holes. 13-1.
13: 13 consecutive years--well a couple weeks short of that--as the world's #1. The closest to that record is Greg Norman's six.Â
7: Consecutive tournament win streak. No golfer in the last 60 years has won even five in a row. Except:
3:Â Number of consecutive five-tournament winning steaks.Â
He played a different game, and you can look back at that swing--the sheer violence of it--and guess his body would not survive it.
Like no other. Here's hoping for better days for him once again.
I recently rewatched his first Masters win and realized he was playing another game from anyone else. Driver and wedge, driver and wedge--even, as I recall, on the 13th.
So many of his records defy belief:
13-1: His playoff record. 10-4 would be impressive, given that one shot can win or lose a playoff for either side. And your opponent, after all, has just shown himself good enough to play you even for 72 holes. 13-1.
13: 13 consecutive years--well a couple weeks short of that--as the world's #1. The closest to that record is Greg Norman's six.Â
7: Consecutive tournament win streak. No golfer in the last 60 years has won even five in a row. Except:
3:Â Number of consecutive five-tournament winning steaks.Â
He played a different game, and you can look back at that swing--the sheer violence of it--and guess his body would not survive it.
Like no other. Here's hoping for better days for him once again.
05-29-2017, 11:02 AM
Gary McCord thinks he's the best ever but that Nicklaus was the best champion. The game has changed so much since 2008. There so many more who can win now. I think Rahm may be just as gifted but will he have anything close to Tiger's mental toughness? Probably not.
I don't feel sorry for Woods. He made his own bed and he'll never be able to spend all his money. I much prefer a kid like Spieth, devoutly Catholic, open and quite willing to give the fans some payback.
And I hope you watched some of the BMW PGA in England. Fantastic and a once of a lifetime round for Noren after being behind by 7 on Sunday.
I don't feel sorry for Woods. He made his own bed and he'll never be able to spend all his money. I much prefer a kid like Spieth, devoutly Catholic, open and quite willing to give the fans some payback.
And I hope you watched some of the BMW PGA in England. Fantastic and a once of a lifetime round for Noren after being behind by 7 on Sunday.
Gary McCord thinks he's the best ever but that Nicklaus was the best champion. The game has changed so much since 2008. There so many more who can win now. I think Rahm may be just as gifted but will he have anything close to Tiger's mental toughness? Probably not.
I don't feel sorry for Woods. He made his own bed and he'll never be able to spend all his money. I much prefer a kid like Spieth, devoutly Catholic, open and quite willing to give the fans some payback.
And I hope you watched some of the BMW PGA in England. Fantastic and a once of a lifetime round for Noren after being behind by 7 on Sunday.
I don't feel sorry for Woods. He made his own bed and he'll never be able to spend all his money. I much prefer a kid like Spieth, devoutly Catholic, open and quite willing to give the fans some payback.
And I hope you watched some of the BMW PGA in England. Fantastic and a once of a lifetime round for Noren after being behind by 7 on Sunday.
05-29-2017, 02:20 PM
I got hit head-on by a drunk driver 20 years ago, so I have zero sympathy for any drunk driver. But if it's possible, I have even less sympathy for someone as rich as Tiger who can easily afford to call a cab, dial up an uber, or even hire a full-time driver. This sort of thing should never happen to a super-rich person.
I got hit head-on by a drunk driver 20 years ago, so I have zero sympathy for any drunk driver. But if it's possible, I have even less sympathy for someone as rich as Tiger who can easily afford to call a cab, dial up an uber, or even hire a full-time driver. This sort of thing should never happen to a super-rich person.
05-29-2017, 02:30 PM
(05-29-2017, 10:47 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:He played a different game, and you can look back at that swing--the sheer violence of it--and guess his body would not survive it.
Tiger's personal demons aside, this made me think... I wonder if his body's frame just did not allow for the large amount of muscle that he put on to it. He looked like a linebacker early on, and I sometimes asked myself how much of that was really needed for his swing. We've seen injuries in other sports where a wiry- or smaller-framed person put too much muscle on to that frame and it ended in chronic injury, especially now that science has made it (relatively) easy to add muscle mass. Maybe cut his muscle mass in half, and I wonder if Tiger would not have hit it as far, but also would have had a longer career. I really don't know, and could totally be wrong. But I do wonder.
-m.
(05-29-2017, 10:47 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:He played a different game, and you can look back at that swing--the sheer violence of it--and guess his body would not survive it.
Tiger's personal demons aside, this made me think... I wonder if his body's frame just did not allow for the large amount of muscle that he put on to it. He looked like a linebacker early on, and I sometimes asked myself how much of that was really needed for his swing. We've seen injuries in other sports where a wiry- or smaller-framed person put too much muscle on to that frame and it ended in chronic injury, especially now that science has made it (relatively) easy to add muscle mass. Maybe cut his muscle mass in half, and I wonder if Tiger would not have hit it as far, but also would have had a longer career. I really don't know, and could totally be wrong. But I do wonder.
-m.
05-29-2017, 03:27 PM
(05-29-2017, 02:20 PM)burger link Wrote:But if it's possible, I have even less sympathy for someone as rich as Tiger who can easily afford to call a cab, dial up an uber, or even hire a full-time driver. This sort of thing should never happen to a super-rich person.
Very true.
(05-29-2017, 02:20 PM)burger link Wrote:But if it's possible, I have even less sympathy for someone as rich as Tiger who can easily afford to call a cab, dial up an uber, or even hire a full-time driver. This sort of thing should never happen to a super-rich person.
Very true.
05-29-2017, 04:02 PM
Yeah, Tiger *should've* called the Uber -- so in one sense he deserves whatever punishment's coming to him. No debate there. But pretty clearly there's something not quite right in his life, and so I hope he can find closure, or peace, or something to quell those inner agonies.
Yeah, Tiger *should've* called the Uber -- so in one sense he deserves whatever punishment's coming to him. No debate there. But pretty clearly there's something not quite right in his life, and so I hope he can find closure, or peace, or something to quell those inner agonies.
Tiger issued a statement today stating that alcohol was not the cause of his impairment, but rather a reaction to various prescription medications. No way of knowing if this is true at this point, but it is plausible given that he is surely on all sorts of pain medication for his chronic back ailments.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
Tiger issued a statement today stating that alcohol was not the cause of his impairment, but rather a reaction to various prescription medications. No way of knowing if this is true at this point, but it is plausible given that he is surely on all sorts of pain medication for his chronic back ailments.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
05-30-2017, 07:47 AM
(05-29-2017, 10:52 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Tiger issued a statement today stating that alcohol was not the cause of his impairment, but rather a reaction to various prescription medications. No way of knowing if this is true at this point, but it is plausible given that he is surely on all sorts of pain medication for his chronic back ailments.Whatever advertisers he has left are probably more comfortable with this type of DUI. The late night coupled with a likely collection of pain meds probably fits. Also easier for me to imagine someone on meds would not think to get a driver or whatever. Still not good.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
Really in some ways this might be his second DUI, as I seem to recall the version of events surrounding the break-up with his wife included getting into an SUV and crashing it. Though it all clouds together with those Asian animations which seemed to offer a credible and entertaining interpretation of the likely events.
(05-29-2017, 10:52 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Tiger issued a statement today stating that alcohol was not the cause of his impairment, but rather a reaction to various prescription medications. No way of knowing if this is true at this point, but it is plausible given that he is surely on all sorts of pain medication for his chronic back ailments.Whatever advertisers he has left are probably more comfortable with this type of DUI. The late night coupled with a likely collection of pain meds probably fits. Also easier for me to imagine someone on meds would not think to get a driver or whatever. Still not good.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
Really in some ways this might be his second DUI, as I seem to recall the version of events surrounding the break-up with his wife included getting into an SUV and crashing it. Though it all clouds together with those Asian animations which seemed to offer a credible and entertaining interpretation of the likely events.
05-30-2017, 07:59 AM
(05-29-2017, 10:52 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Tiger issued a statement today stating that alcohol was not the cause of his impairment, but rather a reaction to various prescription medications. No way of knowing if this is true at this point, but it is plausible given that he is surely on all sorts of pain medication for his chronic back ailments.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
This is exemplary of why I am beginning to loathe our 24/7 news culture. We all pre-judge before the facts have even emerged. I feel bad that the whole world jumped to conclusions before knowing the details and read him the riot act, when all along it turns out he's recovering from back surgery and had a bad reaction to pain meds. It doesn't excuse getting behind the wheel when you know you've taken potentially driving-impairing medications, but it definitely changes the inflection of the severity of it.
(05-29-2017, 10:52 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Tiger issued a statement today stating that alcohol was not the cause of his impairment, but rather a reaction to various prescription medications. No way of knowing if this is true at this point, but it is plausible given that he is surely on all sorts of pain medication for his chronic back ailments.
Update: the police report released this morning stated that his blood alcohol level was 0.0 according to the roadside breathalyzer test.
This is exemplary of why I am beginning to loathe our 24/7 news culture. We all pre-judge before the facts have even emerged. I feel bad that the whole world jumped to conclusions before knowing the details and read him the riot act, when all along it turns out he's recovering from back surgery and had a bad reaction to pain meds. It doesn't excuse getting behind the wheel when you know you've taken potentially driving-impairing medications, but it definitely changes the inflection of the severity of it.
05-30-2017, 10:27 AM
Driving under the influence of pain Ned's is no less dangerous than driving under the influence of alcohol. I don't view the fact that it was not alcohol to be a mitigating fact.
BC
BC
Driving under the influence of pain Ned's is no less dangerous than driving under the influence of alcohol. I don't view the fact that it was not alcohol to be a mitigating fact.
BC
BC
05-30-2017, 10:51 AM
He has changed coaches a number of times. Wonder if he's ever had mental help. Maybe too proud.
05-30-2017, 11:19 AM
(05-30-2017, 10:27 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:Driving under the influence of pain Ned's is no less dangerous than driving under the influence of alcohol. I don't view the fact that it was not alcohol to be a mitigating fact.
BC
Well, it is conceivable it could have been a genuinely unexpected reaction, whereas alcohol is always alcohol. As per earlier, my view is to wait until we know all the facts.
(05-30-2017, 10:27 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:Driving under the influence of pain Ned's is no less dangerous than driving under the influence of alcohol. I don't view the fact that it was not alcohol to be a mitigating fact.
BC
Well, it is conceivable it could have been a genuinely unexpected reaction, whereas alcohol is always alcohol. As per earlier, my view is to wait until we know all the facts.
(05-30-2017, 10:27 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:Driving under the influence of pain Ned's is no less dangerous than driving under the influence of alcohol. I don't view the fact that it was not alcohol to be a mitigating fact.
BC
100% agree that the dangers are the same, but I don't think the two scenarios are identical. If you are going out knowing that you will be consuming alcohol and that it's possible that you will reach the point of inebriation, then it's incumbent on you to make arrangements in advance (designated driver or leaving your car at home and using Uber). But it's reasonable to assume that if you are only taking medication as prescribed that you don't contemplate becoming disoriented, at which point you make poor decisions that you aren't fully aware of.
Tiger will be justifiably penalized for his actions, but I am more sympathetic to a situation where he suffered genuinely unexpected consequences as opposed to a scenario where a reasonable person should be highly aware of what could transpire. If you are taking medication as indicated you don't assume that your judgment will become impaired, whereas if you are out drinking or using recreational drugs it's a certainty to at least some degree.
(05-30-2017, 10:27 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:Driving under the influence of pain Ned's is no less dangerous than driving under the influence of alcohol. I don't view the fact that it was not alcohol to be a mitigating fact.
BC
100% agree that the dangers are the same, but I don't think the two scenarios are identical. If you are going out knowing that you will be consuming alcohol and that it's possible that you will reach the point of inebriation, then it's incumbent on you to make arrangements in advance (designated driver or leaving your car at home and using Uber). But it's reasonable to assume that if you are only taking medication as prescribed that you don't contemplate becoming disoriented, at which point you make poor decisions that you aren't fully aware of.
Tiger will be justifiably penalized for his actions, but I am more sympathetic to a situation where he suffered genuinely unexpected consequences as opposed to a scenario where a reasonable person should be highly aware of what could transpire. If you are taking medication as indicated you don't assume that your judgment will become impaired, whereas if you are out drinking or using recreational drugs it's a certainty to at least some degree.
05-30-2017, 11:37 AM
Patients on opiate pain medications are instructed not to drive or operate heavy machinery.
I think this is less bad than an alcohol DUI but not much.
I think this is less bad than an alcohol DUI but not much.
05-30-2017, 11:38 AM
so he's found asleep in the drivers seat of his car ~2am stopped in the right lane of the road, with the engine running, turn signal flashing and brake lights on going away from his home.
he did have his seat belt on
Woods had extremely slow and slurred speech, the report said. He was sluggish, sleepy and unable to walk alone.
Woods seemed confused, saying he did not know where he was and asking how far he was from his house in Hobe Sound. The report noted that Woods was heading away from his house at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/sport...rrest.html
the police report
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...eport.html
he did have his seat belt on
Woods had extremely slow and slurred speech, the report said. He was sluggish, sleepy and unable to walk alone.
Woods seemed confused, saying he did not know where he was and asking how far he was from his house in Hobe Sound. The report noted that Woods was heading away from his house at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/sport...rrest.html
the police report
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...eport.html
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
so he's found asleep in the drivers seat of his car ~2am stopped in the right lane of the road, with the engine running, turn signal flashing and brake lights on going away from his home.
he did have his seat belt on
Woods had extremely slow and slurred speech, the report said. He was sluggish, sleepy and unable to walk alone.
Woods seemed confused, saying he did not know where he was and asking how far he was from his house in Hobe Sound. The report noted that Woods was heading away from his house at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/sport...rrest.html
the police report
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...eport.html
he did have his seat belt on
Woods had extremely slow and slurred speech, the report said. He was sluggish, sleepy and unable to walk alone.
Woods seemed confused, saying he did not know where he was and asking how far he was from his house in Hobe Sound. The report noted that Woods was heading away from his house at the time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/sport...rrest.html
the police report
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017...eport.html
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
05-30-2017, 12:15 PM
(05-30-2017, 11:24 AM)DC 86 link Wrote:Tiger will be justifiably penalized for his actions, but I am more sympathetic to a situation where he suffered genuinely unexpected consequences as opposed to a scenario where a reasonable person should be highly aware of what could transpire. If you are taking medication as indicated you don't assume that your judgment will become impaired, whereas if you are out drinking or using recreational drugs it's a certainty to at least some degree.
For what actions could Woods be penalized? The police report indicates that he blew 0.0 on the breath test.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
(05-30-2017, 11:24 AM)DC 86 link Wrote:Tiger will be justifiably penalized for his actions, but I am more sympathetic to a situation where he suffered genuinely unexpected consequences as opposed to a scenario where a reasonable person should be highly aware of what could transpire. If you are taking medication as indicated you don't assume that your judgment will become impaired, whereas if you are out drinking or using recreational drugs it's a certainty to at least some degree.
For what actions could Woods be penalized? The police report indicates that he blew 0.0 on the breath test.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
05-30-2017, 12:17 PM
I accidentally posted this as Administrator earlier. Here's the CNN story.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/us/tiger-w...index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/us/tiger-w...index.html
I accidentally posted this as Administrator earlier. Here's the CNN story.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/us/tiger-w...index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/us/tiger-w...index.html
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