[Langdude]

I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.

[Langdude]

I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.

[Redrum]

It is the easiest thing in the world to judge a twenty-year-old kid on standards that many adults don't follow. I understand and value sportsmanship, and it's something I preach to the kids I coach -- but I completely understand why Rosen might've just wanted to get the heck outta Dodge. In fact, I often look at those post game scenes with kids from both teams milling about and chatting with each other amiably when only minutes before they were pounding each other, and I wonder how they do it. (And by the way, ever notice which conversation is often the shortest -- the one between the head coaches, the two adults, who often go in for the obligatory handshake without breaking stride.)

You don't have to like Josh Rosen, but you probably shouldn't bury him because he didn't shake anyone's hand in the moments following what might've been the greatest athletic disappointment of his life.

"What's your deal??" is one of the great moments in Stanford football history and one of the great encounters between two adults ever caught on video.

[Redrum]

It is the easiest thing in the world to judge a twenty-year-old kid on standards that many adults don't follow. I understand and value sportsmanship, and it's something I preach to the kids I coach -- but I completely understand why Rosen might've just wanted to get the heck outta Dodge. In fact, I often look at those post game scenes with kids from both teams milling about and chatting with each other amiably when only minutes before they were pounding each other, and I wonder how they do it. (And by the way, ever notice which conversation is often the shortest -- the one between the head coaches, the two adults, who often go in for the obligatory handshake without breaking stride.)

You don't have to like Josh Rosen, but you probably shouldn't bury him because he didn't shake anyone's hand in the moments following what might've been the greatest athletic disappointment of his life.

"What's your deal??" is one of the great moments in Stanford football history and one of the great encounters between two adults ever caught on video.

[Mick]

It's not so much that Rosen has a history of a-hole behavior, from taunting De La Salle HS after his team defeated them for a state championship, or that he clearly thinks that rules don't apply to him, as he showed at UCLA by twice knowingly violating school policy. And not that he wore a "F--- Trump" baseball cap while playing golf on Trump's golf course. I called him a punk because of the poor sportsmanship he showed Saturday. Tough loss? So what? Frustrated? So what? After a loss, you do the same thing you do when you when you win--shake hands with your opponent. There's no justifying what he didn't do.

It's not just Rosen, either. After Stanford defeated U$C in '07 and '09, I noticed how the entire SC team ran off of the field without acknowledging the Stanford players. Complete lack of class. I found it disgusting.

To me, all of those things aren't good.

I am reminded of Coach Shaw's policy for his players in talking to the media about non-football matters.  Paraphrased, he said if you're going to comment to the media for public attribution, you had better know what you're talking about.  Mora himself says you should be socially responsible about your media comments.  I don't think Rosen's public comments regarding coexistence of football and education meet those standards.

[Mick]

It's not so much that Rosen has a history of a-hole behavior, from taunting De La Salle HS after his team defeated them for a state championship, or that he clearly thinks that rules don't apply to him, as he showed at UCLA by twice knowingly violating school policy. And not that he wore a "F--- Trump" baseball cap while playing golf on Trump's golf course. I called him a punk because of the poor sportsmanship he showed Saturday. Tough loss? So what? Frustrated? So what? After a loss, you do the same thing you do when you when you win--shake hands with your opponent. There's no justifying what he didn't do.

It's not just Rosen, either. After Stanford defeated U$C in '07 and '09, I noticed how the entire SC team ran off of the field without acknowledging the Stanford players. Complete lack of class. I found it disgusting.

To me, all of those things aren't good.

I am reminded of Coach Shaw's policy for his players in talking to the media about non-football matters.  Paraphrased, he said if you're going to comment to the media for public attribution, you had better know what you're talking about.  Mora himself says you should be socially responsible about your media comments.  I don't think Rosen's public comments regarding coexistence of football and education meet those standards.

[RedShift]

Based on facts on Rosen (as opposed to opinions and insinuations), he appears to be a somewhat immature young man who is intelligent and honest. If he enters the draft, I hope he's drafted by an offensive-minded coach who will be willing groom him for a couple of seasons  -- someone like Shanahan..

[RedShift]

Based on facts on Rosen (as opposed to opinions and insinuations), he appears to be a somewhat immature young man who is intelligent and honest. If he enters the draft, I hope he's drafted by an offensive-minded coach who will be willing groom him for a couple of seasons  -- someone like Shanahan..

[CTcard]

...works for me.  Is Rosen bad for UCLA?  Arguably not. 

While I highly doubt Rosen was/is bad for UCLA, and most likely the opposite, it could be worth noting UCLA's record over the years.

2012: 9-5
2013: 10-3
2014: 10-3
-------------------Rosen Arrives-----------------
2015: 8-5
2016: 4-8
2017: 2-2

[CTcard]

...works for me.  Is Rosen bad for UCLA?  Arguably not. 

While I highly doubt Rosen was/is bad for UCLA, and most likely the opposite, it could be worth noting UCLA's record over the years.

2012: 9-5
2013: 10-3
2014: 10-3
-------------------Rosen Arrives-----------------
2015: 8-5
2016: 4-8
2017: 2-2

[winflop]

A tiring topic. 1.  He's a great talent. 2.  He's arrogant.  3 Shaw passed on him. 4  That was a mistake. 5 All coaches make mistakes. 6. Stanford kicked the snot out of UCLA - yet again. 7. Time to move on. We can argue about Rosen when the 49ers draft him.

Agree with most but not 4. It was not a mistake to pass on Rosen. Serious character issues that have since manifested themselves

Yes he's young & immature which is why I can write off things like the hot tub incident and his comments about school & football. But I can't excuse what he did at the end of the game on Saturday night.

[winflop]

A tiring topic. 1.  He's a great talent. 2.  He's arrogant.  3 Shaw passed on him. 4  That was a mistake. 5 All coaches make mistakes. 6. Stanford kicked the snot out of UCLA - yet again. 7. Time to move on. We can argue about Rosen when the 49ers draft him.

Agree with most but not 4. It was not a mistake to pass on Rosen. Serious character issues that have since manifested themselves

Yes he's young & immature which is why I can write off things like the hot tub incident and his comments about school & football. But I can't excuse what he did at the end of the game on Saturday night.

[jacketree]

Want to talk about confirmation bias?  It's on full display with how people on this board constantly pick on Josh Rosen.  Shaw didn't offer him, so y'all think everything he does that isn't perfect, confirms Shaw was right to not offer him.  It's really sad.  The kid is a great talent who isn't afraid to be honest, who competes with everything he has.  I've never seen him do anything that suggests he is aloof, selfish, or even un-coachable.

The reality is Rosen is an elite QB who is probably trying to do too much to help his team win, because the guys he plays with aren't up to his level.  Imagine if he had a great OL who afforded him great pass protection, and had a productive, reliable running game.  Imagine if he had an elite WR corps. Imagine if his team's defense was a lock down unit.

If you were as talented as Rosen and just got your ass handed to you in a game you threw 60 times, by a team that just notched its 10th consecutive victory against your team, you'd probably want to go hide too.  And you might be even more likely to do it because you were still bothered by the fact that school didn't offer you a scholarship.

None of this makes Rosen a bad guy, and it doesn't make Shaw look prophetic for not offering him a scholarship either.  Sometimes, things just happen and there is no sinister reason that they do.

Amen.

Funny how things like a lot of Stanford players making a beeline for the locker room after the UC Davis embarrassment were excused with 'well they didn't want to interrupt the celebration' but Rosen's a "punk" because he just wanted out of there. It happens a lot more than anyone wants to acknowledge and at all levels where they don't force the 'slap hands/good game' lineup. The only time I can remember a reprimand was when Teich, the Navy fullback, had to miss a game because he wouldn't stand for the singing of USAF's alma mater after a brutal loss.

Rosen looks pretty good to me, although probably not enough of a savior to do it all without a defense. How that will translate to the NFL is anyone's guess.

[jacketree]

Want to talk about confirmation bias?  It's on full display with how people on this board constantly pick on Josh Rosen.  Shaw didn't offer him, so y'all think everything he does that isn't perfect, confirms Shaw was right to not offer him.  It's really sad.  The kid is a great talent who isn't afraid to be honest, who competes with everything he has.  I've never seen him do anything that suggests he is aloof, selfish, or even un-coachable.

The reality is Rosen is an elite QB who is probably trying to do too much to help his team win, because the guys he plays with aren't up to his level.  Imagine if he had a great OL who afforded him great pass protection, and had a productive, reliable running game.  Imagine if he had an elite WR corps. Imagine if his team's defense was a lock down unit.

If you were as talented as Rosen and just got your ass handed to you in a game you threw 60 times, by a team that just notched its 10th consecutive victory against your team, you'd probably want to go hide too.  And you might be even more likely to do it because you were still bothered by the fact that school didn't offer you a scholarship.

None of this makes Rosen a bad guy, and it doesn't make Shaw look prophetic for not offering him a scholarship either.  Sometimes, things just happen and there is no sinister reason that they do.

Amen.

Funny how things like a lot of Stanford players making a beeline for the locker room after the UC Davis embarrassment were excused with 'well they didn't want to interrupt the celebration' but Rosen's a "punk" because he just wanted out of there. It happens a lot more than anyone wants to acknowledge and at all levels where they don't force the 'slap hands/good game' lineup. The only time I can remember a reprimand was when Teich, the Navy fullback, had to miss a game because he wouldn't stand for the singing of USAF's alma mater after a brutal loss.

Rosen looks pretty good to me, although probably not enough of a savior to do it all without a defense. How that will translate to the NFL is anyone's guess.

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

Based on facts on Rosen (as opposed to opinions and insinuations), he appears to be a somewhat immature young man who is intelligent and honest. If he enters the draft, I hope he's drafted by an offensive-minded coach who will be willing groom him for a couple of seasons  -- someone like Shanahan..

With regards to the NFL,  the team a player joins may be crucial to his pro league success.
For example, without Bill Walsh's involvement in their playing careers, I think it's likely that Montana or Young would have never played a Super Bowl game.
I think only about 5 of the NFL's team's are especially well managed and coached, which means there is only a small chance that a star collegiate player like Rosen will end up playing for  a first rate NFL team. More common is the story of Andrew Luck's pro career, which has suffered from the inept management and coaching of the Colts.
I continue to be surprised that more college star players have not followed the path of John Elway and Eli Manning, guys who refused to play for the poorly managed operations (Colts and Chargers) that were in line to draft them.

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

Based on facts on Rosen (as opposed to opinions and insinuations), he appears to be a somewhat immature young man who is intelligent and honest. If he enters the draft, I hope he's drafted by an offensive-minded coach who will be willing groom him for a couple of seasons  -- someone like Shanahan..

With regards to the NFL,  the team a player joins may be crucial to his pro league success.
For example, without Bill Walsh's involvement in their playing careers, I think it's likely that Montana or Young would have never played a Super Bowl game.
I think only about 5 of the NFL's team's are especially well managed and coached, which means there is only a small chance that a star collegiate player like Rosen will end up playing for  a first rate NFL team. More common is the story of Andrew Luck's pro career, which has suffered from the inept management and coaching of the Colts.
I continue to be surprised that more college star players have not followed the path of John Elway and Eli Manning, guys who refused to play for the poorly managed operations (Colts and Chargers) that were in line to draft them.

[BostonCard]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202617#msg202617 date=1506285168]
I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.
[/quote]


HA!  What about meta-meta comments?

Curious as to what my meta-comment says about me.

BC

[BostonCard]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202617#msg202617 date=1506285168]
I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.
[/quote]


HA!  What about meta-meta comments?

Curious as to what my meta-comment says about me.

BC

[Goose]

One thing everybody here seems to ignore about Shaw not offering Rosen may be that Rosen told him that if he wasn't going to play as a freshman, he wasn't coming to Stanford, or something to that effect. Given that situation, there was no offer. It isn't like we know that Rosen would for sure have come to Stanford if offered. The no guaranteed playing time as a freshman could have been, and knowing his apparent ego and agenda,  would have been, a showstopper.

[Goose]

One thing everybody here seems to ignore about Shaw not offering Rosen may be that Rosen told him that if he wasn't going to play as a freshman, he wasn't coming to Stanford, or something to that effect. Given that situation, there was no offer. It isn't like we know that Rosen would for sure have come to Stanford if offered. The no guaranteed playing time as a freshman could have been, and knowing his apparent ego and agenda,  would have been, a showstopper.

[SamAtoms1980]

[quote author=Langdude link=topic=17486.msg202768#msg202768 date=1506357089]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202617#msg202617 date=1506285168]
I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.
[/quote]


HA!  What about meta-meta comments?

Curious as to what my meta-comment says about me.

BC
[/quote]


I would offer my opinion, but then I would be left wondering what my meta-meta-meta-comment reveals about me.

Douglas Hofstadter would enjoy this train of thought.  He might even be reading this, with Indiana looking like it might attain respectability......

[SamAtoms1980]

[quote author=Langdude link=topic=17486.msg202768#msg202768 date=1506357089]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202617#msg202617 date=1506285168]
I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.
[/quote]


HA!  What about meta-meta comments?

Curious as to what my meta-comment says about me.

BC
[/quote]


I would offer my opinion, but then I would be left wondering what my meta-meta-meta-comment reveals about me.

Douglas Hofstadter would enjoy this train of thought.  He might even be reading this, with Indiana looking like it might attain respectability......

[BostonCard]

It's meta all the way down...

BC

[BostonCard]

It's meta all the way down...

BC

[CowboyIndian]

I wonder what Zubin Mehta would say.

[CowboyIndian]

I wonder what Zubin Mehta would say.

[Langdude]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202824#msg202824 date=1506371263]
[quote author=Langdude link=topic=17486.msg202768#msg202768 date=1506357089]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202617#msg202617 date=1506285168]
I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.
[/quote]


HA!  What about meta-meta comments?

Curious as to what my meta-comment says about me.

BC
[/quote]


I would offer my opinion, but then I would be left wondering what my meta-meta-meta-comment reveals about me.

Douglas Hofstadter would enjoy this train of thought.  He might even be reading this, with Indiana looking like it might attain respectability......
[/quote]

As a Symbolic Systems major, I felt I had to make a meta-meta-comment. (Which would make this a meta/\3 comment.:)

-m.

[Langdude]

[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202824#msg202824 date=1506371263]
[quote author=Langdude link=topic=17486.msg202768#msg202768 date=1506357089]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=17486.msg202617#msg202617 date=1506285168]
I sometimes feel like posters’ comments about Rosen say more about the posters than about Rosen.

BC

Though the same could be said about the meta-comments, too.

-m.
[/quote]


HA!  What about meta-meta comments?

Curious as to what my meta-comment says about me.

BC
[/quote]


I would offer my opinion, but then I would be left wondering what my meta-meta-meta-comment reveals about me.

Douglas Hofstadter would enjoy this train of thought.  He might even be reading this, with Indiana looking like it might attain respectability......
[/quote]

As a Symbolic Systems major, I felt I had to make a meta-meta-comment. (Which would make this a meta/\3 comment.:)

-m.

[JohnR34231]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=17486.msg202751#msg202751 date=1506349872]
Want to talk about confirmation bias?  It's on full display with how people on this board constantly pick on Josh Rosen.  Shaw didn't offer him, so y'all think everything he does that isn't perfect, confirms Shaw was right to not offer him.  It's really sad.  The kid is a great talent who isn't afraid to be honest, who competes with everything he has.  I've never seen him do anything that suggests he is aloof, selfish, or even un-coachable.

The reality is Rosen is an elite QB who is probably trying to do too much to help his team win, because the guys he plays with aren't up to his level.  Imagine if he had a great OL who afforded him great pass protection, and had a productive, reliable running game.  Imagine if he had an elite WR corps. Imagine if his team's defense was a lock down unit.

If you were as talented as Rosen and just got your ass handed to you in a game you threw 60 times, by a team that just notched its 10th consecutive victory against your team, you'd probably want to go hide too.  And you might be even more likely to do it because you were still bothered by the fact that school didn't offer you a scholarship.

None of this makes Rosen a bad guy, and it doesn't make Shaw look prophetic for not offering him a scholarship either.  Sometimes, things just happen and there is no sinister reason that they do.

Amen.

Funny how things like a lot of Stanford players making a beeline for the locker room after the UC Davis embarrassment were excused with 'well they didn't want to interrupt the celebration' but Rosen's a "punk" because he just wanted out of there. It happens a lot more than anyone wants to acknowledge and at all levels where they don't force the 'slap hands/good game' lineup. The only time I can remember a reprimand was when Teich, the Navy fullback, had to miss a game because he wouldn't stand for the singing of USAF's alma mater after a brutal loss.

Rosen looks pretty good to me, although probably not enough of a savior to do it all without a defense. How that will translate to the NFL is anyone's guess.
[/quote]
The Navy AF rivalry is particularly bitter. I recall one extremely disappointing loss when a Navy coach said to an AF linebacker "Good Game". The AF linebacker told him to F-off. That was one case where a player should have run off the field immediately after the game.

[JohnR34231]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=17486.msg202751#msg202751 date=1506349872]
Want to talk about confirmation bias?  It's on full display with how people on this board constantly pick on Josh Rosen.  Shaw didn't offer him, so y'all think everything he does that isn't perfect, confirms Shaw was right to not offer him.  It's really sad.  The kid is a great talent who isn't afraid to be honest, who competes with everything he has.  I've never seen him do anything that suggests he is aloof, selfish, or even un-coachable.

The reality is Rosen is an elite QB who is probably trying to do too much to help his team win, because the guys he plays with aren't up to his level.  Imagine if he had a great OL who afforded him great pass protection, and had a productive, reliable running game.  Imagine if he had an elite WR corps. Imagine if his team's defense was a lock down unit.

If you were as talented as Rosen and just got your ass handed to you in a game you threw 60 times, by a team that just notched its 10th consecutive victory against your team, you'd probably want to go hide too.  And you might be even more likely to do it because you were still bothered by the fact that school didn't offer you a scholarship.

None of this makes Rosen a bad guy, and it doesn't make Shaw look prophetic for not offering him a scholarship either.  Sometimes, things just happen and there is no sinister reason that they do.

Amen.

Funny how things like a lot of Stanford players making a beeline for the locker room after the UC Davis embarrassment were excused with 'well they didn't want to interrupt the celebration' but Rosen's a "punk" because he just wanted out of there. It happens a lot more than anyone wants to acknowledge and at all levels where they don't force the 'slap hands/good game' lineup. The only time I can remember a reprimand was when Teich, the Navy fullback, had to miss a game because he wouldn't stand for the singing of USAF's alma mater after a brutal loss.

Rosen looks pretty good to me, although probably not enough of a savior to do it all without a defense. How that will translate to the NFL is anyone's guess.
[/quote]
The Navy AF rivalry is particularly bitter. I recall one extremely disappointing loss when a Navy coach said to an AF linebacker "Good Game". The AF linebacker told him to F-off. That was one case where a player should have run off the field immediately after the game.

[Mick]

[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=17486.msg202767#msg202767 date=1506357073]
It is the easiest thing in the world to judge a twenty-year-old kid on standards that many adults don't follow. I understand and value sportsmanship, and it's something I preach to the kids I coach -- but I completely understand why Rosen might've just wanted to get the heck outta Dodge. In fact, I often look at those post game scenes with kids from both teams milling about and chatting with each other amiably when only minutes before they were pounding each other, and I wonder how they do it. (And by the way, ever notice which conversation is often the shortest -- the one between the head coaches, the two adults, who often go in for the obligatory handshake without breaking stride.)

You don't have to like Josh Rosen, but you probably shouldn't bury him because he didn't shake anyone's hand in the moments following what might've been the greatest athletic disappointment of his life.

"What's your deal??" is one of the great moments in Stanford football history and one of the great encounters between two adults ever caught on video.
[/quote]
What's Your Deal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeS3VeluAmg

Carroll looooooooves to beat Harbaugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1HZTCVUbM0

Best post-game handshake, NFL division:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-acD_VGqcBg

Harbaugh's top 10 tantrums, none from Stanford:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMd6Fv6OKfM

[Mick]

[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=17486.msg202767#msg202767 date=1506357073]
It is the easiest thing in the world to judge a twenty-year-old kid on standards that many adults don't follow. I understand and value sportsmanship, and it's something I preach to the kids I coach -- but I completely understand why Rosen might've just wanted to get the heck outta Dodge. In fact, I often look at those post game scenes with kids from both teams milling about and chatting with each other amiably when only minutes before they were pounding each other, and I wonder how they do it. (And by the way, ever notice which conversation is often the shortest -- the one between the head coaches, the two adults, who often go in for the obligatory handshake without breaking stride.)

You don't have to like Josh Rosen, but you probably shouldn't bury him because he didn't shake anyone's hand in the moments following what might've been the greatest athletic disappointment of his life.

"What's your deal??" is one of the great moments in Stanford football history and one of the great encounters between two adults ever caught on video.
[/quote]
What's Your Deal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeS3VeluAmg

Carroll looooooooves to beat Harbaugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1HZTCVUbM0

Best post-game handshake, NFL division:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-acD_VGqcBg

Harbaugh's top 10 tantrums, none from Stanford:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMd6Fv6OKfM

[Mick]

Supposedly Rosen wanted to start as a freshman.  He wanted to enroll early, which he did at UCLA.  he was a five star QB rated best in the nation.  His rating crept up every year, currently 161.9.  He has a love-hate relationship with Mora.  Read this article, and I think you might get a sense as to why Shaw backed off:
http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/print?id=89984

[Mick]

Supposedly Rosen wanted to start as a freshman.  He wanted to enroll early, which he did at UCLA.  he was a five star QB rated best in the nation.  His rating crept up every year, currently 161.9.  He has a love-hate relationship with Mora.  Read this article, and I think you might get a sense as to why Shaw backed off:
http://www.espn.com/blog/pac12/print?id=89984

[teejers1]

Not doing a post-game handshake is weak.  But how about refraining from branding the kid as "a punk" for this action after (another) disappointing loss.

And really folks, how would you feel if you were All World in a given sport (top-rated recruit in the nation at your position); excelled in high school (4.0+ average); had a sibling at Stanford; made it known that Stanford was where you wanted to go; and then have the coach of your sport say 'we don't want you, you're too arrogant!"  [And Shaw has made it public, per a recent interview of Dave Flemming on KNBR].

http://www.knbr.com/murph-mac-podcast-pr...-commerce/

(see 9/21 interview, near end at 13:30 mark)

Are you freaking kidding me?  Who is the adult and who is the petulant child?  I'd be pissed if I were Rosen (or a family member of his).

Coach Shaw has every right to extend offers to whomever he believes will help the team, and refrain from extending offers for same reasons.  But why trash a kid you don't offer?

P.S.  Some folks think if Jameis Winston (whom Shaw offered and who was admitted) came to Stanford he wouldn't have had the behavioral issues he did at FSU, given the environment on The Farm.  Does the same not hold for Rosen (whose conduct, btw, is nowhere near as low as that of Winston)?

P.P.S.  Agree with Treesandbirds' post below, too.  Rosen's comments on college and D1 sports were provocative, but hardly ill-informed.  What was Shaw's admonition to players?  If you're going to opine about something in the press or social media, be informed about it.

[teejers1]

Not doing a post-game handshake is weak.  But how about refraining from branding the kid as "a punk" for this action after (another) disappointing loss.

And really folks, how would you feel if you were All World in a given sport (top-rated recruit in the nation at your position); excelled in high school (4.0+ average); had a sibling at Stanford; made it known that Stanford was where you wanted to go; and then have the coach of your sport say 'we don't want you, you're too arrogant!"  [And Shaw has made it public, per a recent interview of Dave Flemming on KNBR].

http://www.knbr.com/murph-mac-podcast-pr...-commerce/

(see 9/21 interview, near end at 13:30 mark)

Are you freaking kidding me?  Who is the adult and who is the petulant child?  I'd be pissed if I were Rosen (or a family member of his).

Coach Shaw has every right to extend offers to whomever he believes will help the team, and refrain from extending offers for same reasons.  But why trash a kid you don't offer?

P.S.  Some folks think if Jameis Winston (whom Shaw offered and who was admitted) came to Stanford he wouldn't have had the behavioral issues he did at FSU, given the environment on The Farm.  Does the same not hold for Rosen (whose conduct, btw, is nowhere near as low as that of Winston)?

P.P.S.  Agree with Treesandbirds' post below, too.  Rosen's comments on college and D1 sports were provocative, but hardly ill-informed.  What was Shaw's admonition to players?  If you're going to opine about something in the press or social media, be informed about it.

[TreesAndBirds]

Not doing a post-game handshake is weak.  But how about refraining from branding the kid as "a punk" for this action after (another) disappointing loss.

And really folks, how would you feel if you were All World in a given sport (top-rated recruit in the nation at your position); excelled in high school (4.0+ average); had a sibling at Stanford; made it known that Stanford was where you wanted to go; and then have the coach of your sport say 'we don't want you, you're too arrogant!"  [And Shaw has made it public, per a recent interview of Dave Flemming on KNBR].

http://www.knbr.com/murph-mac-podcast-pr...-commerce/

(see 9/21 interview, near end at 13:30 mark)

Are you freaking kidding me?  Who is the adult and who is the petulant child?  I'd be pissed if I were Rosen (or a family member of his).

Coach Shaw has every right to extend offers to whomever he believes will help the team, and refrain from extending offers for same reasons.  But why trash a kid you don't offer?

P.S.  Some folks think if Jameis Winston (who Shaw offered and was admitted) came to Stanford he wouldn't have had the behavioral issues he did at FSU, given the environment on The Farm.  Does the same not hold for Rosen (whose conduct, btw, is nowhere near as low as that of Winston).

+1

I also was surprised that Shaw implicitly criticized Rosen's comments on sports and academics ( I think it was in an article in the Merc but not sure). Stanford is of course special and Shaw does a great job in this regard, but as a general matter Rosen at a minimum brought up an important issue, and one that is probably more important to his teammates with less likelihood of making it to the NFL than it is to him.

It is an odd couple, but I see some similarities between Rosen and Sherman. Talented, intelligent, thoughtful, outspoken, but sometimes I wish they both had more of a filter. I think Rosen rubs more people wrong because he had many more advantages in life.

[TreesAndBirds]

Not doing a post-game handshake is weak.  But how about refraining from branding the kid as "a punk" for this action after (another) disappointing loss.

And really folks, how would you feel if you were All World in a given sport (top-rated recruit in the nation at your position); excelled in high school (4.0+ average); had a sibling at Stanford; made it known that Stanford was where you wanted to go; and then have the coach of your sport say 'we don't want you, you're too arrogant!"  [And Shaw has made it public, per a recent interview of Dave Flemming on KNBR].

http://www.knbr.com/murph-mac-podcast-pr...-commerce/

(see 9/21 interview, near end at 13:30 mark)

Are you freaking kidding me?  Who is the adult and who is the petulant child?  I'd be pissed if I were Rosen (or a family member of his).

Coach Shaw has every right to extend offers to whomever he believes will help the team, and refrain from extending offers for same reasons.  But why trash a kid you don't offer?

P.S.  Some folks think if Jameis Winston (who Shaw offered and was admitted) came to Stanford he wouldn't have had the behavioral issues he did at FSU, given the environment on The Farm.  Does the same not hold for Rosen (whose conduct, btw, is nowhere near as low as that of Winston).

+1

I also was surprised that Shaw implicitly criticized Rosen's comments on sports and academics ( I think it was in an article in the Merc but not sure). Stanford is of course special and Shaw does a great job in this regard, but as a general matter Rosen at a minimum brought up an important issue, and one that is probably more important to his teammates with less likelihood of making it to the NFL than it is to him.

It is an odd couple, but I see some similarities between Rosen and Sherman. Talented, intelligent, thoughtful, outspoken, but sometimes I wish they both had more of a filter. I think Rosen rubs more people wrong because he had many more advantages in life.

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

After reading the posts of this thread I am curious as to whether there is any evidence Rosen even wanted to attend Stanford ?
As far as I know , regardless of whichever schools offered him a scholarship, he always wanted to play for UCLA.

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

After reading the posts of this thread I am curious as to whether there is any evidence Rosen even wanted to attend Stanford ?
As far as I know , regardless of whichever schools offered him a scholarship, he always wanted to play for UCLA.