10-18-2017, 01:41 PM
http://stanford_ftp.sidearmsports.com/My...isonWarren
Stanford's first recruited Black Football playerÂ
Stanford's first recruited Black Football playerÂ
Wow quite a story
http://stanford_ftp.sidearmsports.com/My...isonWarren
Stanford's first recruited Black Football playerÂ
Stanford's first recruited Black Football playerÂ
10-18-2017, 02:19 PM
Great story, it's too bad he never really got a chance to play, but it sounds like it worked out all right in the end.
10-18-2017, 04:16 PM
Thank You, Bob, one of the best pieces I have read in a while.
It makes me proud to read that Stanford appears to have been somewhat ahead of its time during Mr. Warren's tenure. He seems to have received genuine support from the university, his coaches, teammates and fellow students. The entire Delt house episode is tremendous.
It makes me proud to read that Stanford appears to have been somewhat ahead of its time during Mr. Warren's tenure. He seems to have received genuine support from the university, his coaches, teammates and fellow students. The entire Delt house episode is tremendous.
Thank You, Bob, one of the best pieces I have read in a while.
It makes me proud to read that Stanford appears to have been somewhat ahead of its time during Mr. Warren's tenure. He seems to have received genuine support from the university, his coaches, teammates and fellow students. The entire Delt house episode is tremendous.
It makes me proud to read that Stanford appears to have been somewhat ahead of its time during Mr. Warren's tenure. He seems to have received genuine support from the university, his coaches, teammates and fellow students. The entire Delt house episode is tremendous.
10-18-2017, 06:58 PM
(10-18-2017, 04:16 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Thank You, Bob, one of the best pieces I have read in a while.
It makes me proud to read that Stanford appears to have been somewhat ahead of its time during Mr. Warren's tenure. He seems to have received genuine support from the university, his coaches, teammates and fellow students. The entire Delt house episode is tremendous.
+1
Thanks for sharing, Bob.
(10-18-2017, 04:16 PM)DC 86 link Wrote:Thank You, Bob, one of the best pieces I have read in a while.
It makes me proud to read that Stanford appears to have been somewhat ahead of its time during Mr. Warren's tenure. He seems to have received genuine support from the university, his coaches, teammates and fellow students. The entire Delt house episode is tremendous.
+1
Thanks for sharing, Bob.
10-19-2017, 04:17 AM
(10-18-2017, 02:19 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:Great story, it's too bad he never really got a chance to play, but it sounds like it worked out all right in the end.
The 40-year decision was valid even 50+ years ago.
10-19-2017, 09:19 AM
That is a great story. The information about Walsh being an assistant for Ralston in the early 60s, and being chiefly responsible for starting a pipeline of recruiting for black athletes--that is fascinating and completely new to me. While I was aware that Walsh was highly progressive with race relations later in his career--and was close to Harry Edwards--I had no idea that this started so much earlier in his career, or the way it set the foundation for the two Rose Bowl teams.
That is a great story. The information about Walsh being an assistant for Ralston in the early 60s, and being chiefly responsible for starting a pipeline of recruiting for black athletes--that is fascinating and completely new to me. While I was aware that Walsh was highly progressive with race relations later in his career--and was close to Harry Edwards--I had no idea that this started so much earlier in his career, or the way it set the foundation for the two Rose Bowl teams.
10-19-2017, 10:50 AM
I passed Bob's article around on our work bulletin board and one of my colleagues wrote me about her cousin who is making a film about what I'm told was the first fully integrated college football team-Michigan State in the early 60s. The film is in post production, but here is a clip. The filmmaker's dad is Gene Washington ( but not our GW).
http://www.throughthebanksoftheredcedar.com/
http://www.throughthebanksoftheredcedar.com/
I passed Bob's article around on our work bulletin board and one of my colleagues wrote me about her cousin who is making a film about what I'm told was the first fully integrated college football team-Michigan State in the early 60s. The film is in post production, but here is a clip. The filmmaker's dad is Gene Washington ( but not our GW).
http://www.throughthebanksoftheredcedar.com/
http://www.throughthebanksoftheredcedar.com/
10-19-2017, 11:52 AM
(10-19-2017, 11:27 AM)BobK link Wrote:Hard to beat the ucla teams of the late 1930s.Â
Robinson
Washington
Stode
Brief article I just found about those guys.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/jac...yi4cfgmrw9
Thanks Bob for posting. Great article. A bit of a shame we were so far behind UCLA, but glad we were still at least somewhat ahead of the curve. The frat story was really good.
(10-19-2017, 11:27 AM)BobK link Wrote:Hard to beat the ucla teams of the late 1930s.Â
Robinson
Washington
Stode
Brief article I just found about those guys.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/jac...yi4cfgmrw9
Thanks Bob for posting. Great article. A bit of a shame we were so far behind UCLA, but glad we were still at least somewhat ahead of the curve. The frat story was really good.
10-19-2017, 12:35 PM
Just to be clear, the movie isnt claiming that MSt was the first integrated team, but rather the first fully integrated team, with as many as 20 Black players. Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship. MSt went on to be #1 in at least one poll in 1965 and had 4 of the first 8 NFL draft picks a couple years later. For more info...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html
Just to be clear, the movie isnt claiming that MSt was the first integrated team, but rather the first fully integrated team, with as many as 20 Black players. Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship. MSt went on to be #1 in at least one poll in 1965 and had 4 of the first 8 NFL draft picks a couple years later. For more info...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html
10-19-2017, 05:54 PM
(10-19-2017, 12:35 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
(10-19-2017, 12:35 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
10-19-2017, 08:30 PM
(10-19-2017, 05:54 PM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=17727.msg207095#msg207095 date=1508441708]
Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
[/quote]
That doesn't preclude what he said.
(10-19-2017, 05:54 PM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=17727.msg207095#msg207095 date=1508441708]
Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
[/quote]
That doesn't preclude what he said.
10-19-2017, 08:44 PM
(10-19-2017, 08:30 PM)French Rage link Wrote:[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=17727.msg207106#msg207106 date=1508460880]
[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=17727.msg207095#msg207095 date=1508441708]
Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
[/quote]
That doesn't preclude what he said.
[/quote]
Loyola (Chicago) was actually the first team to significantly break racial barriers in college basketball. In 1961 they routinely started four black players; until then teams adhered to a "gentlemen's agreement" to restrict the number of black starters. In 1962 they became the first D-I team to play an all black lineup. In 1963 they won the NCAA title while starting four black players in every game of the tournament. The team that they defeated (Cincinnati) started three black players in the championship game, so 7/10 starters were black.
In 1966 Texas Western (now UTEP) indeed made history by starting five black players in the NCAA championship game that they won.
(10-19-2017, 08:30 PM)French Rage link Wrote:[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=17727.msg207106#msg207106 date=1508460880]
[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=17727.msg207095#msg207095 date=1508441708]
Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
[/quote]
That doesn't preclude what he said.
[/quote]
Loyola (Chicago) was actually the first team to significantly break racial barriers in college basketball. In 1961 they routinely started four black players; until then teams adhered to a "gentlemen's agreement" to restrict the number of black starters. In 1962 they became the first D-I team to play an all black lineup. In 1963 they won the NCAA title while starting four black players in every game of the tournament. The team that they defeated (Cincinnati) started three black players in the championship game, so 7/10 starters were black.
In 1966 Texas Western (now UTEP) indeed made history by starting five black players in the NCAA championship game that they won.
10-19-2017, 10:10 PM
(10-19-2017, 08:30 PM)French Rage link Wrote:[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=17727.msg207106#msg207106 date=1508460880]
[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=17727.msg207095#msg207095 date=1508441708]
Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
[/quote]
That doesn't preclude what he said.
[/quote]
True enough. Good thing I'm not a lawyer.
(10-19-2017, 08:30 PM)French Rage link Wrote:[quote author=CowboyIndian link=topic=17727.msg207106#msg207106 date=1508460880]
[quote author=TreesAndBirds link=topic=17727.msg207095#msg207095 date=1508441708]
Kind of like UTEP (Glory Road) wasnt the first team with Black players, but the first majority Black team to win the NcAA bball championship.
Not "majority". FIVE starters!
[/quote]
That doesn't preclude what he said.
[/quote]
True enough. Good thing I'm not a lawyer.
10-20-2017, 08:10 AM
interesting tidbit from a story about the team:
"Texas Western players remember Pat Riley, a Kentucky star, coming into their locker room afterward to congratulate the Miners."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...-at-first/
"Texas Western players remember Pat Riley, a Kentucky star, coming into their locker room afterward to congratulate the Miners."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...-at-first/
interesting tidbit from a story about the team:
"Texas Western players remember Pat Riley, a Kentucky star, coming into their locker room afterward to congratulate the Miners."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...-at-first/
"Texas Western players remember Pat Riley, a Kentucky star, coming into their locker room afterward to congratulate the Miners."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...-at-first/
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