[Mick]

http://www.newsweek.com/women-medicine-f...ues-615023

Obviously sports isn't the only area where this sort of issue exists. My wife (also a physician) and my female colleagues deal with this sort of thing routinely. Mostly it's being thought of as a nurse by a patient, but being referred to by first name rather than title and last name happens much more frequently for her than me. From other physicians and ancillary staff, less often patients.

I don't think anyone referred to Nurse Ratched by her first name.  I'm not sure she has a first name...

[Mick]

http://www.newsweek.com/women-medicine-f...ues-615023

Obviously sports isn't the only area where this sort of issue exists. My wife (also a physician) and my female colleagues deal with this sort of thing routinely. Mostly it's being thought of as a nurse by a patient, but being referred to by first name rather than title and last name happens much more frequently for her than me. From other physicians and ancillary staff, less often patients.

I don't think anyone referred to Nurse Ratched by her first name.  I'm not sure she has a first name...

[Mick]

It seems to me that golf and tennis names are heavily influenced by the fact that the total number of serious competitors is fairly small and that there is always a color commentator present who knows (or wants us to think he knows) the competitors personally. Thus the use of first names by that commentator is "natural", and spills over into the "play by play" coverage.
It is also certainly true that some athletes get the first name reference and others don't. It was always "Marris and Mantle". "Koufax and Drysdale", "Ruth and Gehrig", "Spahn and Sain (and pray for rain)", "Tanana and Ryan (and two days of cryin)" but it was Casey and Yogi. Same sport, different treatments.

Might also be because in a male sport like baseball and football, there aren't a lot of first names among the 18 or 22 players who might be on the field.  I recall at one point, three of the four Giants' infielders had the first name Brandon (Belt, Crawford, Hicks).

And it might be the high school PE coach militarization technique.  Every PE coach I ever had sounded like a frustrated drill sargeant.

[Mick]

It seems to me that golf and tennis names are heavily influenced by the fact that the total number of serious competitors is fairly small and that there is always a color commentator present who knows (or wants us to think he knows) the competitors personally. Thus the use of first names by that commentator is "natural", and spills over into the "play by play" coverage.
It is also certainly true that some athletes get the first name reference and others don't. It was always "Marris and Mantle". "Koufax and Drysdale", "Ruth and Gehrig", "Spahn and Sain (and pray for rain)", "Tanana and Ryan (and two days of cryin)" but it was Casey and Yogi. Same sport, different treatments.

Might also be because in a male sport like baseball and football, there aren't a lot of first names among the 18 or 22 players who might be on the field.  I recall at one point, three of the four Giants' infielders had the first name Brandon (Belt, Crawford, Hicks).

And it might be the high school PE coach militarization technique.  Every PE coach I ever had sounded like a frustrated drill sargeant.

[Mick]

[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=17823.msg209188#msg209188 date=1509322022]
[quote author=Publius link=topic=17823.msg209182#msg209182 date=1509321621]Guys tend to call each other by their last name generally, probably because of sports.

In some circumstances, maybe. But I know basically no one who does this. In fact I don't think I've ever known someone who primarily called someone by their last names. The only circumstances I can think of it applying are sports and some TV shows.
[/quote]

I do it. I call about a third of my best guy friends by their last names. Several reasons for this, including some awesome last names, and multiple friends in the same friend group with the same first name. And lots of my friends, male and female, call me by either only my last name or just first initial and last name (it has a ring to it, apparently, because I've been getting called it since freshman year at Stanford). Otoh, a number of my friends and I also call a few of our female friends by their last names, again, where the last name is just a better/cooler name to say. (All with permission, of course). I like the practice where it's appropriate - I think it conveys an intimacy of friendship.
[/quote]

I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do.

[Mick]

[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=17823.msg209188#msg209188 date=1509322022]
[quote author=Publius link=topic=17823.msg209182#msg209182 date=1509321621]Guys tend to call each other by their last name generally, probably because of sports.

In some circumstances, maybe. But I know basically no one who does this. In fact I don't think I've ever known someone who primarily called someone by their last names. The only circumstances I can think of it applying are sports and some TV shows.
[/quote]

I do it. I call about a third of my best guy friends by their last names. Several reasons for this, including some awesome last names, and multiple friends in the same friend group with the same first name. And lots of my friends, male and female, call me by either only my last name or just first initial and last name (it has a ring to it, apparently, because I've been getting called it since freshman year at Stanford). Otoh, a number of my friends and I also call a few of our female friends by their last names, again, where the last name is just a better/cooler name to say. (All with permission, of course). I like the practice where it's appropriate - I think it conveys an intimacy of friendship.
[/quote]

I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do.

[CornFed]

"I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do."

I don't know, Mick.  I suspect that I'm at least as old as you, and easily half of my guy friends and a handful of my gal friends are referred to by last names, or some variation (K-boy, Walk-man, Sugs (pronounced "Shoogs")

[CornFed]

"I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do."

I don't know, Mick.  I suspect that I'm at least as old as you, and easily half of my guy friends and a handful of my gal friends are referred to by last names, or some variation (K-boy, Walk-man, Sugs (pronounced "Shoogs")

[Redrum]

I can't speak for why the public referred to Hillary Clinton as "Hillary",  but it was Clinton's campaign braintrust that chose to bill her as "Hillary" rather than "Clinton". They sure churned out millions of Hillary signs and it might be presumed that it was done to let her stand on her own identity rather than be associated with her husband.  This choice made sense from a personal-identity/branding sense and possibly an assessment that the "Clinton" tag was not entirely positive.  And, though we don't know for a fact its true, it's probably logical to assume that Hillary Clinton had a say in which billing she wanted before the public.

Also, if campaign event coverage is to be believed, those crowds at rallies were not chanting "Clinton...Clinton...Clinton"... the wisdom of the herd chose "Hil-la-ry...Hil-la-ry." 

[Redrum]

I can't speak for why the public referred to Hillary Clinton as "Hillary",  but it was Clinton's campaign braintrust that chose to bill her as "Hillary" rather than "Clinton". They sure churned out millions of Hillary signs and it might be presumed that it was done to let her stand on her own identity rather than be associated with her husband.  This choice made sense from a personal-identity/branding sense and possibly an assessment that the "Clinton" tag was not entirely positive.  And, though we don't know for a fact its true, it's probably logical to assume that Hillary Clinton had a say in which billing she wanted before the public.

Also, if campaign event coverage is to be believed, those crowds at rallies were not chanting "Clinton...Clinton...Clinton"... the wisdom of the herd chose "Hil-la-ry...Hil-la-ry." 

[Mick]

I can't speak for why the public referred to Hillary Clinton as "Hillary",  but it was Clinton's campaign braintrust that chose to bill her as "Hillary" rather than "Clinton". They sure churned out millions of Hillary signs and it might be presumed that it was done to let her stand on her own identity rather than be associated with her husband.  This choice made sense from a personal-identity/branding sense and possibly an assessment that the "Clinton" tag was not entirely positive.  And, though we don't know for a fact its true, it's probably logical to assume that Hillary Clinton had a say in which billing she wanted before the public.

Also, if campaign event coverage is to be believed, those crowds at rallies were not chanting "Clinton...Clinton...Clinton"... the wisdom of the herd chose "Hil-la-ry...Hil-la-ry."

A friend of mine who knows the Podestas quite well stated that Hillary was chosen as the identified (a) to humanize her with the first name, (b) to separate her from Bill Clinton, © to emphasize that she was a woman running for President for those who considered gender a primary voting factor.

[Mick]

I can't speak for why the public referred to Hillary Clinton as "Hillary",  but it was Clinton's campaign braintrust that chose to bill her as "Hillary" rather than "Clinton". They sure churned out millions of Hillary signs and it might be presumed that it was done to let her stand on her own identity rather than be associated with her husband.  This choice made sense from a personal-identity/branding sense and possibly an assessment that the "Clinton" tag was not entirely positive.  And, though we don't know for a fact its true, it's probably logical to assume that Hillary Clinton had a say in which billing she wanted before the public.

Also, if campaign event coverage is to be believed, those crowds at rallies were not chanting "Clinton...Clinton...Clinton"... the wisdom of the herd chose "Hil-la-ry...Hil-la-ry."

A friend of mine who knows the Podestas quite well stated that Hillary was chosen as the identified (a) to humanize her with the first name, (b) to separate her from Bill Clinton, © to emphasize that she was a woman running for President for those who considered gender a primary voting factor.

[Goose]

"I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do."

I don't know, Mick.  I suspect that I'm at least as old as you, and easily half of my guy friends and a handful of my gal friends are referred to by last names, or some variation (K-boy, Walk-man, Sugs (pronounced "Shoogs")

I am probably in a similar age group. After thinking about it, the usage I use/hear from guy friends is a little inconsistent, even for the same individual. If one addresses a person directly, it will almost always be a first name reference if you know them well, but a Mr./Ms. last name if you do not . Third person references to guys are almost always last name. However, third person references to women are almost always first name if unambiguous, or full name if required. This is true even when the people involved have the same job function and/or the same relationship to the speaker. If the woman has an honorific however, it will be used with a last name. Interestingly, men with honorifics sometimes get the first name reference. ("Dr. Ralph says..."). If I want to make a point to a guy, I will almost certainly use his last name, even if talking to him in person, but I probably wouldn't do that addressing a woman. If I  REALLY want to make a point, I will use Mr./Ms. last name.
I have worked with some married couples. I refer to the men by last name and the women by first name almost without exception, sometimes in the same sentence! No idea where that comes from.

[Goose]

"I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do."

I don't know, Mick.  I suspect that I'm at least as old as you, and easily half of my guy friends and a handful of my gal friends are referred to by last names, or some variation (K-boy, Walk-man, Sugs (pronounced "Shoogs")

I am probably in a similar age group. After thinking about it, the usage I use/hear from guy friends is a little inconsistent, even for the same individual. If one addresses a person directly, it will almost always be a first name reference if you know them well, but a Mr./Ms. last name if you do not . Third person references to guys are almost always last name. However, third person references to women are almost always first name if unambiguous, or full name if required. This is true even when the people involved have the same job function and/or the same relationship to the speaker. If the woman has an honorific however, it will be used with a last name. Interestingly, men with honorifics sometimes get the first name reference. ("Dr. Ralph says..."). If I want to make a point to a guy, I will almost certainly use his last name, even if talking to him in person, but I probably wouldn't do that addressing a woman. If I  REALLY want to make a point, I will use Mr./Ms. last name.
I have worked with some married couples. I refer to the men by last name and the women by first name almost without exception, sometimes in the same sentence! No idea where that comes from.

[M T]

I believe the original post was about how we reference individuals, not how we address them.

While avoiding ambiguity is, I think, the final arbiter of how we reference others, I suspect we adopt to what we hear others do.  My personal opinion is that we should address others as they wish to be addressed, but refer to people as we perceive the hearer(s) to know the referenced person.

Obviously, in our birth family, we are addressed & referenced by our first names.  I don't think that we would think of that as disrespect or unwarranted familiarity.  Indeed, if your parent addresses you with your full name, you probably are getting special notice for some reason.

I go by a very unusual name, and my last name was uncommon as I grew up (alas, not so now).  (In the 1960s) I recall that in 10th grade a Phys Ed teacher (his specialty was baseball) would address & refer to us by last name, which burned him when he had to announce my name in an awards ceremony.  He showed his unfamiliarity with me by garbling it.

Most written records of individuals (in the US at least) key off the last name.  As we transition out of the small enclaves of which we are a part as children, we are identified more by written records.  I believe this to be one of the reasons why you would be addressed by last name in, say, the Army.

Outside of the Navy, I'm not sure of a purpose for "Mr." except for distinguishing husband & wife when you may be speaking of either.  But to my ears, it sounds softer to address someone as "Mr. Smith" than just "Smith".  Yet, when referring to them in 3rd person to an unknown hearer, I am more comfortable referring to "Ledecky" or "Phelps" than "Ms. (or Miss) Ledecky" or "Mr. Phelps", while I would probably choose the latter to address them.  Yet, on the Cardboard, after establishing the set of people I am talking about, I would not have any concern about using the more familiar name ("Katie" or "Michael").

As I was a swimmer, I am most familiar with how swimmers were referenced since 1960.  Whether in TV coverage, in print, at meets, or in conversations, I virtually always heard individuals of each gender referred to by their last names.  It was Schollander, not Don;  de Varona, not Donna.  When addressed, I believe first names (or, rather, the name by which people went, e.g. "Sippy") were always used.

I have a PhD & work with a group that is largely composed of PhDs.  In every-day work situations, we never use "Dr." to introduce someone, unless there is a strong reason to (perhaps introducing someone to a customer, or introducing an unknown speaker to a group).  Even when transitioning between speakers (male or female) at project-related workshops, we use someone's name, not their title.  But that is our field, YMMV.

[M T]

I believe the original post was about how we reference individuals, not how we address them.

While avoiding ambiguity is, I think, the final arbiter of how we reference others, I suspect we adopt to what we hear others do.  My personal opinion is that we should address others as they wish to be addressed, but refer to people as we perceive the hearer(s) to know the referenced person.

Obviously, in our birth family, we are addressed & referenced by our first names.  I don't think that we would think of that as disrespect or unwarranted familiarity.  Indeed, if your parent addresses you with your full name, you probably are getting special notice for some reason.

I go by a very unusual name, and my last name was uncommon as I grew up (alas, not so now).  (In the 1960s) I recall that in 10th grade a Phys Ed teacher (his specialty was baseball) would address & refer to us by last name, which burned him when he had to announce my name in an awards ceremony.  He showed his unfamiliarity with me by garbling it.

Most written records of individuals (in the US at least) key off the last name.  As we transition out of the small enclaves of which we are a part as children, we are identified more by written records.  I believe this to be one of the reasons why you would be addressed by last name in, say, the Army.

Outside of the Navy, I'm not sure of a purpose for "Mr." except for distinguishing husband & wife when you may be speaking of either.  But to my ears, it sounds softer to address someone as "Mr. Smith" than just "Smith".  Yet, when referring to them in 3rd person to an unknown hearer, I am more comfortable referring to "Ledecky" or "Phelps" than "Ms. (or Miss) Ledecky" or "Mr. Phelps", while I would probably choose the latter to address them.  Yet, on the Cardboard, after establishing the set of people I am talking about, I would not have any concern about using the more familiar name ("Katie" or "Michael").

As I was a swimmer, I am most familiar with how swimmers were referenced since 1960.  Whether in TV coverage, in print, at meets, or in conversations, I virtually always heard individuals of each gender referred to by their last names.  It was Schollander, not Don;  de Varona, not Donna.  When addressed, I believe first names (or, rather, the name by which people went, e.g. "Sippy") were always used.

I have a PhD & work with a group that is largely composed of PhDs.  In every-day work situations, we never use "Dr." to introduce someone, unless there is a strong reason to (perhaps introducing someone to a customer, or introducing an unknown speaker to a group).  Even when transitioning between speakers (male or female) at project-related workshops, we use someone's name, not their title.  But that is our field, YMMV.

[2006alum]

"I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do."

I don't know, Mick.  I suspect that I'm at least as old as you, and easily half of my guy friends and a handful of my gal friends are referred to by last names, or some variation (K-boy, Walk-man, Sugs (pronounced "Shoogs")

Maybe I have a weird group of friends. Two friends of mine who are a couple (man and women) call each other by nickname versions of their last name. It's pretty cute, and their last names are both pretty memorable. Almost all of us call the two Ryans in our friend group by only their last names, including when addressing them directly. Most people in that friend group also address me by just my last name. Maybe we're weird, who knows. The point is only that while this happens more with men, it happens with women too, and I actually think it shows closer friendship to do it, because it would be really weird to do so if you didn't know they went by it. (and maybe the syndrome spreads once a significant portion of a friend group is referred to by their last name).

Tl;dr - I agree that the best answer is, "whatever they want to be called."

[2006alum]

"I don't know any guy who calls any other guy chiefly by their last name, unless it's a monosyllabic derivation thereof; e.g., "Stapleton" is known as "Stapes."  But I'm as old as the hills, I don't know what the young kids do."

I don't know, Mick.  I suspect that I'm at least as old as you, and easily half of my guy friends and a handful of my gal friends are referred to by last names, or some variation (K-boy, Walk-man, Sugs (pronounced "Shoogs")

Maybe I have a weird group of friends. Two friends of mine who are a couple (man and women) call each other by nickname versions of their last name. It's pretty cute, and their last names are both pretty memorable. Almost all of us call the two Ryans in our friend group by only their last names, including when addressing them directly. Most people in that friend group also address me by just my last name. Maybe we're weird, who knows. The point is only that while this happens more with men, it happens with women too, and I actually think it shows closer friendship to do it, because it would be really weird to do so if you didn't know they went by it. (and maybe the syndrome spreads once a significant portion of a friend group is referred to by their last name).

Tl;dr - I agree that the best answer is, "whatever they want to be called."

[BostonCard]

I can't think of anyone I know reasonably well who I call by their last name.  My brother, on the other hand, is on a "familiar last name" basis with a lot of his friends/co-workers, and a lot of them address him by his last name.  I say "familiar last name" basis, because the last name is being used much as a first name would.  Not "Mr. X" but just "X".

We are only 3 years apart in age, but it seems like we are a generation apart in some ways.

BC

[BostonCard]

I can't think of anyone I know reasonably well who I call by their last name.  My brother, on the other hand, is on a "familiar last name" basis with a lot of his friends/co-workers, and a lot of them address him by his last name.  I say "familiar last name" basis, because the last name is being used much as a first name would.  Not "Mr. X" but just "X".

We are only 3 years apart in age, but it seems like we are a generation apart in some ways.

BC

[2006alum]

I say "familiar last name" basis, because the last name is being used much as a first name would.  Not "Mr. X" but just "X".

That's how my friends and I use it too. "Mr/Ms. X" would be super weird.

We are only 3 years apart in age, but it seems like we are a generation apart in some ways.

BC

I wonder if this is something more common among younger people? What's odd to me is that my experience was that this was pretty common at Stanford too - probably close to half of my friends called me by my last name at Stanford (more men than women, but some close female friends too). But maybe it's just having a unique and memorable last name and a really common first name? To this day, at reunions fully half of people I catch up with, including 3 of my college roommates, still address me by my last name only. (And I wasn't an athlete or in a frat.)

[2006alum]

I say "familiar last name" basis, because the last name is being used much as a first name would.  Not "Mr. X" but just "X".

That's how my friends and I use it too. "Mr/Ms. X" would be super weird.

We are only 3 years apart in age, but it seems like we are a generation apart in some ways.

BC

I wonder if this is something more common among younger people? What's odd to me is that my experience was that this was pretty common at Stanford too - probably close to half of my friends called me by my last name at Stanford (more men than women, but some close female friends too). But maybe it's just having a unique and memorable last name and a really common first name? To this day, at reunions fully half of people I catch up with, including 3 of my college roommates, still address me by my last name only. (And I wasn't an athlete or in a frat.)

[ColoradoTree]

I definitely do this when I write about the head coach of our women's tennis team (it's always "Lele" and not "Coach Forood"), but I do that not out of any sort of minimization of her incredible accomplishments, or some subconscious effort to deny her title or the respect she's due, but because that's how her players refer to her.  Since that's what everyone seems to call her, I followed suit. 

[ColoradoTree]

I definitely do this when I write about the head coach of our women's tennis team (it's always "Lele" and not "Coach Forood"), but I do that not out of any sort of minimization of her incredible accomplishments, or some subconscious effort to deny her title or the respect she's due, but because that's how her players refer to her.  Since that's what everyone seems to call her, I followed suit. 

[CrazedZooChimp]

Hmm, I'm trying to think about how I've referred to WBB and WVB players over the years, and while I do think I refer to more of them by first names than I have with men's players, it also seems to be largely tied to how long (or complicated, or unusual for a white american) the name is. Like, yeah, I call Tara Tara, but Vanderveer is way longer to type or say (but I don't recall ever referring to, for example, Pat Summit as Pat). With players, I certainly said Nneka instead of Oguwmike, or Foluke instead of Akinradewo, but I never referred to Cynthia Barboza as Cynthia or Nicole Powell as just Nicole. Maybe it's like with my friends, where I often default to a last name (or a nickname version of it) if it's easier or fun to say (Barboza is definitely fun to say).

There are also men's athletes that I definitely use the first name for when talking about them with my friends. Toby and Stepfan (of course, that's because I like pronouncing it wrong), or Robin and Brook back in the day. On the current football team I'll almost always say "JJ" or "Trenton" instead of Arcega-Whiteside or Irwin. No idea why (Arcega-Whiteside is long and Trenton is fun to say, maybe?). I actually refer to a decent number of professional athletes by their first name too (like Patty instead of Marleau).

So yeah, I have no idea why I do it one way or the other, and it seems I use first names more often with female players/coaches, but not exclusively.

Semi-related, I've been called by my last name by the vast majority of my friends (both male and female) since pretty much high school (including friends from completely different groups). Same with one of my brothers (which makes it confusing if we're in a group that mixes my friends and his friends), but not with my oldest brother. Maybe it's some weird age thing.

[CrazedZooChimp]

Hmm, I'm trying to think about how I've referred to WBB and WVB players over the years, and while I do think I refer to more of them by first names than I have with men's players, it also seems to be largely tied to how long (or complicated, or unusual for a white american) the name is. Like, yeah, I call Tara Tara, but Vanderveer is way longer to type or say (but I don't recall ever referring to, for example, Pat Summit as Pat). With players, I certainly said Nneka instead of Oguwmike, or Foluke instead of Akinradewo, but I never referred to Cynthia Barboza as Cynthia or Nicole Powell as just Nicole. Maybe it's like with my friends, where I often default to a last name (or a nickname version of it) if it's easier or fun to say (Barboza is definitely fun to say).

There are also men's athletes that I definitely use the first name for when talking about them with my friends. Toby and Stepfan (of course, that's because I like pronouncing it wrong), or Robin and Brook back in the day. On the current football team I'll almost always say "JJ" or "Trenton" instead of Arcega-Whiteside or Irwin. No idea why (Arcega-Whiteside is long and Trenton is fun to say, maybe?). I actually refer to a decent number of professional athletes by their first name too (like Patty instead of Marleau).

So yeah, I have no idea why I do it one way or the other, and it seems I use first names more often with female players/coaches, but not exclusively.

Semi-related, I've been called by my last name by the vast majority of my friends (both male and female) since pretty much high school (including friends from completely different groups). Same with one of my brothers (which makes it confusing if we're in a group that mixes my friends and his friends), but not with my oldest brother. Maybe it's some weird age thing.

[Stymie]

Question:

What do the WBB and WVB players have on the back of their jerseys/uniforms?

[Stymie]

Question:

What do the WBB and WVB players have on the back of their jerseys/uniforms?

[Stymie]

PS

I think that my subject line above was a subliminal retrospective back to my adolescence, which, if you listen closely might just be the answer as to our collective beliefs which we love or do not love vis a vis Stanford football.

Stymie

PPS-don't tune out until you hear the classic Philly do wops.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAPEfdjvTqE

[Stymie]

PS

I think that my subject line above was a subliminal retrospective back to my adolescence, which, if you listen closely might just be the answer as to our collective beliefs which we love or do not love vis a vis Stanford football.

Stymie

PPS-don't tune out until you hear the classic Philly do wops.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAPEfdjvTqE

[76lsjumb]

When it comes to the current men's basketball team, I always call Travis by his first name.

Wait, what...?

[76lsjumb]

When it comes to the current men's basketball team, I always call Travis by his first name.

Wait, what...?

[CompSci87]

Question:

What do the WBB and WVB players have on the back of their jerseys/uniforms?

WBB: Last name and number

WVB: Number only. That seems to be standard for WVB.

[CompSci87]

Question:

What do the WBB and WVB players have on the back of their jerseys/uniforms?

WBB: Last name and number

WVB: Number only. That seems to be standard for WVB.

[oldalum]

My best friends usually refer to me, directly and to others, by my last name preceded by an epithet. I wonder why that is?

[oldalum]

My best friends usually refer to me, directly and to others, by my last name preceded by an epithet. I wonder why that is?

[washingtonismoney]

My best friends usually refer to me, directly and to others, by my last name preceded by an epithet. I wonder why that is?

You're very well liked.

[washingtonismoney]

My best friends usually refer to me, directly and to others, by my last name preceded by an epithet. I wonder why that is?

You're very well liked.

[Mick]

[quote author=Stymie link=topic=17823.msg209341#msg209341 date=1509393822]
Question:

What do the WBB and WVB players have on the back of their jerseys/uniforms?

WBB: Last name and number

WVB: Number only. That seems to be standard for WVB.
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Number only is standard for baseball too, or was in the Marquess years.

[Mick]

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Question:

What do the WBB and WVB players have on the back of their jerseys/uniforms?

WBB: Last name and number

WVB: Number only. That seems to be standard for WVB.
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Number only is standard for baseball too, or was in the Marquess years.