[dabigv13]

Hmm, I guess the conference champ game is more the bogey for that particular scheduling annoyance. Well if I had my druthers we'd be rid of that too, but that's even less likely than dropping ND.

[dabigv13]

Hmm, I guess the conference champ game is more the bogey for that particular scheduling annoyance. Well if I had my druthers we'd be rid of that too, but that's even less likely than dropping ND.

[CTcard]

Hmm, I guess the conference champ game is more the bogey for that particular scheduling annoyance. Well if I had my druthers we'd be rid of that too, but that's even less likely than dropping ND.

Well, sort of.

The season used to end the weekend before Thanksgiving with Big Game as the grand finale.

Once the season was extended to Thanksgiving weekend, Stanford and Cal decided that maintaining the weeks worth of activities was more important than making Big Game the final game of the season. [Stanford was particularly adamant, as Stanford shuts down for the whole week and students being from all over tend to go far away.] That was the death knell for Big Game as season finale.

Of course seasons now extend to one week after Thanksgiving, and at least the Big 12 when they didn't have a championship game played regular season games that weekend. So, presumably in the fantasy world without a Pac 12 championship game, Big Game could move back to its rightful, if belated, place in the schedule.

[CTcard]

Hmm, I guess the conference champ game is more the bogey for that particular scheduling annoyance. Well if I had my druthers we'd be rid of that too, but that's even less likely than dropping ND.

Well, sort of.

The season used to end the weekend before Thanksgiving with Big Game as the grand finale.

Once the season was extended to Thanksgiving weekend, Stanford and Cal decided that maintaining the weeks worth of activities was more important than making Big Game the final game of the season. [Stanford was particularly adamant, as Stanford shuts down for the whole week and students being from all over tend to go far away.] That was the death knell for Big Game as season finale.

Of course seasons now extend to one week after Thanksgiving, and at least the Big 12 when they didn't have a championship game played regular season games that weekend. So, presumably in the fantasy world without a Pac 12 championship game, Big Game could move back to its rightful, if belated, place in the schedule.

[SUBuddha]

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I now tend to agree that Love will play if he can (different than my earlier hold-out assumption).  And while I think it will be a straightforward calculation for him - if he's good enough to give it a go, he will - there are other considerations that we fans can raise.

Bowl games.  My current belief is that there are only two paths to avoiding the Foster Farms Bowl:  beating SC in CCG; or beating Votre Dame, and hope that SC beats WSU in CCG.  And even in latter scenario, I'm not sure 9-3 Stanford will get the nod for the Holiday Bowl.

After listening to the press conference, I think he will play, as well. I also think the players think more of this rivalry than we older alumni do. I'm a little more sanguine about our bowl opportunities.
[/quote]
Yvonne, it also depends on the person. I have a very visceral hatred of all things Votre Dame. My father (a self-described recovering Catholic) raised me to believe "ןɐɔ is the Rival, U$C is Evil and the Irish are the Devil" (the school and fans, not the people of Ireland).

I am taking him to his first in-person game against the crying whyrish this weekend.
[/quote]

SUBuddha, I was treated well by the home N.otre Dame fans the two times I watched Stanford play in South Bend.  The Irish fans displayed fine midwestern hospitality and generosity.  Sort of the opposite of going to Berkeley for a game.  So please be a good host to the visitors.

But I am right there with you in my feelings about the Domers, the disproportionate attention they get from the media and the TV, conference and bowl rules written just for them (not to mention the Lizzie Seeberg and Declan Sullivan deaths).  The schadenfreude when Stanford beat N.otre Dame in 1990 was almost too much happiness, especially when Lou Holtz said "I'm one step from suicide" post game.  Here's hoping we see more red-faced disappointment from Brian Kelly on Saturday.
[/quote]
Spiny, I was raised to judge a person by actions not affiliation.

I actually almost got into a bit of an altercation with a current LSJU student after the UW game due to him assaulting/berating my UW friend in the men's room (quite literally pushed my life long friend while at the urinal and asked "how does it feel to get pissed on by a tree). I told him to show some class in victory.

The young buck bowed up on me and said "old man I do not think you are a true fan, I will kick you ass, don't wear a Stanford shirt and defend a puppy fan." It ended with him being dragged from the lavatory by a friend.

Moral is, we all have bad eggs, I have just seen more bad eggs at ND games in my brief 45 years on the planet than almost any other game environment.

[SUBuddha]

[quote author=SUBuddha link=topic=18009.msg214145#msg214145 date=1511302023]
[quote author=Yvonne link=topic=18009.msg214139#msg214139 date=1511298807]
[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=18009.msg214004#msg214004 date=1511224993]
I now tend to agree that Love will play if he can (different than my earlier hold-out assumption).  And while I think it will be a straightforward calculation for him - if he's good enough to give it a go, he will - there are other considerations that we fans can raise.

Bowl games.  My current belief is that there are only two paths to avoiding the Foster Farms Bowl:  beating SC in CCG; or beating Votre Dame, and hope that SC beats WSU in CCG.  And even in latter scenario, I'm not sure 9-3 Stanford will get the nod for the Holiday Bowl.

After listening to the press conference, I think he will play, as well. I also think the players think more of this rivalry than we older alumni do. I'm a little more sanguine about our bowl opportunities.
[/quote]
Yvonne, it also depends on the person. I have a very visceral hatred of all things Votre Dame. My father (a self-described recovering Catholic) raised me to believe "ןɐɔ is the Rival, U$C is Evil and the Irish are the Devil" (the school and fans, not the people of Ireland).

I am taking him to his first in-person game against the crying whyrish this weekend.
[/quote]

SUBuddha, I was treated well by the home N.otre Dame fans the two times I watched Stanford play in South Bend.  The Irish fans displayed fine midwestern hospitality and generosity.  Sort of the opposite of going to Berkeley for a game.  So please be a good host to the visitors.

But I am right there with you in my feelings about the Domers, the disproportionate attention they get from the media and the TV, conference and bowl rules written just for them (not to mention the Lizzie Seeberg and Declan Sullivan deaths).  The schadenfreude when Stanford beat N.otre Dame in 1990 was almost too much happiness, especially when Lou Holtz said "I'm one step from suicide" post game.  Here's hoping we see more red-faced disappointment from Brian Kelly on Saturday.
[/quote]
Spiny, I was raised to judge a person by actions not affiliation.

I actually almost got into a bit of an altercation with a current LSJU student after the UW game due to him assaulting/berating my UW friend in the men's room (quite literally pushed my life long friend while at the urinal and asked "how does it feel to get pissed on by a tree). I told him to show some class in victory.

The young buck bowed up on me and said "old man I do not think you are a true fan, I will kick you ass, don't wear a Stanford shirt and defend a puppy fan." It ended with him being dragged from the lavatory by a friend.

Moral is, we all have bad eggs, I have just seen more bad eggs at ND games in my brief 45 years on the planet than almost any other game environment.

[martyup]

I'm assuming that Stanford student was drunk because I cannot imagine someone sober could be so stupid and still have been accepted into Stanford.

[martyup]

I'm assuming that Stanford student was drunk because I cannot imagine someone sober could be so stupid and still have been accepted into Stanford.

[cardcrimson]

The ND game is a big deal. I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. Told him how much I enjoyed going to South Bend the last couple of years to watch Stanford beat the Irish. Without missing a beat, he countered, "I guess you haven't been going to the games in Palo Alto." Later that day in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics. Fun experience.

As for this week. Having even a gimpy Love will be brobdingnagian. brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian!

Some how, something gets lost in the ridiculous translation.

[cardcrimson]

The ND game is a big deal. I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. Told him how much I enjoyed going to South Bend the last couple of years to watch Stanford beat the Irish. Without missing a beat, he countered, "I guess you haven't been going to the games in Palo Alto." Later that day in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics. Fun experience.

As for this week. Having even a gimpy Love will be brobdingnagian. brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian, brobdingnagian!

Some how, something gets lost in the ridiculous translation.

[Snorlax94]

Spiny, I was raised to judge a person by actions not affiliation.

I actually almost got into a bit of an altercation with a current LSJU student after the UW game due to him assaulting/berating my UW friend in the men's room (quite literally pushed my life long friend while at the urinal and asked "how does it feel to get pissed on by a tree). I told him to show some class in victory.

The young buck bowed up on me and said "old man I do not think you are a true fan, I will kick you ass, don't wear a Stanford shirt and defend a puppy fan." It ended with him being dragged from the lavatory by a friend.

Moral is, we all have bad eggs, I have just seen more bad eggs at ND games in my brief 45 years on the planet than almost any other game environment.

SUBuddha, how do you know the person was s Stanford student? Outside of the Red Zone, I would guess most people in even the shady side are neither students not alums. And even someone in the Red Zone perhaps could have snuck in. For the past 10 years, Stanford has been the most consistently successful football team in California, so I think it attracts a lot of general football fans.

[Snorlax94]

Spiny, I was raised to judge a person by actions not affiliation.

I actually almost got into a bit of an altercation with a current LSJU student after the UW game due to him assaulting/berating my UW friend in the men's room (quite literally pushed my life long friend while at the urinal and asked "how does it feel to get pissed on by a tree). I told him to show some class in victory.

The young buck bowed up on me and said "old man I do not think you are a true fan, I will kick you ass, don't wear a Stanford shirt and defend a puppy fan." It ended with him being dragged from the lavatory by a friend.

Moral is, we all have bad eggs, I have just seen more bad eggs at ND games in my brief 45 years on the planet than almost any other game environment.

SUBuddha, how do you know the person was s Stanford student? Outside of the Red Zone, I would guess most people in even the shady side are neither students not alums. And even someone in the Red Zone perhaps could have snuck in. For the past 10 years, Stanford has been the most consistently successful football team in California, so I think it attracts a lot of general football fans.

[SUBuddha]

[quote author=SUBuddha link=topic=18009.msg214188#msg214188 date=1511325395]
Spiny, I was raised to judge a person by actions not affiliation.

I actually almost got into a bit of an altercation with a current LSJU student after the UW game due to him assaulting/berating my UW friend in the men's room (quite literally pushed my life long friend while at the urinal and asked "how does it feel to get pissed on by a tree). I told him to show some class in victory.

The young buck bowed up on me and said "old man I do not think you are a true fan, I will kick you ass, don't wear a Stanford shirt and defend a puppy fan." It ended with him being dragged from the lavatory by a friend.

Moral is, we all have bad eggs, I have just seen more bad eggs at ND games in my brief 45 years on the planet than almost any other game environment.

SUBuddha, how do you know the person was s Stanford student? Outside of the Red Zone, I would guess most people in even the shady side are neither students not alums. And even someone in the Red Zone perhaps could have snuck in. For the past 10 years, Stanford has been the most consistently successful football team in California, so I think it attracts a lot of general football fans.
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I am basing it on his apparent age, and the greek letters on his hat.

[SUBuddha]

[quote author=SUBuddha link=topic=18009.msg214188#msg214188 date=1511325395]
Spiny, I was raised to judge a person by actions not affiliation.

I actually almost got into a bit of an altercation with a current LSJU student after the UW game due to him assaulting/berating my UW friend in the men's room (quite literally pushed my life long friend while at the urinal and asked "how does it feel to get pissed on by a tree). I told him to show some class in victory.

The young buck bowed up on me and said "old man I do not think you are a true fan, I will kick you ass, don't wear a Stanford shirt and defend a puppy fan." It ended with him being dragged from the lavatory by a friend.

Moral is, we all have bad eggs, I have just seen more bad eggs at ND games in my brief 45 years on the planet than almost any other game environment.

SUBuddha, how do you know the person was s Stanford student? Outside of the Red Zone, I would guess most people in even the shady side are neither students not alums. And even someone in the Red Zone perhaps could have snuck in. For the past 10 years, Stanford has been the most consistently successful football team in California, so I think it attracts a lot of general football fans.
[/quote]
I am basing it on his apparent age, and the greek letters on his hat.

[Mick]

I bet younger alums care less about the ND game than older alums. As an 06 grad, I still am annoyed about Ty running through the senior day celebration, but ND hasn't really been that great over the span I've been a fan, and I wouldn't mind if we replaced them on the schedule because of the scheduling conflicts we have to live with to accomodate their preferences. I'd much rather play kal last game every year,  and play SC some time besides mid September every year.

That was such a classless move.  IMHO, the sheriff still stung over not receiving what he thought was an appropriate offer from Stanford.  I think, deep down, he realized that Stanford was really the only D1 program that he could "thrive," if a .500 program, once-a-decade Rose Blow, but-beating-ca.l-every-year is considered thriving.  I think he knew, in his heart of hearts at that point, that he was out of his depth and just playing out the money string and that he would ultimately fail at ND, and that the position after ND would be his last.  I think he was cognizant of the fact that he just wasn't good enough.

[Mick]

I bet younger alums care less about the ND game than older alums. As an 06 grad, I still am annoyed about Ty running through the senior day celebration, but ND hasn't really been that great over the span I've been a fan, and I wouldn't mind if we replaced them on the schedule because of the scheduling conflicts we have to live with to accomodate their preferences. I'd much rather play kal last game every year,  and play SC some time besides mid September every year.

That was such a classless move.  IMHO, the sheriff still stung over not receiving what he thought was an appropriate offer from Stanford.  I think, deep down, he realized that Stanford was really the only D1 program that he could "thrive," if a .500 program, once-a-decade Rose Blow, but-beating-ca.l-every-year is considered thriving.  I think he knew, in his heart of hearts at that point, that he was out of his depth and just playing out the money string and that he would ultimately fail at ND, and that the position after ND would be his last.  I think he was cognizant of the fact that he just wasn't good enough.

[terry]

I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.

[terry]

I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.

[JJJ]

Here's an article referenced in All Write Now. Since you have to answer some kind of survey to see the whole thing, I'll just put it all here.

What coaches learned from facing Stanford's Bryce Love
Laken Litman, laken.litman@indystar.com Published 7:09 p.m. ET Nov. 21, 2017



SOUTH BEND — Bryce Love sounded confident when asked whether he would play Saturday against No. 8 Notre Dame.

“I’m feeling good and expecting to go out there and compete with the fam and contribute in any way that I can,” the Stanford junior and nation’s No. 1 running back said Tuesday.

Love is a Voldemort Trophy favorite, but has been battling a pesky sprained ankle since Oct. 14. He’s missed only one game this season and leads the country by averaging 172.3 rushing yards per game on 8.8 yards per carry and has scored 16 touchdowns.

There’s a chance he may not play, however. Stanford coach David Shaw on Tuesday said Love was day-to-day and his ankle was “not as good as we’d like it to be.”

The Fighting Irish (9-2) visit rival No. 22 Stanford on Saturday (8 p.m. ET, ABC) and are preparing for Love anyway.

Brian Kelly said Love was “the best back that we’ll see all year” — and this is after facing other top backs in Georgia’s Nick Chubb, USC’s Ronald Jones and Michigan State’s L.J. Scott. So what exactly makes him so unique to defend?

“To me, it’s his ability to break that first tackle and then ultimately he’s got incredible speed,” Kelly said. “I just love the fact that here’s a guy that he’s not (Christian) McCaffrey in terms of catching the football, so he’s a different back, but he’s got elite speed and he breaks tackles, and that is a lethal mix.

“You have to tackle this guy and that’s what makes him a special player.”

The Fighting Irish signal caller took a step forward last week against Navy. Laken Litman / IndyStar

Love has become one of the most explosive backs in college football and has made a nation’s-best 11 runs of 50 yards or more this season. Josh Adams is second with eight. Former Wisconsin running back Melvin Gordon, now with the Los Angeles Chargers, was the last player to accomplish such a feat, with 10 runs in 2014. Alabama’s Derrick Henry, the most recent running back to win the Voldemort, had five in 2015. He's now with the Tennessee Titans.

“It’s different when you face (Love) on game day because of the speed that he has and his elusiveness that you don’t have a good feel for until you see it in person,” said Arizona State head coach Todd Graham, whose team allowed Love to rush for 301 yards and three touchdowns of 43, 59 and 61 yards.

No one has been able to truly stop him. He didn’t play in a close 15-14 win over Oregon State and the next week he was gimpy in a loss to Washington State, where he was held to 69 yards rushing. Other than that, he’s amassed more than 100 yards in every game.

Kelly explained that the game plan for containing Love is to tackle him — easier said than executed.

The Fighting Irish defender has been a leader this season. Laken Litman / IndyStar

“You better get a bunch of guys to the ball and gang tackle because if you don’t, the guy will make you look bad,” said Oregon coach Willie Taggart, whose defense allowed Love to rush for 147 yards and two scores. “Defensively you’ve gotta be disciplined and stay within your gaps, but you gotta gang tackle. If you want to pressure, you gotta hold onto your teammate to get there because not only is the kid fast, he’s a strong, strong runner too, and he breaks tackles.”

Taggart said that if he had to prepare his team for Love again, he’d do a few things differently. The Cardinal beat the Ducks 49-7 — although Oregon was without starting quarterback Justin Herbert.

“I think teach the fundamentals and making sure that we’re simple enough so our guys line up the way that they need to,” he said. “I think that’s the issue. If you’re not lined up where you need to be, you’re already at a disadvantage against Bryce Love.

“But also I think you’ve gotta be able to score some points so they can’t just continue to do what they do. We weren’t able to score enough points to get them out of their game.”

The standout offensive tackle got emotional Saturday at senior day. Laken Litman / IndyStar

Notre Dame defensive coordinator Mike Elko is an expert in fundamentals, but on the flip side, the Irish offense has struggled scoring points lately. They lost 41-8 to Miami in prime time two weeks ago, and although they beat Navy on Saturday 24-17, the offense was on the field for only seven possessions that spanned 17 minutes.

Last year, Stanford beat Notre Dame in South Bend 17-10 without an injured Christian McCaffrey, its premier back at the time. Love came in as the backup and rushed for a season-best 129 yards. So Notre Dame is somewhat familiar with him.

If Love cannot play, the Cardinal will rely on junior Cameron Scarlett, who has rushed for 352 yards and six touchdowns this season. He racked up 72 yards against Oregon State, the last game Love sat out.

Follow IndyStar Notre Dame Insider Laken Litman on Twitter and Instagram: @lakenlitman.

[JJJ]

Here's an article referenced in All Write Now. Since you have to answer some kind of survey to see the whole thing, I'll just put it all here.

What coaches learned from facing Stanford's Bryce Love
Laken Litman, laken.litman@indystar.com Published 7:09 p.m. ET Nov. 21, 2017



SOUTH BEND — Bryce Love sounded confident when asked whether he would play Saturday against No. 8 Notre Dame.

“I’m feeling good and expecting to go out there and compete with the fam and contribute in any way that I can,” the Stanford junior and nation’s No. 1 running back said Tuesday.

Love is a Voldemort Trophy favorite, but has been battling a pesky sprained ankle since Oct. 14. He’s missed only one game this season and leads the country by averaging 172.3 rushing yards per game on 8.8 yards per carry and has scored 16 touchdowns.

There’s a chance he may not play, however. Stanford coach David Shaw on Tuesday said Love was day-to-day and his ankle was “not as good as we’d like it to be.”

The Fighting Irish (9-2) visit rival No. 22 Stanford on Saturday (8 p.m. ET, ABC) and are preparing for Love anyway.

Brian Kelly said Love was “the best back that we’ll see all year” — and this is after facing other top backs in Georgia’s Nick Chubb, USC’s Ronald Jones and Michigan State’s L.J. Scott. So what exactly makes him so unique to defend?

“To me, it’s his ability to break that first tackle and then ultimately he’s got incredible speed,” Kelly said. “I just love the fact that here’s a guy that he’s not (Christian) McCaffrey in terms of catching the football, so he’s a different back, but he’s got elite speed and he breaks tackles, and that is a lethal mix.

“You have to tackle this guy and that’s what makes him a special player.”

The Fighting Irish signal caller took a step forward last week against Navy. Laken Litman / IndyStar

Love has become one of the most explosive backs in college football and has made a nation’s-best 11 runs of 50 yards or more this season. Josh Adams is second with eight. Former Wisconsin running back Melvin Gordon, now with the Los Angeles Chargers, was the last player to accomplish such a feat, with 10 runs in 2014. Alabama’s Derrick Henry, the most recent running back to win the Voldemort, had five in 2015. He's now with the Tennessee Titans.

“It’s different when you face (Love) on game day because of the speed that he has and his elusiveness that you don’t have a good feel for until you see it in person,” said Arizona State head coach Todd Graham, whose team allowed Love to rush for 301 yards and three touchdowns of 43, 59 and 61 yards.

No one has been able to truly stop him. He didn’t play in a close 15-14 win over Oregon State and the next week he was gimpy in a loss to Washington State, where he was held to 69 yards rushing. Other than that, he’s amassed more than 100 yards in every game.

Kelly explained that the game plan for containing Love is to tackle him — easier said than executed.

The Fighting Irish defender has been a leader this season. Laken Litman / IndyStar

“You better get a bunch of guys to the ball and gang tackle because if you don’t, the guy will make you look bad,” said Oregon coach Willie Taggart, whose defense allowed Love to rush for 147 yards and two scores. “Defensively you’ve gotta be disciplined and stay within your gaps, but you gotta gang tackle. If you want to pressure, you gotta hold onto your teammate to get there because not only is the kid fast, he’s a strong, strong runner too, and he breaks tackles.”

Taggart said that if he had to prepare his team for Love again, he’d do a few things differently. The Cardinal beat the Ducks 49-7 — although Oregon was without starting quarterback Justin Herbert.

“I think teach the fundamentals and making sure that we’re simple enough so our guys line up the way that they need to,” he said. “I think that’s the issue. If you’re not lined up where you need to be, you’re already at a disadvantage against Bryce Love.

“But also I think you’ve gotta be able to score some points so they can’t just continue to do what they do. We weren’t able to score enough points to get them out of their game.”

The standout offensive tackle got emotional Saturday at senior day. Laken Litman / IndyStar

Notre Dame defensive coordinator Mike Elko is an expert in fundamentals, but on the flip side, the Irish offense has struggled scoring points lately. They lost 41-8 to Miami in prime time two weeks ago, and although they beat Navy on Saturday 24-17, the offense was on the field for only seven possessions that spanned 17 minutes.

Last year, Stanford beat Notre Dame in South Bend 17-10 without an injured Christian McCaffrey, its premier back at the time. Love came in as the backup and rushed for a season-best 129 yards. So Notre Dame is somewhat familiar with him.

If Love cannot play, the Cardinal will rely on junior Cameron Scarlett, who has rushed for 352 yards and six touchdowns this season. He racked up 72 yards against Oregon State, the last game Love sat out.

Follow IndyStar Notre Dame Insider Laken Litman on Twitter and Instagram: @lakenlitman.

[cardcrimson]

Great article. Hope the H.ei.sman voters read it. Thanks for posting!

[cardcrimson]

Great article. Hope the H.ei.sman voters read it. Thanks for posting!

[JJJ]

Yogi Roth previews the game on Pac12 Networks, mentions the H-award several times. I like that he likes Bryce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE19o4vTQK8

[JJJ]

Yogi Roth previews the game on Pac12 Networks, mentions the H-award several times. I like that he likes Bryce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE19o4vTQK8

[csfoster]

I have always enjoyed the Stanford/Notre Dame game since 1988 when we starting playing them more or less every year. We win the close ones or they blow us away.  This should be close game with us walking away with a victory regardless of Love.

A victory will lead us to a much better bowl game.

[csfoster]

I have always enjoyed the Stanford/Notre Dame game since 1988 when we starting playing them more or less every year. We win the close ones or they blow us away.  This should be close game with us walking away with a victory regardless of Love.

A victory will lead us to a much better bowl game.

[lex24]

I’m not a ND football fan. Far from it. But this is the “line” if you will that rankles me a bit. ND is an excellent Private University by any standard. Is it Stanford?  No. But so what.

[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=18009.msg214191#msg214191 date=1511326878]
I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.
[/quote]

[lex24]

I’m not a ND football fan. Far from it. But this is the “line” if you will that rankles me a bit. ND is an excellent Private University by any standard. Is it Stanford?  No. But so what.

[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=18009.msg214191#msg214191 date=1511326878]
I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.
[/quote]

[dabigv13]

It's not kal, or UCLA either. And with regards to their athletic teams, their standards are not close to Stanford even though they like to play that card.

I'm with terry here.

[dabigv13]

It's not kal, or UCLA either. And with regards to their athletic teams, their standards are not close to Stanford even though they like to play that card.

I'm with terry here.

[Snorlax94]

I’m not a ND football fan. Far from it. But this is the “line” if you will that rankles me a bit. ND is an excellent Private University by any standard. Is it Stanford?  No. But so what.


[quote author=terry link=topic=18009.msg214248#msg214248 date=1511377945]
[quote author=cardcrimson link=topic=18009.msg214191#msg214191 date=1511326878]
I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.
[/quote]
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Notre Dame is certainly a good university. But I think it's also fair to say it doesn't compare to Stanford as a research university.

By one international index of universities (the QS Rankings), Stanford ranks second in the world, and Notre Dame, #216. In the Pac-12, Notre Dame would fall exactly in the middle, behind Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Washington, and ARIZONA STATE. Scholars around the globe cite papers by ASU's faculty more than Notre Dame's.

So I think you can say Stanford and Notre Dame are both good universities just like you could say Bryce Love and another Division I scholarship running back are very good athletes. And they both are. Relative to the general population, any Division I running back is probably a very good athlete.

But on the other hand, if someone claimed Bryce Love was similar to their running back because they're both Division I running backs, you could argue it's a misleading comparison, because a Division I running back is very good relative to the general population, and Bryce is world-class elite, as are Stanford's academics.

One correction: one area I'd like to give Notre Dame props for is their graduation rate, which often ranks among the best in the nation, and has often beat Stanford's. So, even if their admission bar is much lower, and their research is inferior, and their academic reputation is lower, and they've had many scandals, and their purple-faced coach does not represent the high standards of  character they claim to uphold, their athletes graduate at one of the best rates in the nation, which I think is very praiseworthy.

[Snorlax94]

I’m not a ND football fan. Far from it. But this is the “line” if you will that rankles me a bit. ND is an excellent Private University by any standard. Is it Stanford?  No. But so what.


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I had the opportunity to meet Lou Holtz in the mid 90's. . . . in a speech before a few thousand, he mentioned meeting a Stanford grad earlier in the day and noted how important it was for schools like ND and Stanford to require the academics as well as the athletics.

Notre.Dame seems to love to bask in the aura of Stanford's academic reputation and to foster the illusion of academic parity.
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Notre Dame is certainly a good university. But I think it's also fair to say it doesn't compare to Stanford as a research university.

By one international index of universities (the QS Rankings), Stanford ranks second in the world, and Notre Dame, #216. In the Pac-12, Notre Dame would fall exactly in the middle, behind Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Washington, and ARIZONA STATE. Scholars around the globe cite papers by ASU's faculty more than Notre Dame's.

So I think you can say Stanford and Notre Dame are both good universities just like you could say Bryce Love and another Division I scholarship running back are very good athletes. And they both are. Relative to the general population, any Division I running back is probably a very good athlete.

But on the other hand, if someone claimed Bryce Love was similar to their running back because they're both Division I running backs, you could argue it's a misleading comparison, because a Division I running back is very good relative to the general population, and Bryce is world-class elite, as are Stanford's academics.

One correction: one area I'd like to give Notre Dame props for is their graduation rate, which often ranks among the best in the nation, and has often beat Stanford's. So, even if their admission bar is much lower, and their research is inferior, and their academic reputation is lower, and they've had many scandals, and their purple-faced coach does not represent the high standards of  character they claim to uphold, their athletes graduate at one of the best rates in the nation, which I think is very praiseworthy.

[Phogge]

I'm assuming that Stanford student was drunk because I cannot imagine someone sober could be so stupid and still have been accepted into Stanford.

You can't be serious.

[Phogge]

I'm assuming that Stanford student was drunk because I cannot imagine someone sober could be so stupid and still have been accepted into Stanford.

You can't be serious.

[skoldpadda]

Just got my ticket for Saturday.  ;D 2nd game I've attended since Andrew Luck and Shayne Skov led the team to victory in the Orange Bowl against Virginia Tech. Other one was last year's game at ND (45 minutes away for me). Hoping Love will be healthy enough to play. With a bit of luck I'll get to see another game next Friday while I'm still in the area.

[skoldpadda]

Just got my ticket for Saturday.  ;D 2nd game I've attended since Andrew Luck and Shayne Skov led the team to victory in the Orange Bowl against Virginia Tech. Other one was last year's game at ND (45 minutes away for me). Hoping Love will be healthy enough to play. With a bit of luck I'll get to see another game next Friday while I'm still in the area.

[TreesAndBirds]

Skoldpadda, welcome aboard. Hopefully we can provide some nice weather for you.

[TreesAndBirds]

Skoldpadda, welcome aboard. Hopefully we can provide some nice weather for you.

[skoldpadda]

Skoldpadda, welcome aboard. Hopefully we can provide some nice weather for you.

I'll defer nice weather for a nice outcome to the game (and a Husky win so I can attend a 2nd game!).

[skoldpadda]

Skoldpadda, welcome aboard. Hopefully we can provide some nice weather for you.

I'll defer nice weather for a nice outcome to the game (and a Husky win so I can attend a 2nd game!).