10-26-2018, 05:34 AM
Minshew explained....
10-26-2018, 05:45 AM
(10-26-2018, 05:34 AM)winflop Wrote:(10-26-2018, 05:19 AM)Hulk01 Wrote: 120th in the nation at stopping short yardage, as one metric.
So you're saying we have a chance on 4th & 1???
So you're saying when we run our first two plays into the middle we actually have a chance of gaining a few yards? :)
(10-26-2018, 05:34 AM)winflop Wrote:(10-26-2018, 05:19 AM)Hulk01 Wrote: 120th in the nation at stopping short yardage, as one metric.
So you're saying we have a chance on 4th & 1???
So you're saying when we run our first two plays into the middle we actually have a chance of gaining a few yards? :)
10-26-2018, 05:47 AM
The Cougs don't have a Utah, Oregon, or even a USC front seven.
They aren't Utah up front on offense either.
They're very QB dependent. If he doesn't have a very good day, they won't either.
They aren't Utah up front on offense either.
They're very QB dependent. If he doesn't have a very good day, they won't either.
10-26-2018, 05:56 AM
(10-26-2018, 05:47 AM)Hulk01 Wrote: The Cougs don't have a Utah, Oregon, or even a USC front seven.
They aren't Utah up front on offense either.
They're very QB dependent. If he doesn't have a very good day, they won't either.
That's actually my impression. If Costello has a stellar day and Minshew doesn't we win. If it's the reverse we don't.
(10-26-2018, 05:47 AM)Hulk01 Wrote: The Cougs don't have a Utah, Oregon, or even a USC front seven.
They aren't Utah up front on offense either.
They're very QB dependent. If he doesn't have a very good day, they won't either.
That's actually my impression. If Costello has a stellar day and Minshew doesn't we win. If it's the reverse we don't.
10-26-2018, 08:59 AM
(10-26-2018, 01:01 AM)Austroturf Wrote: Yes, that's a fair conclusion. I am just bemused to see how long it takes Stanford to get a QB ready for prime-time. It means you only have a QB in his prime for maybe a 1 1/2 to 2 seasons, unless it's an Andrew Luck-type phenom who also decides to stick around for his senior year despite being the prospective #1 draft pick. Hogan was also a bit of an exception, but experienced serious regression for the first three-quarters of the 2014 season (certainly partially due to poor O-line play). Last year, Costello came on and looked excellent in his first two games (UCLA and ASU), but there was all this banter about how he didn't have a full grasp of the playbook and could only run an excerpted version. I sometimes feel Stanford's system shackles a QB and doesn't let him show what he is capable of. Too complex, even though much of the actual execution is a hand-off to a back running up the middle.
Well, to pick a prominent example, Josh Rosen's freshman PER was 134, which is lower than Hogan's was in 2012 (148) or Costello's was last year (140) and was the same as Chrsyt's was in 2016. JT Daniel's PER this year is even worse (125). Browning's in 2015 was 139. Jared Goff's was 123. The difference is that those QB's were true freshmen, whereas our guys were redshirt freshmen.
Looking at other prominent redshirt freshmen in the league to make an apples-to-apples comparison: Sam Darnold in 2016 had a PER of 161. Justin Herbert's in 2016 was 149. So really stellar redshirt freshmen can do really well in their first year (but of course Darnold was a first round draft pick, and Herbert is a future a first round draft pick), whereas I don't know where Costello will be drafted and Hogan was a mid-round draft pick whose redshirt freshman PER was similar to Herbert's.
All that is to say that for non-air raid type offenses, our QB's don't seem to have an out of the ordinary learning curve.
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(10-26-2018, 01:01 AM)Austroturf Wrote: Yes, that's a fair conclusion. I am just bemused to see how long it takes Stanford to get a QB ready for prime-time. It means you only have a QB in his prime for maybe a 1 1/2 to 2 seasons, unless it's an Andrew Luck-type phenom who also decides to stick around for his senior year despite being the prospective #1 draft pick. Hogan was also a bit of an exception, but experienced serious regression for the first three-quarters of the 2014 season (certainly partially due to poor O-line play). Last year, Costello came on and looked excellent in his first two games (UCLA and ASU), but there was all this banter about how he didn't have a full grasp of the playbook and could only run an excerpted version. I sometimes feel Stanford's system shackles a QB and doesn't let him show what he is capable of. Too complex, even though much of the actual execution is a hand-off to a back running up the middle.
Well, to pick a prominent example, Josh Rosen's freshman PER was 134, which is lower than Hogan's was in 2012 (148) or Costello's was last year (140) and was the same as Chrsyt's was in 2016. JT Daniel's PER this year is even worse (125). Browning's in 2015 was 139. Jared Goff's was 123. The difference is that those QB's were true freshmen, whereas our guys were redshirt freshmen.
Looking at other prominent redshirt freshmen in the league to make an apples-to-apples comparison: Sam Darnold in 2016 had a PER of 161. Justin Herbert's in 2016 was 149. So really stellar redshirt freshmen can do really well in their first year (but of course Darnold was a first round draft pick, and Herbert is a future a first round draft pick), whereas I don't know where Costello will be drafted and Hogan was a mid-round draft pick whose redshirt freshman PER was similar to Herbert's.
All that is to say that for non-air raid type offenses, our QB's don't seem to have an out of the ordinary learning curve.
BC
(10-25-2018, 11:08 PM)newguy Wrote:I come in peace.(10-25-2018, 08:54 PM)Phogge Wrote: Plus a very capable second back, a young coach running a balanced offense and with the best DL in football.
if Wazzu has a strong D Line, we could be in for a long night.
Good game you guys, and I hope you beat the Dawgs....please! You are an excellent team, and despite what others say on this board, Shaw is a great coach. One thing I want to add, Stanford University is such a sensational academic institution, there is no comparison on the west. Words cannot express how phenomenal your campus and school is. Don't ever take this for granted, because frankly, although Washington State is arguably the best "college town experience" to attend and go to school for 4 years on the west coast, we don't even come close to your academic standards and achievements. I've got a ton of respect for you guys.....except how quiet your fans are (at the stadium)!
That said....beat the Huskies on Saturday, and win the rest of your schedule!
(10-25-2018, 11:08 PM)newguy Wrote:I come in peace.(10-25-2018, 08:54 PM)Phogge Wrote: Plus a very capable second back, a young coach running a balanced offense and with the best DL in football.
if Wazzu has a strong D Line, we could be in for a long night.
Good game you guys, and I hope you beat the Dawgs....please! You are an excellent team, and despite what others say on this board, Shaw is a great coach. One thing I want to add, Stanford University is such a sensational academic institution, there is no comparison on the west. Words cannot express how phenomenal your campus and school is. Don't ever take this for granted, because frankly, although Washington State is arguably the best "college town experience" to attend and go to school for 4 years on the west coast, we don't even come close to your academic standards and achievements. I've got a ton of respect for you guys.....except how quiet your fans are (at the stadium)!
That said....beat the Huskies on Saturday, and win the rest of your schedule!
10-28-2018, 10:02 PM
Thanks for the kind words and good luck from here on out. I guess we theoretically have a chance to go to the conference championship if you guys lose twice and we win out, but realistically thats a tall order, so the good wishes are sincere.
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Thanks for the kind words and good luck from here on out. I guess we theoretically have a chance to go to the conference championship if you guys lose twice and we win out, but realistically thats a tall order, so the good wishes are sincere.
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