[cardcrimson]

We were only down 11.  There was hope for a comeback win.  Hindsight is 20/20.  If KJ would have brought us back for the win, he would have been called courageous for fighting through his pain.  Didn't happen so some people want to attack Shaw's decision to keep him in.

During the game, the sideline reporter was questioning why Costello was still in the game. Didn't realize Holly Rowe had a row with Shaw. . . .

[cardcrimson]

We were only down 11.  There was hope for a comeback win.  Hindsight is 20/20.  If KJ would have brought us back for the win, he would have been called courageous for fighting through his pain.  Didn't happen so some people want to attack Shaw's decision to keep him in.

During the game, the sideline reporter was questioning why Costello was still in the game. Didn't realize Holly Rowe had a row with Shaw. . . .

[winflop]

We were only down 11.  There was hope for a comeback win.  Hindsight is 20/20.  If KJ would have brought us back for the win, he would have been called courageous for fighting through his pain.  Didn't happen so some people want to attack Shaw's decision to keep him in.

He couldn't hit the side of a barn more than 10 yards downfield

[winflop]

We were only down 11.  There was hope for a comeback win.  Hindsight is 20/20.  If KJ would have brought us back for the win, he would have been called courageous for fighting through his pain.  Didn't happen so some people want to attack Shaw's decision to keep him in.

He couldn't hit the side of a barn more than 10 yards downfield

[CTcard]

Fans were calling for Hogan, for Chryst, and for Costello weeks before Shaw made the changes.  From the standpoint of a head coach, at least some consideration needs to be made for building the self-confidence of your quarterback, and jerking them in and out of games could ruin that and make things worse, so I understand the reluctance.  

Those calls were based on performance over more than one game. This is due to an injury. There's no doubt that the coaches knew he injured his thumb, and it was clear that Costello couldn't push the ball downfield. That he's out this week also shows the error in that judgment.

or the injury got worse after the game, who here has injured something that seemed minor at the time only to realize the next morning that maybe it was worse than you thought, my worst example of this was a broken arm, it hurt a bit when injured, when I woke up the next morning it was pretty clear something was really not right



but I'm in the camp that he was not throwing well after he hurt his hand and I think we should have gone to Mills

Costello hasn't thrown well since he came out of the Northwestern game. My own guess is he has another injury issue that is neither concussion-related nor the hand hit to the helmet.

I agree with being in the camp that says we should have gone to Millls ... somewhere during the past couple of games. But the real answer involves information I don't have.

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

Aside #2 - fans are always calling for backup quarterbacks who have yet to appear in a game and disappoint them. Occasionally they eventually appear and do well. More often not and the calls are forgotten.

Aside #3 (from another post in this thread) - almost no teams play backup QBs in any significant way to "get them ready" - though sometimes QBs split time while a QB competition is still active. I don't quite know why this belief persists among fan bases everywhere.

[CTcard]

Fans were calling for Hogan, for Chryst, and for Costello weeks before Shaw made the changes.  From the standpoint of a head coach, at least some consideration needs to be made for building the self-confidence of your quarterback, and jerking them in and out of games could ruin that and make things worse, so I understand the reluctance.  

Those calls were based on performance over more than one game. This is due to an injury. There's no doubt that the coaches knew he injured his thumb, and it was clear that Costello couldn't push the ball downfield. That he's out this week also shows the error in that judgment.

or the injury got worse after the game, who here has injured something that seemed minor at the time only to realize the next morning that maybe it was worse than you thought, my worst example of this was a broken arm, it hurt a bit when injured, when I woke up the next morning it was pretty clear something was really not right



but I'm in the camp that he was not throwing well after he hurt his hand and I think we should have gone to Mills

Costello hasn't thrown well since he came out of the Northwestern game. My own guess is he has another injury issue that is neither concussion-related nor the hand hit to the helmet.

I agree with being in the camp that says we should have gone to Millls ... somewhere during the past couple of games. But the real answer involves information I don't have.

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

Aside #2 - fans are always calling for backup quarterbacks who have yet to appear in a game and disappoint them. Occasionally they eventually appear and do well. More often not and the calls are forgotten.

Aside #3 (from another post in this thread) - almost no teams play backup QBs in any significant way to "get them ready" - though sometimes QBs split time while a QB competition is still active. I don't quite know why this belief persists among fan bases everywhere.

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

Aside #2 - fans are always calling for backup quarterbacks who have yet to appear in a game and disappoint them. Occasionally they eventually appear and do well. More often not and the calls are forgotten.

Aside #3 (from another post in this thread) - almost no teams play backup QBs in any significant way to "get them ready" - though sometimes QBs split time while a QB competition is still active. I don't quite know why this belief persists among fan bases everywhere.

My take is that (until a bench player actually gets significant playing time) no one really knows how that player will perform. So why not give bench players an opportunity to play ?
If a guys plays half a game then everybody (coaches, spectators etc...)will gain some knowledge about that player's strengths and weaknesses.

[SF_Cardinal_Fan]

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

Aside #2 - fans are always calling for backup quarterbacks who have yet to appear in a game and disappoint them. Occasionally they eventually appear and do well. More often not and the calls are forgotten.

Aside #3 (from another post in this thread) - almost no teams play backup QBs in any significant way to "get them ready" - though sometimes QBs split time while a QB competition is still active. I don't quite know why this belief persists among fan bases everywhere.

My take is that (until a bench player actually gets significant playing time) no one really knows how that player will perform. So why not give bench players an opportunity to play ?
If a guys plays half a game then everybody (coaches, spectators etc...)will gain some knowledge about that player's strengths and weaknesses.

[cardcrimson]

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

Aside #2 - fans are always calling for backup quarterbacks who have yet to appear in a game and disappoint them. Occasionally they eventually appear and do well. More often not and the calls are forgotten.

Aside #3 (from another post in this thread) - almost no teams play backup QBs in any significant way to "get them ready" - though sometimes QBs split time while a QB competition is still active. I don't quite know why this belief persists among fan bases everywhere.

My take is that (until a bench player actually gets significant playing time) no one really knows how that player will perform. So why not give bench players an opportunity to play ?
If a guys plays half a game then everybody (coaches, spectators etc...)will gain some knowledge about that player's strengths and weaknesses.

Everybody was stunned when Saban pulled Hurts in the 2017 championship game for the inexperienced freshman Tua. Tua had previously appeared in only 7 games, only completed 35 out of 53 for 470 yards and 8 TDs.

Stanford backups last season, all season, went 2 for 8 and 10 yards and no TDs.

[cardcrimson]

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

Aside #2 - fans are always calling for backup quarterbacks who have yet to appear in a game and disappoint them. Occasionally they eventually appear and do well. More often not and the calls are forgotten.

Aside #3 (from another post in this thread) - almost no teams play backup QBs in any significant way to "get them ready" - though sometimes QBs split time while a QB competition is still active. I don't quite know why this belief persists among fan bases everywhere.

My take is that (until a bench player actually gets significant playing time) no one really knows how that player will perform. So why not give bench players an opportunity to play ?
If a guys plays half a game then everybody (coaches, spectators etc...)will gain some knowledge about that player's strengths and weaknesses.

Everybody was stunned when Saban pulled Hurts in the 2017 championship game for the inexperienced freshman Tua. Tua had previously appeared in only 7 games, only completed 35 out of 53 for 470 yards and 8 TDs.

Stanford backups last season, all season, went 2 for 8 and 10 yards and no TDs.

[81alum]

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

There were a few who had noted that Hogan had seemed promising.  But what would have been more accurate to say is that the fans were calling for someone other than Nunes for weeks before Shaw made the switch.  Most of us did not know who it should be, but we all knew that Nunes was not making the offense work and there was a clamor to replace him long before Shaw did it.

https://thecardboard.org/board/showthrea...ight=nunes

I'm not saying we were right.  Shaw was probably trying to get Hogan ready, who had only a very small package of plays at first, and Nunes may have been the best we had in the meantime.

What I am saying is the fans are almost always weeks in front of the coach when it comes to quarterback changes.  You could say we anticipate 3 out of every 1 switches, long in advance.  :)

[81alum]

Aside #1 - almost nobody was calling for Hogan before he became the starter in 2012 (though on either this board or the bootleg there was one poster who appeared to be either a relative or HS friend who was pushing for him rather vociferously - even during his redshirt season). Most fans were calling for Brett Nottingham, who left Stanford after losing out to Hogan and proceeded to have a not very strong career at Columbia.

There were a few who had noted that Hogan had seemed promising.  But what would have been more accurate to say is that the fans were calling for someone other than Nunes for weeks before Shaw made the switch.  Most of us did not know who it should be, but we all knew that Nunes was not making the offense work and there was a clamor to replace him long before Shaw did it.

https://thecardboard.org/board/showthrea...ight=nunes

I'm not saying we were right.  Shaw was probably trying to get Hogan ready, who had only a very small package of plays at first, and Nunes may have been the best we had in the meantime.

What I am saying is the fans are almost always weeks in front of the coach when it comes to quarterback changes.  You could say we anticipate 3 out of every 1 switches, long in advance.  :)