[Phogge]

Using two QB’s including the young McCaffrey. Actually running some T. Nebraska very competitive and has three TE/HB types that should make Shaw drool. Justin Fields starts 11/11 and can throw the deep out which the NFL loves. Fun game. Now 17-14 OSU.

I assume that Shaw didn’t recruit McCaffrey and the TE’s.

[Phogge]

Using two QB’s including the young McCaffrey. Actually running some T. Nebraska very competitive and has three TE/HB types that should make Shaw drool. Justin Fields starts 11/11 and can throw the deep out which the NFL loves. Fun game. Now 17-14 OSU.

I assume that Shaw didn’t recruit McCaffrey and the TE’s.

[Farm93]

Using two QB’s including the young McCaffrey. Actually running some T. Nebraska very competitive and has three TE/HB types that should make Shaw drool. Justin Fields starts 11/11 and can throw the deep out which the NFL loves. Fun game. Now 17-14 OSU.

I assume that Shaw didn’t recruit McCaffrey and the TE’s.

Nebraska players?
Always safe to default to the idea that they didn't have the HS grades and classes to get into Stanford.  Most of the players Nebraska recruits are not going to be able to seriously consider Stanford. 

The McCaffrey thing is a touch different I would guess, but based on the choices of the siblings I probably would default to the notion that the siblings wanted to follow their own path.  The younger McCaffrey kids were hotly recruited by every program.

[Farm93]

Using two QB’s including the young McCaffrey. Actually running some T. Nebraska very competitive and has three TE/HB types that should make Shaw drool. Justin Fields starts 11/11 and can throw the deep out which the NFL loves. Fun game. Now 17-14 OSU.

I assume that Shaw didn’t recruit McCaffrey and the TE’s.

Nebraska players?
Always safe to default to the idea that they didn't have the HS grades and classes to get into Stanford.  Most of the players Nebraska recruits are not going to be able to seriously consider Stanford. 

The McCaffrey thing is a touch different I would guess, but based on the choices of the siblings I probably would default to the notion that the siblings wanted to follow their own path.  The younger McCaffrey kids were hotly recruited by every program.

[Phogge]

Please explain default. In my old fashioned world it was akin to quitting.

Yeah Nebraska guys. One is used like Ertz, one like Hewitt and the other like Toiolo. haven't seen a Fleener clone yet.

[Phogge]

Please explain default. In my old fashioned world it was akin to quitting.

Yeah Nebraska guys. One is used like Ertz, one like Hewitt and the other like Toiolo. haven't seen a Fleener clone yet.

[SamuelMcF]

We recruited neither of the younger McCaffreys. Dylan was in the same class as Davis Mills, who was our guy. Luke was not "recruited by everybody"...he had 9 P5 offers. Plus at that point I think Ed was done with Shaw.

Both TEs with catches, Austin Allen and Jack Stoll, were mid-3* recruits with 4 P5 offers each, and would've been considered "poor" TE recruits by our standards. Our 2016 and 2017 TE classes were Kaden Smith, Harrington, Parkinson, and Fisk. It's not like these are breakout freshmen. They're older guys.

Now if only we had recruited a TE in 2018...

[SamuelMcF]

We recruited neither of the younger McCaffreys. Dylan was in the same class as Davis Mills, who was our guy. Luke was not "recruited by everybody"...he had 9 P5 offers. Plus at that point I think Ed was done with Shaw.

Both TEs with catches, Austin Allen and Jack Stoll, were mid-3* recruits with 4 P5 offers each, and would've been considered "poor" TE recruits by our standards. Our 2016 and 2017 TE classes were Kaden Smith, Harrington, Parkinson, and Fisk. It's not like these are breakout freshmen. They're older guys.

Now if only we had recruited a TE in 2018...

[chrisk]

McCaffrey ended up with 9 rushes and 4 pass attempts.

[chrisk]

McCaffrey ended up with 9 rushes and 4 pass attempts.

[JohnR34231]

Game ended up 52-17.
I realize Ohio State is Ohio State, but I would have thought Frost would have got them a little more competitive by now.

[JohnR34231]

Game ended up 52-17.
I realize Ohio State is Ohio State, but I would have thought Frost would have got them a little more competitive by now.

[CompSci87]

Please explain default. In my old fashioned world it was akin to quitting.

In this context it means what you assume until there's evidence to the contrary. I think it comes from computer UI design, where the "default" is what the software gives you if you don't explicitly specify something different.

I just finished reading a Malcolm Gladwell book where he uses the phrase "default to truth" frequently. By that he means that people normally assume other people are telling the truth until there's a good deal of evidence to the contrary. (And that's a good thing.)

[CompSci87]

Please explain default. In my old fashioned world it was akin to quitting.

In this context it means what you assume until there's evidence to the contrary. I think it comes from computer UI design, where the "default" is what the software gives you if you don't explicitly specify something different.

I just finished reading a Malcolm Gladwell book where he uses the phrase "default to truth" frequently. By that he means that people normally assume other people are telling the truth until there's a good deal of evidence to the contrary. (And that's a good thing.)

[lex24]

We recruited neither of the younger McCaffreys. Dylan was in the same class as Davis Mills, who was our guy. Luke was not "recruited by everybody"...he had 9 P5 offers. Plus at that point I think Ed was done with Shaw.

Both TEs with catches, Austin Allen and Jack Stoll, were mid-3* recruits with 4 P5 offers each, and would've been considered "poor" TE recruits by our standards. Our 2016 and 2017 TE classes were Kaden Smith, Harrington, Parkinson, and Fisk. It's not like these are breakout freshmen. They're older guys.

Now if only we had recruited a TE in 2018...

Dylan played behind Shea Patterson a 5 star recruit that never developed.  He lost the battle to replace Patterson this year and announced he’d be transferring.

As for Frost, he may be on the hot seat soon. Although the days of Nebraska being a top level team may be over. Not sure Lincoln is all that inviting....

[lex24]

We recruited neither of the younger McCaffreys. Dylan was in the same class as Davis Mills, who was our guy. Luke was not "recruited by everybody"...he had 9 P5 offers. Plus at that point I think Ed was done with Shaw.

Both TEs with catches, Austin Allen and Jack Stoll, were mid-3* recruits with 4 P5 offers each, and would've been considered "poor" TE recruits by our standards. Our 2016 and 2017 TE classes were Kaden Smith, Harrington, Parkinson, and Fisk. It's not like these are breakout freshmen. They're older guys.

Now if only we had recruited a TE in 2018...

Dylan played behind Shea Patterson a 5 star recruit that never developed.  He lost the battle to replace Patterson this year and announced he’d be transferring.

As for Frost, he may be on the hot seat soon. Although the days of Nebraska being a top level team may be over. Not sure Lincoln is all that inviting....

[Phogge]

Nebraska was competitive for a half. I think he will get the job done.

Thanks for the definition but the word seems so robotic. Newspeak I guess. Don't like it but I'm not a 25 year old looking at my phone at all waking hours.

[Phogge]

Nebraska was competitive for a half. I think he will get the job done.

Thanks for the definition but the word seems so robotic. Newspeak I guess. Don't like it but I'm not a 25 year old looking at my phone at all waking hours.

[Farm93]

Nebraska was competitive for a half. I think he will get the job done.

Thanks for the definition but the word seems so robotic. Newspeak I guess. Don't like it but I'm not a 25 year old looking at my phone at all waking hours.

Computer programming has been popular at Stanford for quite a bit longer than smartphones have been a thing.  ;)

Still hold to my comment.   If you see a player at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Clemson, tOSU, and other similar schools where the football team is more important to the school brand than the academic research, then your default assumption should be that any great 4 or 5 star recruit on that roster was probably not eligible for Stanford.  

Might a few have been eligible?  Sure
But a reasonable default is to assume most were not able to be admitted rather than imagine that David Shaw and the entire Stanford AD just overlooked some Stanford eligible 4+ star athlete.  

Even in the 80s and 90s when I was in school the AD was very well aware of almost every football athlete in the nation with even a remote shot at getting into Stanford.   Given the computer programming available now on your average 12 year-olds smartphone, I am confident the Stanford AD has tracked the ~100 football players each year with a shot at navigating Stanford admissions and then competing in the Pac-12.

A default assumption that allows me to enjoy LSU vs Bama type games without believing that Stanford's coaching staff must have failed to properly recruit the players in that game.

[Farm93]

Nebraska was competitive for a half. I think he will get the job done.

Thanks for the definition but the word seems so robotic. Newspeak I guess. Don't like it but I'm not a 25 year old looking at my phone at all waking hours.

Computer programming has been popular at Stanford for quite a bit longer than smartphones have been a thing.  ;)

Still hold to my comment.   If you see a player at Ole Miss, LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Clemson, tOSU, and other similar schools where the football team is more important to the school brand than the academic research, then your default assumption should be that any great 4 or 5 star recruit on that roster was probably not eligible for Stanford.  

Might a few have been eligible?  Sure
But a reasonable default is to assume most were not able to be admitted rather than imagine that David Shaw and the entire Stanford AD just overlooked some Stanford eligible 4+ star athlete.  

Even in the 80s and 90s when I was in school the AD was very well aware of almost every football athlete in the nation with even a remote shot at getting into Stanford.   Given the computer programming available now on your average 12 year-olds smartphone, I am confident the Stanford AD has tracked the ~100 football players each year with a shot at navigating Stanford admissions and then competing in the Pac-12.

A default assumption that allows me to enjoy LSU vs Bama type games without believing that Stanford's coaching staff must have failed to properly recruit the players in that game.

[SamuelMcF]

But a reasonable default is to assume most were not able to be admitted rather than imagine that David Shaw and the entire Stanford AD just overlooked some Stanford eligible 4+ star athlete.  

Even in the 80s and 90s when I was in school the AD was very well aware of almost every football athlete in the nation with even a remote shot at getting into Stanford.   Given the computer programming available now on your average 12 year-olds smartphone, I am confident the Stanford AD has tracked the ~100 football players each year with a shot at navigating Stanford admissions and then competing in the Pac-12.

Hey @slide, you around? Wanna take this one?

[SamuelMcF]

But a reasonable default is to assume most were not able to be admitted rather than imagine that David Shaw and the entire Stanford AD just overlooked some Stanford eligible 4+ star athlete.  

Even in the 80s and 90s when I was in school the AD was very well aware of almost every football athlete in the nation with even a remote shot at getting into Stanford.   Given the computer programming available now on your average 12 year-olds smartphone, I am confident the Stanford AD has tracked the ~100 football players each year with a shot at navigating Stanford admissions and then competing in the Pac-12.

Hey @slide, you around? Wanna take this one?

[BostonCard]

OSU really ran a play for a touchdown up 45-17 with 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter?

BC

[BostonCard]

OSU really ran a play for a touchdown up 45-17 with 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter?

BC

[Phogge]

I’m just going to default your post Kiddo. Whatever TF that means.

[Phogge]

I’m just going to default your post Kiddo. Whatever TF that means.

[fullmetal]

You can still default on loans or payments.  That usage of the word is still valid.  But yes, default does mean something akin to "assigned value unless specified."

The default behavior of a football offense on 4th down is to punt...unless otherwise specified :)

[fullmetal]

You can still default on loans or payments.  That usage of the word is still valid.  But yes, default does mean something akin to "assigned value unless specified."

The default behavior of a football offense on 4th down is to punt...unless otherwise specified :)

[SamuelMcF]

OSU really ran a play for a touchdown up 45-17 with 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter?

BC

With a freshman QB and third-stringers in.

[SamuelMcF]

OSU really ran a play for a touchdown up 45-17 with 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter?

BC

With a freshman QB and third-stringers in.

[JohnR34231]

OSU really ran a play for a touchdown up 45-17 with 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter?

BC

FWIW, the Ohio State coach did apologize for not taking a knee in that situation.

[JohnR34231]

OSU really ran a play for a touchdown up 45-17 with 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter?

BC

FWIW, the Ohio State coach did apologize for not taking a knee in that situation.

[slide]

But a reasonable default is to assume most were not able to be admitted rather than imagine that David Shaw and the entire Stanford AD just overlooked some Stanford eligible 4+ star athlete.  

Even in the 80s and 90s when I was in school the AD was very well aware of almost every football athlete in the nation with even a remote shot at getting into Stanford.   Given the computer programming available now on your average 12 year-olds smartphone, I am confident the Stanford AD has tracked the ~100 football players each year with a shot at navigating Stanford admissions and then competing in the Pac-12.

Hey @slide, you around? Wanna take this one?

yes, a little bit over the top in the defense of the AD.  coaches/staff have done a better job of late covering the top 300 recruits (and certainly better than in the Elway and Willingham years).  they've however declined offers for a more automated system to help them scrape the recruiting universe to plug holes and make their approach more efficient.  I don't have a great example of late but it was only a couple of years ago where we essentially whiffed on Nicolas Petit-Frere, a top 10 national recruit.  he was not on our radar, Shaw's former college teammate let him know about NPF, we still waited and waited then offered late accompanied by a panicky visit from Shaw etc.  NPF is now starting for Ohio State.  even if you think you are good, there is always room for improvement.  and at the rate recruiting cycles have accelerated, we need to be much more front-footed.  we won't win often for a top recruit when we are the 30th school to offer to a recruit, especially coming off a 4-8 record.

[slide]

But a reasonable default is to assume most were not able to be admitted rather than imagine that David Shaw and the entire Stanford AD just overlooked some Stanford eligible 4+ star athlete.  

Even in the 80s and 90s when I was in school the AD was very well aware of almost every football athlete in the nation with even a remote shot at getting into Stanford.   Given the computer programming available now on your average 12 year-olds smartphone, I am confident the Stanford AD has tracked the ~100 football players each year with a shot at navigating Stanford admissions and then competing in the Pac-12.

Hey @slide, you around? Wanna take this one?

yes, a little bit over the top in the defense of the AD.  coaches/staff have done a better job of late covering the top 300 recruits (and certainly better than in the Elway and Willingham years).  they've however declined offers for a more automated system to help them scrape the recruiting universe to plug holes and make their approach more efficient.  I don't have a great example of late but it was only a couple of years ago where we essentially whiffed on Nicolas Petit-Frere, a top 10 national recruit.  he was not on our radar, Shaw's former college teammate let him know about NPF, we still waited and waited then offered late accompanied by a panicky visit from Shaw etc.  NPF is now starting for Ohio State.  even if you think you are good, there is always room for improvement.  and at the rate recruiting cycles have accelerated, we need to be much more front-footed.  we won't win often for a top recruit when we are the 30th school to offer to a recruit, especially coming off a 4-8 record.