[old spanish trail]

Happened on the last quarter of UCLA v ASU this eve. Osborne has 27 pts. UCLA won by 3. One other Bruin has 11, I think. I love Jump's threes, but is it really true that we took Jump over Osborne?

[old spanish trail]

Happened on the last quarter of UCLA v ASU this eve. Osborne has 27 pts. UCLA won by 3. One other Bruin has 11, I think. I love Jump's threes, but is it really true that we took Jump over Osborne?

[81alum]

Happened on the last quarter of UCLA v ASU this eve. Osborne has 27 pts. UCLA won by 3. One other Bruin has 11, I think. I love Jump's threes, but is it really true that we took Jump over Osborne?

Yes, the rest of UCLA looked quite mediocre against ASU, but Osborne is going to be a superstar and we shall face her in future years without Williams and Wilson to guard her.  

As for turning her down--Bobb might know if we actually did, but it could have been a lot of things--admissions, her own preference, etc.  ESPN had her as #22 and Jump as #50.  Today, she looks better than #22.  We did defend her well in our first game, giving her only 7 points.  Something fell apart in the second, giving her 24.  Or maybe she is just getting better.  Tonight she had 27 including 13 in the 4th when they needed them most.  ASU had come back from down 18 to take the lead in the 3rd quarter.  She rescued her team from a loss.

[81alum]

Happened on the last quarter of UCLA v ASU this eve. Osborne has 27 pts. UCLA won by 3. One other Bruin has 11, I think. I love Jump's threes, but is it really true that we took Jump over Osborne?

Yes, the rest of UCLA looked quite mediocre against ASU, but Osborne is going to be a superstar and we shall face her in future years without Williams and Wilson to guard her.  

As for turning her down--Bobb might know if we actually did, but it could have been a lot of things--admissions, her own preference, etc.  ESPN had her as #22 and Jump as #50.  Today, she looks better than #22.  We did defend her well in our first game, giving her only 7 points.  Something fell apart in the second, giving her 24.  Or maybe she is just getting better.  Tonight she had 27 including 13 in the 4th when they needed them most.  ASU had come back from down 18 to take the lead in the 3rd quarter.  She rescued her team from a loss.

[BobK]

Jump committed long before Osborne committed to USC. Remember the chalk talk with Nygaard? We were still recruiting Osborne then.

Onyenwere was hurting last night

[BobK]

Jump committed long before Osborne committed to USC. Remember the chalk talk with Nygaard? We were still recruiting Osborne then.

Onyenwere was hurting last night

[jonnyss]

Jump committed long before Osborne committed to USC.  Remember the chalk talk with Nygaard?  We were still recruiting Osborne then. 

Onyenwere was hurting last night

yes, i believe we did not leave room for osborne - despite charisma and haley jones each getting california player of their year twice in their 4 years of high school; ie the california press and coaches, who saw the 2 most, thought they were of comparable ability.

[jonnyss]

Jump committed long before Osborne committed to USC.  Remember the chalk talk with Nygaard?  We were still recruiting Osborne then. 

Onyenwere was hurting last night

yes, i believe we did not leave room for osborne - despite charisma and haley jones each getting california player of their year twice in their 4 years of high school; ie the california press and coaches, who saw the 2 most, thought they were of comparable ability.

[PVTree]

Jump committed long before Osborne committed to USC.  Remember the chalk talk with Nygaard?  We were still recruiting Osborne then. 

Onyenwere was hurting last night

Did she jump from U$C to UCLA or is this a typo?

[PVTree]

Jump committed long before Osborne committed to USC.  Remember the chalk talk with Nygaard?  We were still recruiting Osborne then. 

Onyenwere was hurting last night

Did she jump from U$C to UCLA or is this a typo?

[Hulk01]

Not to worry, sort of.  We'll get Kiki Rice in this class and JuJu Watkins in the next.

But next year at guard for Stanford: Van G and who?

[Hulk01]

Not to worry, sort of.  We'll get Kiki Rice in this class and JuJu Watkins in the next.

But next year at guard for Stanford: Van G and who?

[PVTree]

Brown? Harriel? Of course, you can start Lexi or even Jones at the 2 if needed.

[PVTree]

Brown? Harriel? Of course, you can start Lexi or even Jones at the 2 if needed.

[BosCard]

There are different buckets of what ifs.  But it's that last bucket that I think are the most important "if onlys"

Wanted to come and maybe admitted:
- Charisma Osborne - very good player but likely would be the third to fifth best player on our current team

Didn't want to come and likely admitted:
- Katie Lou Samuelson - I used to think she was the "one" that got away.  But while she had a very good career at UConn, she did not end up being a transformational player.  Was not even the best player on her team in her class (that honor goes to Napheesa Collier)
- Mikayla Pivec - Very smart, tough and crafty player.  I know a lot of people of this board loved her.  But in my mind a very good but not great player.

Wanted to come but likely admissions issues:
- Kelsey Plum - Probably would have won a national championship if she came
- Sabrina Ionescu - Probably would have won a national championship if she came

[BosCard]

There are different buckets of what ifs.  But it's that last bucket that I think are the most important "if onlys"

Wanted to come and maybe admitted:
- Charisma Osborne - very good player but likely would be the third to fifth best player on our current team

Didn't want to come and likely admitted:
- Katie Lou Samuelson - I used to think she was the "one" that got away.  But while she had a very good career at UConn, she did not end up being a transformational player.  Was not even the best player on her team in her class (that honor goes to Napheesa Collier)
- Mikayla Pivec - Very smart, tough and crafty player.  I know a lot of people of this board loved her.  But in my mind a very good but not great player.

Wanted to come but likely admissions issues:
- Kelsey Plum - Probably would have won a national championship if she came
- Sabrina Ionescu - Probably would have won a national championship if she came

[BobK]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford
Transcript please on Osborne? I have no clue

Sabrina not possible

Diggins admitted

[BobK]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford
Transcript please on Osborne? I have no clue

Sabrina not possible

Diggins admitted

[akiddoc]

I don’t think Stanford admits players who don’t have actionable offers. Therefore, if Osborne was admitted she decided against us. More likely never admitted.

[akiddoc]

I don’t think Stanford admits players who don’t have actionable offers. Therefore, if Osborne was admitted she decided against us. More likely never admitted.

[jonnyss]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford
Transcript please on Osborne?    I have no clue

Sabrina not possible

Diggins admitted

re: osborne

sure, as a sophomore, she'd be the #2 point guard behind kiana. as a junior, she'd be a replacement for kiana of about equal talent. jana's a good player, but she's not charisma, who, barring injury, is likely to be a first or second team all-american and first-round wnba pick.

link says osborne had all A's - at least into her junior year.

link says osborne had an offer from stanford. if true, it implies that, of osborne and jump, whoever committed first got the spot (as we didn't want 3 guards and only one big in the class).

checking google, jump committed on feb 16, 2018, belibi committed on may 18, prechtel committed on jun 8, 2018. osborne was talking about her interest in stanford through the summer and did not commit to ucla until sept 5. that could certainly mean that admissions turned her down on sept 5 because of standardized test scores (not likely to be grades at that time of year)

but my take, without evidence, is that hannah "jumped" on her offer, stanford wanted 2 bigs; so it was either haley or charisma. i'm guessing charisma kept the option of stanford open until haley told stanford she was likely coming - at which point stanford told charisma, and charisma picked ucla. or until stanford told charisma they would wait for haley as long as it took for haley to decide (which ended up being the week after official signing day because of local wildfires). at that point charisma gave up and picked ucla.

i thought at the time, and still think, that with so many mcdonald's aa athletes (like osborne) interested, stanford should not have offered hannah jump so early. hannah is local and very smart. seemed to me that hannah would reasonably have waited until the fall for stanford to decide if they had space for her. after all, if stanford didn't offer, she had the grades to go to yale, harvard, princeton or anywhere else in the pac-12.

re: ones that got away, the biggest one for me is local product, danielle robinson, mitty class of 2007. she and jeanette pohlen were the top 2 high school players in california that year. the hs championship was televised, i watched, and both were amazing: jeanette more the outside shooter, danielle the true point guard, super quick with unstoppable drives to the basket. danielle really wanted to come to stanford. i don't believe plum and ionescu were close in terms of grades, but robinson had good enough grades (can't find them online; but her college gpa was 3.5 putting her on all-academic teams) that she - and, presumably, tara -thought she would get in; she was a star at oklahoma and has been a star in the wnba (of stanford players, only nneka and chiney have done as well in the wnba). she was very disappointed to be dinged by admissions. i think current admissions would take her, but admissions at that time was more restrictive for top athletes. if you recall, we came very close to a national title in 2011, losing to texas a&m by one point in the final 4. that team had nneka, kayla, and jeanette pohlen - but jeanette had an ankle injury in that game. we would have won easily with danielle at point guard.

courtney paris also was local, wanted to come to stanford and ended up at oklahoma; same issue with decent grades but tough admissions at the time. but paris wasn't publicly talking up stanford the way robinson was. plus we had jayne appel and therefore didn't miss paris much.

i have followed stanford women's basketball since 1990, and danielle robinson and charisma osborne are the 2 players i have been truly (and vocally) disappointed to lose. (of course i wanted diggins; but i never got my hopes up to get her over n.d., her home town school)

[jonnyss]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford
Transcript please on Osborne?    I have no clue

Sabrina not possible

Diggins admitted

re: osborne

sure, as a sophomore, she'd be the #2 point guard behind kiana. as a junior, she'd be a replacement for kiana of about equal talent. jana's a good player, but she's not charisma, who, barring injury, is likely to be a first or second team all-american and first-round wnba pick.

link says osborne had all A's - at least into her junior year.

link says osborne had an offer from stanford. if true, it implies that, of osborne and jump, whoever committed first got the spot (as we didn't want 3 guards and only one big in the class).

checking google, jump committed on feb 16, 2018, belibi committed on may 18, prechtel committed on jun 8, 2018. osborne was talking about her interest in stanford through the summer and did not commit to ucla until sept 5. that could certainly mean that admissions turned her down on sept 5 because of standardized test scores (not likely to be grades at that time of year)

but my take, without evidence, is that hannah "jumped" on her offer, stanford wanted 2 bigs; so it was either haley or charisma. i'm guessing charisma kept the option of stanford open until haley told stanford she was likely coming - at which point stanford told charisma, and charisma picked ucla. or until stanford told charisma they would wait for haley as long as it took for haley to decide (which ended up being the week after official signing day because of local wildfires). at that point charisma gave up and picked ucla.

i thought at the time, and still think, that with so many mcdonald's aa athletes (like osborne) interested, stanford should not have offered hannah jump so early. hannah is local and very smart. seemed to me that hannah would reasonably have waited until the fall for stanford to decide if they had space for her. after all, if stanford didn't offer, she had the grades to go to yale, harvard, princeton or anywhere else in the pac-12.

re: ones that got away, the biggest one for me is local product, danielle robinson, mitty class of 2007. she and jeanette pohlen were the top 2 high school players in california that year. the hs championship was televised, i watched, and both were amazing: jeanette more the outside shooter, danielle the true point guard, super quick with unstoppable drives to the basket. danielle really wanted to come to stanford. i don't believe plum and ionescu were close in terms of grades, but robinson had good enough grades (can't find them online; but her college gpa was 3.5 putting her on all-academic teams) that she - and, presumably, tara -thought she would get in; she was a star at oklahoma and has been a star in the wnba (of stanford players, only nneka and chiney have done as well in the wnba). she was very disappointed to be dinged by admissions. i think current admissions would take her, but admissions at that time was more restrictive for top athletes. if you recall, we came very close to a national title in 2011, losing to texas a&m by one point in the final 4. that team had nneka, kayla, and jeanette pohlen - but jeanette had an ankle injury in that game. we would have won easily with danielle at point guard.

courtney paris also was local, wanted to come to stanford and ended up at oklahoma; same issue with decent grades but tough admissions at the time. but paris wasn't publicly talking up stanford the way robinson was. plus we had jayne appel and therefore didn't miss paris much.

i have followed stanford women's basketball since 1990, and danielle robinson and charisma osborne are the 2 players i have been truly (and vocally) disappointed to lose. (of course i wanted diggins; but i never got my hopes up to get her over n.d., her home town school)

[BobK]

Monique Billings another who couldn’t quite get in

Watching a 4.35 not get in, different sport it’s not easier at all

Robinson a brobdingnagian loss

The Paris twins step dad was a three sport athlete, football his top sport, at Stanford

Remember it’s not just two AP classes for non football athletes

[BobK]

Monique Billings another who couldn’t quite get in

Watching a 4.35 not get in, different sport it’s not easier at all

Robinson a brobdingnagian loss

The Paris twins step dad was a three sport athlete, football his top sport, at Stanford

Remember it’s not just two AP classes for non football athletes

[BosCard]

Monique Billings another who couldn’t quite get in

Watching a 4.35 not get in, different sport it’s not easier at all

Robinson a of immense proportions loss

The Paris twins step dad was a three sport athlete, football his top sport, at Stanford

Remember it’s not just two AP classes for non football athletes

I edited my post to change Osborne to maybe admitted.  Yes Diggins and Robinson are two that are probably in the would have won a national championship with them category.

[BosCard]

Monique Billings another who couldn’t quite get in

Watching a 4.35 not get in, different sport it’s not easier at all

Robinson a of immense proportions loss

The Paris twins step dad was a three sport athlete, football his top sport, at Stanford

Remember it’s not just two AP classes for non football athletes

I edited my post to change Osborne to maybe admitted.  Yes Diggins and Robinson are two that are probably in the would have won a national championship with them category.

[Hulk01]

So is a possible next year's starting lineup:

PG: Van G
G:  Lexie
W: Demetre
W: Jones
P:  Brink

?

Is Jenna Brown a possible lockdown defender?

[Hulk01]

So is a possible next year's starting lineup:

PG: Van G
G:  Lexie
W: Demetre
W: Jones
P:  Brink

?

Is Jenna Brown a possible lockdown defender?

[Softball Fan]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford

Transcript please on Osborne?    I have no clue



Sabrina not possible



Diggins admitted

 i think current admissions would take her, but admissions at that time was more restrictive for athletes.

I find that interesting.  My son was a 2007 admit (regular student; no athletic skills). I recall at the time the admit rate was 12%.  I thought there is no way the admit rate will go lower in future years or it will become more like a lottery chance.

Well, now the admit rate is around 4%.  So if admissions is less restrictive now for athletes that is surprising to me.  Would you relate your source for admissions now being easier for athletes.

[Softball Fan]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford

Transcript please on Osborne?    I have no clue



Sabrina not possible



Diggins admitted

 i think current admissions would take her, but admissions at that time was more restrictive for athletes.

I find that interesting.  My son was a 2007 admit (regular student; no athletic skills). I recall at the time the admit rate was 12%.  I thought there is no way the admit rate will go lower in future years or it will become more like a lottery chance.

Well, now the admit rate is around 4%.  So if admissions is less restrictive now for athletes that is surprising to me.  Would you relate your source for admissions now being easier for athletes.

[BobK]

Who is Jenna Brown? Has she been bothered by a bad knee at Stanford? Slowed her down? Or limited her practice time? It’s going to be interesting to see her next season. A reminder a McD

[BobK]

Who is Jenna Brown? Has she been bothered by a bad knee at Stanford? Slowed her down? Or limited her practice time? It’s going to be interesting to see her next season. A reminder a McD

[jonnyss]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford

Transcript please on Osborne?    I have no clue



Sabrina not possible



Diggins admitted

 i think current admissions would take her, but admissions at that time was more restrictive for athletes.

I find that interesting.  My son was a 2007 admit (regular student; no athletic skills). I recall at the time the admit rate was 12%.  I thought there is no way the admit rate will go lower in future years or it will become more like a lottery chance.

Well, now the admit rate is around 4%.  So if admissions is less restrictive now for athletes that is surprising to me.  Would you relate your source for admissions now being easier for athletes.

hmmm...i may certainly be wrong on that point. my source is tos, which in the early 2000's complained weekly about robin mamlet. in my memory, there were many threads complaining that admissions standards for athletes of national prominence (not all athletes) had tightened unreasonably under mamlet and went back to normal a few years after mamlet left in 2005.

my apologies to those of you who have friends or relatives who didn't get in. i should have left that point out. i spoke without direct knowledge and hadn't realized that stanford does not cut national top-20 recruits any admissions slack.

[jonnyss]

Plun’s tweet summed up her and Stanford

Transcript please on Osborne?    I have no clue



Sabrina not possible



Diggins admitted

 i think current admissions would take her, but admissions at that time was more restrictive for athletes.

I find that interesting.  My son was a 2007 admit (regular student; no athletic skills). I recall at the time the admit rate was 12%.  I thought there is no way the admit rate will go lower in future years or it will become more like a lottery chance.

Well, now the admit rate is around 4%.  So if admissions is less restrictive now for athletes that is surprising to me.  Would you relate your source for admissions now being easier for athletes.

hmmm...i may certainly be wrong on that point. my source is tos, which in the early 2000's complained weekly about robin mamlet. in my memory, there were many threads complaining that admissions standards for athletes of national prominence (not all athletes) had tightened unreasonably under mamlet and went back to normal a few years after mamlet left in 2005.

my apologies to those of you who have friends or relatives who didn't get in. i should have left that point out. i spoke without direct knowledge and hadn't realized that stanford does not cut national top-20 recruits any admissions slack.

[chimera]

We have no way to know if Osborne got in, no way to know what the coaches prioritized, etc., etc.  There is always that maybe she simply liked UCLA better.  She is from that area, after all.  The last player in the class to commit was Jones, correct?  So maybe it was Jones vs Osborne, which I doubt and anyway, who cares?  If Osborne was on our team, she probably doesn't have the stats she has now given who she would be competing with for playing time.  Also keep in mind that recruiting is not a perfect science.  Nobody knows for sure what they will get until a player is playing in college, or how they will develop in their career.  I just don't see the point of this, and it seems unfair to Hannah Jump, who contributes and who has worked quite hard to get into the best shape possible.  I guess since I don't like this I should butt out, which I will, but I finally felt the need to say something.

[chimera]

We have no way to know if Osborne got in, no way to know what the coaches prioritized, etc., etc.  There is always that maybe she simply liked UCLA better.  She is from that area, after all.  The last player in the class to commit was Jones, correct?  So maybe it was Jones vs Osborne, which I doubt and anyway, who cares?  If Osborne was on our team, she probably doesn't have the stats she has now given who she would be competing with for playing time.  Also keep in mind that recruiting is not a perfect science.  Nobody knows for sure what they will get until a player is playing in college, or how they will develop in their career.  I just don't see the point of this, and it seems unfair to Hannah Jump, who contributes and who has worked quite hard to get into the best shape possible.  I guess since I don't like this I should butt out, which I will, but I finally felt the need to say something.

[CompSci87]

We have no way to know if Osborne got in, no way to know what the coaches prioritized, etc., etc.  There is always that maybe she simply liked UCLA better.  She is from that area, after all.  The last player in the class to commit was Jones, correct?  So maybe it was Jones vs Osborne, which I doubt and anyway, who cares?  If Osborne was on our team, she probably doesn't have the stats she has now given who she would be competing with for playing time.  Also keep in mind that recruiting is not a perfect science.  Nobody knows for sure what they will get until a player is playing in college, or how they will develop in their career.  I just don't see the point of this, and it seems unfair to Hannah Jump, who contributes and who has worked quite hard to get into the best shape possible.  I guess since I don't like this I should butt out, which I will, but I finally felt the need to say something.

Great post. I'm glad you spoke up.

[CompSci87]

We have no way to know if Osborne got in, no way to know what the coaches prioritized, etc., etc.  There is always that maybe she simply liked UCLA better.  She is from that area, after all.  The last player in the class to commit was Jones, correct?  So maybe it was Jones vs Osborne, which I doubt and anyway, who cares?  If Osborne was on our team, she probably doesn't have the stats she has now given who she would be competing with for playing time.  Also keep in mind that recruiting is not a perfect science.  Nobody knows for sure what they will get until a player is playing in college, or how they will develop in their career.  I just don't see the point of this, and it seems unfair to Hannah Jump, who contributes and who has worked quite hard to get into the best shape possible.  I guess since I don't like this I should butt out, which I will, but I finally felt the need to say something.

Great post. I'm glad you spoke up.

[WBB fan]

We have no way to know if Osborne got in, no way to know what the coaches prioritized, etc., etc.  There is always that maybe she simply liked UCLA better.  She is from that area, after all.  The last player in the class to commit was Jones, correct?  So maybe it was Jones vs Osborne, which I doubt and anyway, who cares?  If Osborne was on our team, she probably doesn't have the stats she has now given who she would be competing with for playing time.  Also keep in mind that recruiting is not a perfect science.  Nobody knows for sure what they will get until a player is playing in college, or how they will develop in their career.  I just don't see the point of this, and it seems unfair to Hannah Jump, who contributes and who has worked quite hard to get into the best shape possible.  I guess since I don't like this I should butt out, which I will, but I finally felt the need to say something.

Great post. I'm glad you spoke up.

Totally agree. Well said -- there is always so much we don't know.

[WBB fan]

We have no way to know if Osborne got in, no way to know what the coaches prioritized, etc., etc.  There is always that maybe she simply liked UCLA better.  She is from that area, after all.  The last player in the class to commit was Jones, correct?  So maybe it was Jones vs Osborne, which I doubt and anyway, who cares?  If Osborne was on our team, she probably doesn't have the stats she has now given who she would be competing with for playing time.  Also keep in mind that recruiting is not a perfect science.  Nobody knows for sure what they will get until a player is playing in college, or how they will develop in their career.  I just don't see the point of this, and it seems unfair to Hannah Jump, who contributes and who has worked quite hard to get into the best shape possible.  I guess since I don't like this I should butt out, which I will, but I finally felt the need to say something.

Great post. I'm glad you spoke up.

Totally agree. Well said -- there is always so much we don't know.