04-28-2021, 01:12 PM
Women’s Golf the NCAA regional
04-28-2021, 02:20 PM
That's a tough lineup. Only the top six teams and top 3 individuals not on a qualifying team move on. If they hold their #5 seed they will move on, but if they slip up and don't play well that'll be a very disappointing end for a really strong but very young team (1 junior, 2 sophomores, 2 freshmen).
That's a tough lineup. Only the top six teams and top 3 individuals not on a qualifying team move on. If they hold their #5 seed they will move on, but if they slip up and don't play well that'll be a very disappointing end for a really strong but very young team (1 junior, 2 sophomores, 2 freshmen).
04-28-2021, 02:31 PM
That lineup includes 2 recent national champs (Stanford, Arizona), 2 recent runners-up (Wake Forest, Northwestern), a perennial match play qualifier (USC) and the B12 champ this year Oklahoma State (over Baylor and Texas). Lots of strong programs. If Stanford advances, they will have earned it.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
That lineup includes 2 recent national champs (Stanford, Arizona), 2 recent runners-up (Wake Forest, Northwestern), a perennial match play qualifier (USC) and the B12 champ this year Oklahoma State (over Baylor and Texas). Lots of strong programs. If Stanford advances, they will have earned it.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
04-28-2021, 03:58 PM
home course advantage has got to be worth something -- how many strokes would you say?
04-29-2021, 06:23 AM
(04-28-2021, 03:58 PM)oldalum Wrote: home course advantage has got to be worth something -- how many strokes would you say?
That can vary quite a bit, depending on which teams/players:
- Have they ever played here before? If they have, then the advantage isn't much
- What grasses are they used to playing on? Yes, this makes a big difference, especially for players who are most familiar with Bermuda grass which is common in the south and southeast.
- How do they play on tough courses? Players who are used to making birdies and not having to scramble for par could struggle. 8 of 53 women at Pac-12s finished under par (15%). That might climb to 20% given that the field is likely a little better than it was at Pac-12s especially the bottom half
- The greens have a lot of subtle breaks, but these players will adjust to them pretty well after the practice round.
Put all that together, I'd give Stanford at most a 1-2 stroke advantage per player = 4-8 strokes overall. They should have no trouble making the cut unless most of them play poorly.
The one lineup issue I could see for Stanford is Sadie Engelmann who has not played well of late. Each team is allowed to roster 6 players and choose 5 each day. She will likely be in the #5 slot but it wouldn't surprise me if we see another player in that spot Tuesday and/or Wednesday if she plays poorly on Monday. Junior Calista Reyes or senior Ziyi Wang ar the likeliest 6th players
(04-28-2021, 03:58 PM)oldalum Wrote: home course advantage has got to be worth something -- how many strokes would you say?
That can vary quite a bit, depending on which teams/players:
- Have they ever played here before? If they have, then the advantage isn't much
- What grasses are they used to playing on? Yes, this makes a big difference, especially for players who are most familiar with Bermuda grass which is common in the south and southeast.
- How do they play on tough courses? Players who are used to making birdies and not having to scramble for par could struggle. 8 of 53 women at Pac-12s finished under par (15%). That might climb to 20% given that the field is likely a little better than it was at Pac-12s especially the bottom half
- The greens have a lot of subtle breaks, but these players will adjust to them pretty well after the practice round.
Put all that together, I'd give Stanford at most a 1-2 stroke advantage per player = 4-8 strokes overall. They should have no trouble making the cut unless most of them play poorly.
The one lineup issue I could see for Stanford is Sadie Engelmann who has not played well of late. Each team is allowed to roster 6 players and choose 5 each day. She will likely be in the #5 slot but it wouldn't surprise me if we see another player in that spot Tuesday and/or Wednesday if she plays poorly on Monday. Junior Calista Reyes or senior Ziyi Wang ar the likeliest 6th players
04-29-2021, 10:38 AM
(04-29-2021, 06:23 AM)winflop Wrote:(04-28-2021, 03:58 PM)oldalum Wrote: home course advantage has got to be worth something -- how many strokes would you say?
That can vary quite a bit, depending on which teams/players:
- Have they ever played here before? If they have, then the advantage isn't much
- What grasses are they used to playing on? Yes, this makes a big difference, especially for players who are most familiar with Bermuda grass which is common in the south and southeast.
- How do they play on tough courses? Players who are used to making birdies and not having to scramble for par could struggle. 8 of 53 women at Pac-12s finished under par (15%). That might climb to 20% given that the field is likely a little better than it was at Pac-12s especially the bottom half
- The greens have a lot of subtle breaks, but these players will adjust to them pretty well after the practice round.
Put all that together, I'd give Stanford at most a 1-2 stroke advantage per player = 4-8 strokes overall. They should have no trouble making the cut unless most of them play poorly.
The one lineup issue I could see for Stanford is Sadie Engelmann who has not played well of late. Each team is allowed to roster 6 players and choose 5 each day. She will likely be in the #5 slot but it wouldn't surprise me if we see another player in that spot Tuesday and/or Wednesday if she plays poorly on Monday. Junior Calista Reyes or senior Ziyi Wang ar the likeliest 6th players
The course will certainly be familiar to USC and Arizona. They just completed the P12 championship tournament on the Stanford course. USC won by 5 shots over Stanford.
Win, Englemann did shoot 69 in her final round at P12s. She also finished higher than either Seay or Krauter in the prior 2 tournaments. Maybe she just needed to adjust to the higher pressure of the conference tournament. She has more rounds in the 60s this season than Krauter and Seay combined. I would hope that she is solidly in the lineup.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
(04-29-2021, 06:23 AM)winflop Wrote:(04-28-2021, 03:58 PM)oldalum Wrote: home course advantage has got to be worth something -- how many strokes would you say?
That can vary quite a bit, depending on which teams/players:
- Have they ever played here before? If they have, then the advantage isn't much
- What grasses are they used to playing on? Yes, this makes a big difference, especially for players who are most familiar with Bermuda grass which is common in the south and southeast.
- How do they play on tough courses? Players who are used to making birdies and not having to scramble for par could struggle. 8 of 53 women at Pac-12s finished under par (15%). That might climb to 20% given that the field is likely a little better than it was at Pac-12s especially the bottom half
- The greens have a lot of subtle breaks, but these players will adjust to them pretty well after the practice round.
Put all that together, I'd give Stanford at most a 1-2 stroke advantage per player = 4-8 strokes overall. They should have no trouble making the cut unless most of them play poorly.
The one lineup issue I could see for Stanford is Sadie Engelmann who has not played well of late. Each team is allowed to roster 6 players and choose 5 each day. She will likely be in the #5 slot but it wouldn't surprise me if we see another player in that spot Tuesday and/or Wednesday if she plays poorly on Monday. Junior Calista Reyes or senior Ziyi Wang ar the likeliest 6th players
The course will certainly be familiar to USC and Arizona. They just completed the P12 championship tournament on the Stanford course. USC won by 5 shots over Stanford.
Win, Englemann did shoot 69 in her final round at P12s. She also finished higher than either Seay or Krauter in the prior 2 tournaments. Maybe she just needed to adjust to the higher pressure of the conference tournament. She has more rounds in the 60s this season than Krauter and Seay combined. I would hope that she is solidly in the lineup.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
04-29-2021, 10:47 AM
In the ten rounds they have played in common this year, Engleman's beaten Reyes by 28 strokes and Wang by 21.
04-29-2021, 04:50 PM
All true. She's been a solid player but has hit a rough patch. And I know she's having some mental game issues. I'll just leave it at what I said - it wouldn't surprise me if she sits for a round or two if she plays poorly in Round 1. Fingers crossed she plays like she did on the last day of Pac-12s
All true. She's been a solid player but has hit a rough patch. And I know she's having some mental game issues. I'll just leave it at what I said - it wouldn't surprise me if she sits for a round or two if she plays poorly in Round 1. Fingers crossed she plays like she did on the last day of Pac-12s
04-29-2021, 09:09 PM
(04-29-2021, 04:50 PM)winflop Wrote: All true. She's been a solid player but has hit a rough patch. And I know she's having some mental game issues. I'll just leave it at what I said - it wouldn't surprise me if she sits for a round or two if she plays poorly in Round 1. Fingers crossed she plays like she did on the last day of Pac-12s
Thanks for the insight, Win. Appreciate it. Stanford AD does absolutely nothing to promote either golf program despite their recent run of success. But there clearly are people here who care about the teams so it's nice to get some reports.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
(04-29-2021, 04:50 PM)winflop Wrote: All true. She's been a solid player but has hit a rough patch. And I know she's having some mental game issues. I'll just leave it at what I said - it wouldn't surprise me if she sits for a round or two if she plays poorly in Round 1. Fingers crossed she plays like she did on the last day of Pac-12s
Thanks for the insight, Win. Appreciate it. Stanford AD does absolutely nothing to promote either golf program despite their recent run of success. But there clearly are people here who care about the teams so it's nice to get some reports.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
04-30-2021, 06:56 AM
The membership at the golf course are big supporters of both teams. Other teams and their coaches regularly comment about how much volunteer support there is at our tournaments.
It doesn't hurt to have financial support from the likes of Tom Siebel who wrote a blank check for their practice facility (which is of course named after him).
As a result of the 36 Sports Strong fiasco, I've now shifted all of my financial support from Buck/Cardinal to direct support of the golf programs.
It doesn't hurt to have financial support from the likes of Tom Siebel who wrote a blank check for their practice facility (which is of course named after him).
As a result of the 36 Sports Strong fiasco, I've now shifted all of my financial support from Buck/Cardinal to direct support of the golf programs.
The membership at the golf course are big supporters of both teams. Other teams and their coaches regularly comment about how much volunteer support there is at our tournaments.
It doesn't hurt to have financial support from the likes of Tom Siebel who wrote a blank check for their practice facility (which is of course named after him).
As a result of the 36 Sports Strong fiasco, I've now shifted all of my financial support from Buck/Cardinal to direct support of the golf programs.
It doesn't hurt to have financial support from the likes of Tom Siebel who wrote a blank check for their practice facility (which is of course named after him).
As a result of the 36 Sports Strong fiasco, I've now shifted all of my financial support from Buck/Cardinal to direct support of the golf programs.
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