Might as well bury this here.
[This observation is all a mess as I missed that Helfrich took over Oregon in 2013 - as noted by Embo. Still think there are some interesting parallels here, but the swap isn't with Kelly even though that first Helfrich team had a lot of Kelly in it.]
Interesting observation.
2013 Shaw coached team vs Kelly-successor coached team:
Shaw Team: 274 yds rushing at 4.2 yds/carry; total offense edge = 65 yds; scoring drives of 8:26, 7:23; TOP = 42+ mins
Kelly-successor Team: 62 yds rushing at 2.6 yds/rush; 80% of yds passing; TD drives of 1:21, 2:51.
2021 Shaw coached team vs Kelly coached team:
Shaw Team: 67 yds rushing at 3.0 yds/rush; 81% of yds passing; TD drives of 0:10, 2:06.
Kelly Team: 204 yds rushing at 3.9 yds/carry; total offense edge = 95 yds; scoring drives of 8:00, 6:40; TOP = 37+ mins
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Lots of complaints about scheme in this thread. I know that's the standard fan complaint, but there's no scheme that is going to overcome an OL that cannot run or pass block, lack of RBs (notably in pass blocking), a QB badly missing throws (first half), and a defense short of DBs and DLs.
Overall, after recovering from in-game emotions, I'd tend to agree with Kelly. The schemes were about as much as one can do under the circumstances: setting up some big plays because you obviously cannot sustain drives. And on defense selling out against the run - hoping for mistakes in the pass game thus managing 5 drives with punts after no more than one first down.
And Kelly and Shaw clearly like each other. Going back a long way.
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UCLA's game plan.
Some stated UCLA would have run going away had they simply run the ball more.
Hard to see how that would be.
UCLA ran 52 times vs 29 pass attempts. That's 64+% run plays. That's as high a percentage as you're going to see outside of the service academies.
UCLA averaged 8.7 yds/pass attempt, 3.9 yds/rush attempt.
UCLA won the game on a series of key passes: 5 straight completions leading to end of half TD, 75 yd pass to retake lead, two critical third down completions on the final clinching drive.
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I didn't see any quit in the team this game. A terrible first half, particularly by the offense, terrible line play, but then a strong comeback.
The defense ran out of steam, and the offense couldn't either stop or overcome the pressure, but it seemed like a team putting up a fight.
[This observation is all a mess as I missed that Helfrich took over Oregon in 2013 - as noted by Embo. Still think there are some interesting parallels here, but the swap isn't with Kelly even though that first Helfrich team had a lot of Kelly in it.]
Interesting observation.
2013 Shaw coached team vs Kelly-successor coached team:
Shaw Team: 274 yds rushing at 4.2 yds/carry; total offense edge = 65 yds; scoring drives of 8:26, 7:23; TOP = 42+ mins
Kelly-successor Team: 62 yds rushing at 2.6 yds/rush; 80% of yds passing; TD drives of 1:21, 2:51.
2021 Shaw coached team vs Kelly coached team:
Shaw Team: 67 yds rushing at 3.0 yds/rush; 81% of yds passing; TD drives of 0:10, 2:06.
Kelly Team: 204 yds rushing at 3.9 yds/carry; total offense edge = 95 yds; scoring drives of 8:00, 6:40; TOP = 37+ mins
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(09-26-2021, 05:34 AM)French Rage Wrote: And yes, his postgame comments, that we were playing shorthanded so he was very impressed with the gameplan we put together given that, were surprisingly conciliatory.
Lots of complaints about scheme in this thread. I know that's the standard fan complaint, but there's no scheme that is going to overcome an OL that cannot run or pass block, lack of RBs (notably in pass blocking), a QB badly missing throws (first half), and a defense short of DBs and DLs.
Overall, after recovering from in-game emotions, I'd tend to agree with Kelly. The schemes were about as much as one can do under the circumstances: setting up some big plays because you obviously cannot sustain drives. And on defense selling out against the run - hoping for mistakes in the pass game thus managing 5 drives with punts after no more than one first down.
And Kelly and Shaw clearly like each other. Going back a long way.
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UCLA's game plan.
Some stated UCLA would have run going away had they simply run the ball more.
Hard to see how that would be.
UCLA ran 52 times vs 29 pass attempts. That's 64+% run plays. That's as high a percentage as you're going to see outside of the service academies.
UCLA averaged 8.7 yds/pass attempt, 3.9 yds/rush attempt.
UCLA won the game on a series of key passes: 5 straight completions leading to end of half TD, 75 yd pass to retake lead, two critical third down completions on the final clinching drive.
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(09-26-2021, 03:38 PM)BostonCard Wrote: One very big difference. The players haven’t quit.
I didn't see any quit in the team this game. A terrible first half, particularly by the offense, terrible line play, but then a strong comeback.
The defense ran out of steam, and the offense couldn't either stop or overcome the pressure, but it seemed like a team putting up a fight.


