02-17-2022, 10:49 PM
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Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip.
Men's BB: Stanford lost to Utah on Thursday
02-17-2022, 10:51 PM
Hasse not calling a timeout after Utah’s missed free throw is mind boggling. Unless they were out of timeouts
02-17-2022, 10:51 PM
That big lineup couldn't score and yet Haase stuck with it
Sigh. Every year Haase's teams play their worst basketball towards the end of the season.
Sigh. Every year Haase's teams play their worst basketball towards the end of the season.
02-17-2022, 10:54 PM
Ugly, ugly loss. Arnaud shooting the three? GMAFB.
Ugly, ugly loss. Arnaud shooting the three? GMAFB.
02-17-2022, 10:55 PM
That pretty much does it. Muir better start making some calls and Haase and his assistants better start polishing up their resumes.
02-17-2022, 10:56 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2022, 10:59 PM by old spanish trail.)
(02-17-2022, 10:54 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Ugly, ugly loss. Arnaud shooting the three? GMAFB.
He may have the best % on the team. Did you want Jones to take it when he was having an awful eve? But, yes it was strange/
(02-17-2022, 10:51 PM)burger Wrote: That big lineup couldn't score and yet Haase stuck with it
Sigh. Every year Haase's teams play their worst basketball towards the end of the season.
Did Silva make a misplay I missed. Thought he played pretty well.
Oh, no! we might not make the NIT!!!
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2022, 10:59 PM by old spanish trail.)
(02-17-2022, 10:54 PM)TonyLima Wrote: Ugly, ugly loss. Arnaud shooting the three? GMAFB.
He may have the best % on the team. Did you want Jones to take it when he was having an awful eve? But, yes it was strange/
(02-17-2022, 10:51 PM)burger Wrote: That big lineup couldn't score and yet Haase stuck with it
Sigh. Every year Haase's teams play their worst basketball towards the end of the season.
Did Silva make a misplay I missed. Thought he played pretty well.
Oh, no! we might not make the NIT!!!
02-17-2022, 11:00 PM
Don't know all the problems, but it's commonplace under Haase to go loooong stretches without buckets.
Rather disappointed in the players today as well. Very little competitive fire on display.
Rather disappointed in the players today as well. Very little competitive fire on display.
02-17-2022, 11:00 PM
I’d be ok to see Haase, Shaw and Muir go. I’m not one to wish anyone fired/dismisses from their job, but these guys will be just fine.
(02-17-2022, 11:00 PM)cardfan77 Wrote: I’d be ok to see Haase, Shaw and Muir go. I’m not one to wish anyone fired/dismisses from their job, but these guys will be just fine.
I was at the game and Shaw and Muir sat together for most of the first half. Was thinking of all the great things I'd like to go over and say to them (and Haase), but I'm not that obnoxious. :-)
I couldn't figure out why O'Connell didn't play down the stretch. I know he's coming back from injury, but he started and looked good in the minutes he played. Though I was not an early fan of his, I have to admit that he is a steady presence with the ball and can score a bit. Thought we really needed him down the stretch. Anyone have an idea if this was classic Haasian bone-headedness or was MOC unable to go?
(02-17-2022, 11:00 PM)needle Wrote: Don't know all the problems, but it's commonplace under Haase to go loooong stretches without buckets.
Rather disappointed in the players today as well. Very little competitive fire on display.
I'll quibble with that latter part. I was there and up close (who wasn't...there was no one in Maples!) and thought the players played hard. I think that (a) this is only a modestly talented group of players in the scheme of things, though enough talent do be a solid Pac-12 team given the current state of the conference, but (b) they have a f-ing terrible coach who doesn't know how to maximize their talent or coach any semblance of offense.
Anyone else notice that (at least to my memory) we had no free throws in the first half? I don't take it as a sign of lack of aggression of the individual players, but reflective of an offense that consists almost entirely of passing the ball around the perimeter ad nauseam without any screening to create open looks. Hey Jerod, maybe that isn't the best way to create shots?? Maybe we don't have the individual talent that that works??? Anyway, as has been said way too often over recent years, the fact that the team plays worse as the season progresses year after year is a flashing neon light that we have a bad coach. I feel bad for the kids; they deserve better than Haase.
(02-17-2022, 11:00 PM)cardfan77 Wrote: I’d be ok to see Haase, Shaw and Muir go. I’m not one to wish anyone fired/dismisses from their job, but these guys will be just fine.
I was at the game and Shaw and Muir sat together for most of the first half. Was thinking of all the great things I'd like to go over and say to them (and Haase), but I'm not that obnoxious. :-)
I couldn't figure out why O'Connell didn't play down the stretch. I know he's coming back from injury, but he started and looked good in the minutes he played. Though I was not an early fan of his, I have to admit that he is a steady presence with the ball and can score a bit. Thought we really needed him down the stretch. Anyone have an idea if this was classic Haasian bone-headedness or was MOC unable to go?
(02-17-2022, 11:00 PM)needle Wrote: Don't know all the problems, but it's commonplace under Haase to go loooong stretches without buckets.
Rather disappointed in the players today as well. Very little competitive fire on display.
I'll quibble with that latter part. I was there and up close (who wasn't...there was no one in Maples!) and thought the players played hard. I think that (a) this is only a modestly talented group of players in the scheme of things, though enough talent do be a solid Pac-12 team given the current state of the conference, but (b) they have a f-ing terrible coach who doesn't know how to maximize their talent or coach any semblance of offense.
Anyone else notice that (at least to my memory) we had no free throws in the first half? I don't take it as a sign of lack of aggression of the individual players, but reflective of an offense that consists almost entirely of passing the ball around the perimeter ad nauseam without any screening to create open looks. Hey Jerod, maybe that isn't the best way to create shots?? Maybe we don't have the individual talent that that works??? Anyway, as has been said way too often over recent years, the fact that the team plays worse as the season progresses year after year is a flashing neon light that we have a bad coach. I feel bad for the kids; they deserve better than Haase.
My guess we lose our last 4 games (senior night this weekend) then 3 on the road. End the regular season with 5 straight loses. That is a typical Haase way to end the season. In the biggest moments/games, we play our worst basketball. History proving so the last few years speaks for itself.
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My guess we lose our last 4 games (senior night this weekend) then 3 on the road. End the regular season with 5 straight loses. That is a typical Haase way to end the season. In the biggest moments/games, we play our worst basketball. History proving so the last few years speaks for itself.
02-18-2022, 06:53 AM
Just for you young guys who weren’t there and have experienced Maples in the last decade.
It is impossible to explain the atmosphere at Maples during Monty’s run. Going forward Stanford should not allow men’s basketball to be played there. It is sacrilege.
It is impossible to explain the atmosphere at Maples during Monty’s run. Going forward Stanford should not allow men’s basketball to be played there. It is sacrilege.
Still in the same place...
Haase must be a GREAT guy, and he absolutely should write a book and hold seminars on how to keep your job when you aren't very good at job.
I am just at a loss for how, even now, there are so many that will say he just needs his own recruits, or he just needs a few recruits that don't jump to the NBA early, or he needs a few guys to stay healthy, etc.
The pattern has been repeated almost every year now.
Team is borderline amazing in November and early December. Experts praise the incoming talent, and declare that Stanford has improved since the end of last season.
Then in the first round of the Pac-12 schedule the team wins ugly against bad opponents, loses road games against almost all middle and top tier teams in the conference. However, people and experts remember a few games in November and declare Stanford is a bubble team that just needs to string some wins together.
By the second half of February the team loses to almost everyone.
I know many think Shaw should go but he is a 4 time Pac-12 COY. He is also the winningest coach in Stanford history. 2 of the last 3 years were tough, but at least he has had some success while coaching at Stanford.
Haase has nothing like that. He has yet to have a season where the team looked better in March than in November. He has not won a conference title. His Pac-12 tournament record is awful. And if by some miracle Stanford ever gets enough wins in November and December to sneak into the NCAA tournament, I am very confident Stanford under Haase would lose its first game even if that game was the 12 v 12 play-in game.
And yet, I need to remind myself that I still believe that none of the coaches will be fired this year because it has been really hard to win at Stanford during COVID. The campus environment is brutal, the travel for a basketball team seems crazy. Many of the world's elite athletes have found competing during the pandemic to be mentally and physically challenging, but they have it easy because they aren't also trying to get a Stanford degree during COVID while living on a campus with an environment clearly impacted by COVID protocols.
Tara should be hailed as a goddess for her ability to get through this, but most of the mere mortal coaches at Stanford have struggled. To me their shared struggles are probably not on Muir, they are likely on COVID.
I suspect the administrators at Stanford know this too, so I will be forced to "enjoy" another year with Haase in 2022-2023.
FWIW - I do think Stanford will actually lose all of its remaining games this season so I believe Haase will survive even though the team will finish with a 15-16 record. This year will just be another chapter in the book/seminar, "How to keep your job when you aren't good at your job."
Haase must be a GREAT guy, and he absolutely should write a book and hold seminars on how to keep your job when you aren't very good at job.
I am just at a loss for how, even now, there are so many that will say he just needs his own recruits, or he just needs a few recruits that don't jump to the NBA early, or he needs a few guys to stay healthy, etc.
The pattern has been repeated almost every year now.
Team is borderline amazing in November and early December. Experts praise the incoming talent, and declare that Stanford has improved since the end of last season.
Then in the first round of the Pac-12 schedule the team wins ugly against bad opponents, loses road games against almost all middle and top tier teams in the conference. However, people and experts remember a few games in November and declare Stanford is a bubble team that just needs to string some wins together.
By the second half of February the team loses to almost everyone.
I know many think Shaw should go but he is a 4 time Pac-12 COY. He is also the winningest coach in Stanford history. 2 of the last 3 years were tough, but at least he has had some success while coaching at Stanford.
Haase has nothing like that. He has yet to have a season where the team looked better in March than in November. He has not won a conference title. His Pac-12 tournament record is awful. And if by some miracle Stanford ever gets enough wins in November and December to sneak into the NCAA tournament, I am very confident Stanford under Haase would lose its first game even if that game was the 12 v 12 play-in game.
And yet, I need to remind myself that I still believe that none of the coaches will be fired this year because it has been really hard to win at Stanford during COVID. The campus environment is brutal, the travel for a basketball team seems crazy. Many of the world's elite athletes have found competing during the pandemic to be mentally and physically challenging, but they have it easy because they aren't also trying to get a Stanford degree during COVID while living on a campus with an environment clearly impacted by COVID protocols.
Tara should be hailed as a goddess for her ability to get through this, but most of the mere mortal coaches at Stanford have struggled. To me their shared struggles are probably not on Muir, they are likely on COVID.
I suspect the administrators at Stanford know this too, so I will be forced to "enjoy" another year with Haase in 2022-2023.
FWIW - I do think Stanford will actually lose all of its remaining games this season so I believe Haase will survive even though the team will finish with a 15-16 record. This year will just be another chapter in the book/seminar, "How to keep your job when you aren't good at your job."
Still in the same place...
Haase must be a GREAT guy, and he absolutely should write a book and hold seminars on how to keep your job when you aren't very good at job.
I am just at a loss for how, even now, there are so many that will say he just needs his own recruits, or he just needs a few recruits that don't jump to the NBA early, or he needs a few guys to stay healthy, etc.
The pattern has been repeated almost every year now.
Team is borderline amazing in November and early December. Experts praise the incoming talent, and declare that Stanford has improved since the end of last season.
Then in the first round of the Pac-12 schedule the team wins ugly against bad opponents, loses road games against almost all middle and top tier teams in the conference. However, people and experts remember a few games in November and declare Stanford is a bubble team that just needs to string some wins together.
By the second half of February the team loses to almost everyone.
I know many think Shaw should go but he is a 4 time Pac-12 COY. He is also the winningest coach in Stanford history. 2 of the last 3 years were tough, but at least he has had some success while coaching at Stanford.
Haase has nothing like that. He has yet to have a season where the team looked better in March than in November. He has not won a conference title. His Pac-12 tournament record is awful. And if by some miracle Stanford ever gets enough wins in November and December to sneak into the NCAA tournament, I am very confident Stanford under Haase would lose its first game even if that game was the 12 v 12 play-in game.
And yet, I need to remind myself that I still believe that none of the coaches will be fired this year because it has been really hard to win at Stanford during COVID. The campus environment is brutal, the travel for a basketball team seems crazy. Many of the world's elite athletes have found competing during the pandemic to be mentally and physically challenging, but they have it easy because they aren't also trying to get a Stanford degree during COVID while living on a campus with an environment clearly impacted by COVID protocols.
Tara should be hailed as a goddess for her ability to get through this, but most of the mere mortal coaches at Stanford have struggled. To me their shared struggles are probably not on Muir, they are likely on COVID.
I suspect the administrators at Stanford know this too, so I will be forced to "enjoy" another year with Haase in 2022-2023.
FWIW - I do think Stanford will actually lose all of its remaining games this season so I believe Haase will survive even though the team will finish with a 15-16 record. This year will just be another chapter in the book/seminar, "How to keep your job when you aren't good at your job."
Haase must be a GREAT guy, and he absolutely should write a book and hold seminars on how to keep your job when you aren't very good at job.
I am just at a loss for how, even now, there are so many that will say he just needs his own recruits, or he just needs a few recruits that don't jump to the NBA early, or he needs a few guys to stay healthy, etc.
The pattern has been repeated almost every year now.
Team is borderline amazing in November and early December. Experts praise the incoming talent, and declare that Stanford has improved since the end of last season.
Then in the first round of the Pac-12 schedule the team wins ugly against bad opponents, loses road games against almost all middle and top tier teams in the conference. However, people and experts remember a few games in November and declare Stanford is a bubble team that just needs to string some wins together.
By the second half of February the team loses to almost everyone.
I know many think Shaw should go but he is a 4 time Pac-12 COY. He is also the winningest coach in Stanford history. 2 of the last 3 years were tough, but at least he has had some success while coaching at Stanford.
Haase has nothing like that. He has yet to have a season where the team looked better in March than in November. He has not won a conference title. His Pac-12 tournament record is awful. And if by some miracle Stanford ever gets enough wins in November and December to sneak into the NCAA tournament, I am very confident Stanford under Haase would lose its first game even if that game was the 12 v 12 play-in game.
And yet, I need to remind myself that I still believe that none of the coaches will be fired this year because it has been really hard to win at Stanford during COVID. The campus environment is brutal, the travel for a basketball team seems crazy. Many of the world's elite athletes have found competing during the pandemic to be mentally and physically challenging, but they have it easy because they aren't also trying to get a Stanford degree during COVID while living on a campus with an environment clearly impacted by COVID protocols.
Tara should be hailed as a goddess for her ability to get through this, but most of the mere mortal coaches at Stanford have struggled. To me their shared struggles are probably not on Muir, they are likely on COVID.
I suspect the administrators at Stanford know this too, so I will be forced to "enjoy" another year with Haase in 2022-2023.
FWIW - I do think Stanford will actually lose all of its remaining games this season so I believe Haase will survive even though the team will finish with a 15-16 record. This year will just be another chapter in the book/seminar, "How to keep your job when you aren't good at your job."
02-18-2022, 07:58 AM
So happy to have had season tix thru the entire Monty years. And before.
Last night was beyond pathetic. We need more fund raising for the buy out. I believe and certainly hope I’m wrong that Hasse has two more years. I believe that because we have a top 15 commit for 2023.
Last night was beyond pathetic. We need more fund raising for the buy out. I believe and certainly hope I’m wrong that Hasse has two more years. I believe that because we have a top 15 commit for 2023.
So happy to have had season tix thru the entire Monty years. And before.
Last night was beyond pathetic. We need more fund raising for the buy out. I believe and certainly hope I’m wrong that Hasse has two more years. I believe that because we have a top 15 commit for 2023.
Last night was beyond pathetic. We need more fund raising for the buy out. I believe and certainly hope I’m wrong that Hasse has two more years. I believe that because we have a top 15 commit for 2023.
02-18-2022, 09:21 AM
(02-18-2022, 06:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Just for you young guys who weren’t there and have experienced Maples in the last decade.
It is impossible to explain the atmosphere at Maples during Monty’s run. Going forward Stanford should not allow men’s basketball to be played there. It is sacrilege.
Random video from 2004 on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mUg61TRjTI
(02-18-2022, 06:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Just for you young guys who weren’t there and have experienced Maples in the last decade.
It is impossible to explain the atmosphere at Maples during Monty’s run. Going forward Stanford should not allow men’s basketball to be played there. It is sacrilege.
Random video from 2004 on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mUg61TRjTI
(02-18-2022, 06:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Just for you young guys who weren’t there and have experienced Maples in the last decade.+1. Though IMHO, it was not just Monty, but pre-renovated Maples (coincidentally, it got renovated around the same time Monty left). They got rid of the bouncy floors and replaced the metal student bleachers section with those weird white flat plastic/rubber stair rows. The net effect greatly diminished the ability for students to loudly and boisterously influence the game atmosphere. (Of course, you also need to have loud and boisterous students, a necessary precondition neither Johnson nor Dawkins nor Haase has managed to achieve for very long...)
It is impossible to explain the atmosphere at Maples during Monty’s run. Going forward Stanford should not allow men’s basketball to be played there. It is sacrilege.
(02-18-2022, 06:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Just for you young guys who weren’t there and have experienced Maples in the last decade.+1. Though IMHO, it was not just Monty, but pre-renovated Maples (coincidentally, it got renovated around the same time Monty left). They got rid of the bouncy floors and replaced the metal student bleachers section with those weird white flat plastic/rubber stair rows. The net effect greatly diminished the ability for students to loudly and boisterously influence the game atmosphere. (Of course, you also need to have loud and boisterous students, a necessary precondition neither Johnson nor Dawkins nor Haase has managed to achieve for very long...)
It is impossible to explain the atmosphere at Maples during Monty’s run. Going forward Stanford should not allow men’s basketball to be played there. It is sacrilege.
02-18-2022, 11:03 PM
(02-18-2022, 11:15 AM)winflop Wrote:(02-18-2022, 01:00 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(02-17-2022, 09:35 PM)PVTree Wrote: We are playing down to the level of the competition so far.
Or maybe that is our level.
BC
I think the number of Quad 1 wins would suggest otherwise.
Maybe USC just played down to our level (I think that’s half of our quad 1 wins).
BC
(02-18-2022, 11:15 AM)winflop Wrote:(02-18-2022, 01:00 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(02-17-2022, 09:35 PM)PVTree Wrote: We are playing down to the level of the competition so far.
Or maybe that is our level.
BC
I think the number of Quad 1 wins would suggest otherwise.
Maybe USC just played down to our level (I think that’s half of our quad 1 wins).
BC
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