[JJJ]

John and Patrick McEnroe are both tennis analysts for ESPN.

I'm pretty sure John McEnroe never graduated.

Although he didn't graduate, he is considered an alum. So is Tiger Woods

If they are good, they are an alum. If they are not, they are not an alum. I'm not sure I like that distinction, but that seems to be the by-and-large truth of the matter.

I thought "alum" was not defined as a graduate (much to my surprise); but rather, as one who attended the school.
So these all would be alums/alumni, whether we "like" them or not; however, not all would be graduates.

Is that right, or am I mis-remembering an earlier discussion here (and by earlier, I mean years and years ago).

From the SAA: https://alumni.stanford.edu/terms/

Alumnus/a is defined as a person who: has attended Stanford University as a student for at least three quarters in a degree-earning program. This does not include students and/or graduates of the Stanford Continuing Studies program.... Each of the Websites reserves the rights to define its alumni body at its own discretion.

[JJJ]

John and Patrick McEnroe are both tennis analysts for ESPN.

I'm pretty sure John McEnroe never graduated.

Although he didn't graduate, he is considered an alum. So is Tiger Woods

If they are good, they are an alum. If they are not, they are not an alum. I'm not sure I like that distinction, but that seems to be the by-and-large truth of the matter.

I thought "alum" was not defined as a graduate (much to my surprise); but rather, as one who attended the school.
So these all would be alums/alumni, whether we "like" them or not; however, not all would be graduates.

Is that right, or am I mis-remembering an earlier discussion here (and by earlier, I mean years and years ago).

From the SAA: https://alumni.stanford.edu/terms/

Alumnus/a is defined as a person who: has attended Stanford University as a student for at least three quarters in a degree-earning program. This does not include students and/or graduates of the Stanford Continuing Studies program.... Each of the Websites reserves the rights to define its alumni body at its own discretion.

[winflop]

Evan Moore, former Stanford WR, has done some work on TV as a CFB analyst (and not just for Stanford spring games).

Not sure if he's still doing it, though.

I believe he was on P12N this past season and also had a couple of appearances on FS1.

[winflop]

Evan Moore, former Stanford WR, has done some work on TV as a CFB analyst (and not just for Stanford spring games).

Not sure if he's still doing it, though.

I believe he was on P12N this past season and also had a couple of appearances on FS1.

[Embo]

John and Patrick McEnroe are both tennis analysts for ESPN.

I'm pretty sure John McEnroe never graduated.

Although he didn't graduate, he is considered an alum. So is Tiger Woods

If they are good, they are an alum. If they are not, they are not an alum. I'm not sure I like that distinction, but that seems to be the by-and-large truth of the matter.

I thought "alum" was not defined as a graduate (much to my surprise); but rather, as one who attended the school.
So these all would be alums/alumni, whether we "like" them or not; however, not all would be graduates.

Is that right, or am I mis-remembering an earlier discussion here (and by earlier, I mean years and years ago).

You are correct regarding a discussion that was indeed decades ago.  In the late Spring 1998, there was a multi-city Stanford Athletics Department tour, and I was able to attend the luncheon in Sacramento.  It was, at the time, a star studded event.  Mike Montgomery, fresh off that memorable Final Four appearance, was the headliner.  Tyrone Willingham was also a speaker.  The Emcee was Bob Murphy.  And Darrin Nelson, then working for the AD, also gave a talk.  The thing I remember Darrin saying was that he favored all members of the Stanford Hall of Fame to be graduates, which meant excluding McEnroe.  I posted this on the nascent TOS discussion board and someone added that Darrin wasn't kidding.

[Embo]

John and Patrick McEnroe are both tennis analysts for ESPN.

I'm pretty sure John McEnroe never graduated.

Although he didn't graduate, he is considered an alum. So is Tiger Woods

If they are good, they are an alum. If they are not, they are not an alum. I'm not sure I like that distinction, but that seems to be the by-and-large truth of the matter.

I thought "alum" was not defined as a graduate (much to my surprise); but rather, as one who attended the school.
So these all would be alums/alumni, whether we "like" them or not; however, not all would be graduates.

Is that right, or am I mis-remembering an earlier discussion here (and by earlier, I mean years and years ago).

You are correct regarding a discussion that was indeed decades ago.  In the late Spring 1998, there was a multi-city Stanford Athletics Department tour, and I was able to attend the luncheon in Sacramento.  It was, at the time, a star studded event.  Mike Montgomery, fresh off that memorable Final Four appearance, was the headliner.  Tyrone Willingham was also a speaker.  The Emcee was Bob Murphy.  And Darrin Nelson, then working for the AD, also gave a talk.  The thing I remember Darrin saying was that he favored all members of the Stanford Hall of Fame to be graduates, which meant excluding McEnroe.  I posted this on the nascent TOS discussion board and someone added that Darrin wasn't kidding.