05-01-2022, 04:00 PM
Thomas Booker Drafted
05-01-2022, 05:23 PM
Whether we had zero or one UDFA is kind of beside the point. Only one drafted player and one UDFA is consistent with what we saw on the field.
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Whether we had zero or one UDFA is kind of beside the point. Only one drafted player and one UDFA is consistent with what we saw on the field.
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I view our players' 2023 draft prospects much more as "a lot of people have a chance" than there being such a clear a top tier. Yurosek is the only player who has performed at an NFL level. Well, according to PFF, Nugent too. This thread hasn't even mentioned him but he could be on a Dalman-like trajectory.
I view McKee, Kelly, and Higgins as the same category of having NFL attributes but not yet the performance. Bragg may be in this category as well.
Wilson has a chance I think. Ryan Whalen got drafted and Trent Irwin made the NFL.
A lot can happen in a year and there is a long list of guys who could play their way into consideration. Bragg, Rouse, and Nugent are probably the three not getting enough love in this thread.
McKee is the only first round possibility I think. But he's got a very wide range of where he'll be talked about a year from now.
I view McKee, Kelly, and Higgins as the same category of having NFL attributes but not yet the performance. Bragg may be in this category as well.
Wilson has a chance I think. Ryan Whalen got drafted and Trent Irwin made the NFL.
A lot can happen in a year and there is a long list of guys who could play their way into consideration. Bragg, Rouse, and Nugent are probably the three not getting enough love in this thread.
McKee is the only first round possibility I think. But he's got a very wide range of where he'll be talked about a year from now.
I view our players' 2023 draft prospects much more as "a lot of people have a chance" than there being such a clear a top tier. Yurosek is the only player who has performed at an NFL level. Well, according to PFF, Nugent too. This thread hasn't even mentioned him but he could be on a Dalman-like trajectory.
I view McKee, Kelly, and Higgins as the same category of having NFL attributes but not yet the performance. Bragg may be in this category as well.
Wilson has a chance I think. Ryan Whalen got drafted and Trent Irwin made the NFL.
A lot can happen in a year and there is a long list of guys who could play their way into consideration. Bragg, Rouse, and Nugent are probably the three not getting enough love in this thread.
McKee is the only first round possibility I think. But he's got a very wide range of where he'll be talked about a year from now.
I view McKee, Kelly, and Higgins as the same category of having NFL attributes but not yet the performance. Bragg may be in this category as well.
Wilson has a chance I think. Ryan Whalen got drafted and Trent Irwin made the NFL.
A lot can happen in a year and there is a long list of guys who could play their way into consideration. Bragg, Rouse, and Nugent are probably the three not getting enough love in this thread.
McKee is the only first round possibility I think. But he's got a very wide range of where he'll be talked about a year from now.
05-02-2022, 09:28 AM
(05-02-2022, 08:26 AM)fullmetal Wrote: If the Stanford OL lives up to recruiting expectations, a bunch of guys could look really good. Fingers crossed. Til then, they are as good as theuir results say you are.
To be clear on as good as their results say they are, among all Pac-12 linemen slated to play in 2022 (including incoming guys from the transfer portal from other conferences), according to PFF Nugent comes into 2022 as the #8 lineman in the Pac-12 and Rouse comes in as #13.
The Pac-12 had three linemen drafted in 2022, five in 2021, six in 2020, four in 2019, five in 2018, seven in 2017, seven in 2016, five in 2015, four in 2014, five in 2013, eight in 2012, two in 2011, two in 2010, six in 2009, five in 2008, three in 2007, eight in 2006, and six in 2005. That's just over five on average per year. With 2022 being a light OL year for the conference, one would expect 2023 to be an uptick. We have several guys who need to take a step forward but will at least be on radars/have a chance.
Based on past performance/trajectory, essentially our entire offensive line has a chance of being drafted and all will depend on how individuals play this year and/or how long they stay at Stanford. If individuals don't improve on last year's play they will be hard-pressed to be drafted, but year-to-year improvement is normal for linemen and our guys have a chance. Moreover, if they're not quite there after this season they have eligibility to return and improve their stock.
Rouse, Miller, and Hornibrook have two years of eligibility left while Bragg, Nugent, and Hinton have three years of eligibility left. However, it's not clear any of them will complete their eligibility. All but Hinton are "seniors" academically this year and, increasingly, that has come to be viewed as the culmination of one's career at Stanford. Much about Stanford's prospects in 2023 as well as our NFL draft prospects in 2023 and 2024 depends not only on how well these guys play but how long they stick around. One could easily imagine, for instance, good years by any of these guys this season and dominant years next season. My guess, though, is that we get good years by several of them, they try their luck in the draft (which may or may not pay off) and Stanford's OL next year will face a rebuild.
(05-02-2022, 08:26 AM)fullmetal Wrote: If the Stanford OL lives up to recruiting expectations, a bunch of guys could look really good. Fingers crossed. Til then, they are as good as theuir results say you are.
To be clear on as good as their results say they are, among all Pac-12 linemen slated to play in 2022 (including incoming guys from the transfer portal from other conferences), according to PFF Nugent comes into 2022 as the #8 lineman in the Pac-12 and Rouse comes in as #13.
The Pac-12 had three linemen drafted in 2022, five in 2021, six in 2020, four in 2019, five in 2018, seven in 2017, seven in 2016, five in 2015, four in 2014, five in 2013, eight in 2012, two in 2011, two in 2010, six in 2009, five in 2008, three in 2007, eight in 2006, and six in 2005. That's just over five on average per year. With 2022 being a light OL year for the conference, one would expect 2023 to be an uptick. We have several guys who need to take a step forward but will at least be on radars/have a chance.
Based on past performance/trajectory, essentially our entire offensive line has a chance of being drafted and all will depend on how individuals play this year and/or how long they stay at Stanford. If individuals don't improve on last year's play they will be hard-pressed to be drafted, but year-to-year improvement is normal for linemen and our guys have a chance. Moreover, if they're not quite there after this season they have eligibility to return and improve their stock.
Rouse, Miller, and Hornibrook have two years of eligibility left while Bragg, Nugent, and Hinton have three years of eligibility left. However, it's not clear any of them will complete their eligibility. All but Hinton are "seniors" academically this year and, increasingly, that has come to be viewed as the culmination of one's career at Stanford. Much about Stanford's prospects in 2023 as well as our NFL draft prospects in 2023 and 2024 depends not only on how well these guys play but how long they stick around. One could easily imagine, for instance, good years by any of these guys this season and dominant years next season. My guess, though, is that we get good years by several of them, they try their luck in the draft (which may or may not pay off) and Stanford's OL next year will face a rebuild.
05-02-2022, 11:21 AM
Obviously mock drafts a year in advance are ridiculous, but Pro Football Focus (pff.com) has Tanner McKee mocked as the sixth overall pick in next year's draft. That seems pretty optimistic, but it reflects the fact that he has the profile that NFL teams look for at the position; he's on the radar and if he performs well he could certainly be drafted high.
Obviously mock drafts a year in advance are ridiculous, but Pro Football Focus (pff.com) has Tanner McKee mocked as the sixth overall pick in next year's draft. That seems pretty optimistic, but it reflects the fact that he has the profile that NFL teams look for at the position; he's on the radar and if he performs well he could certainly be drafted high.
05-03-2022, 11:53 AM
(05-02-2022, 11:21 AM)DC 86 Wrote: Obviously mock drafts a year in advance are ridiculous, but Pro Football Focus (pff.com) has Tanner McKee mocked as the sixth overall pick in next year's draft. That seems pretty optimistic, but it reflects the fact that he has the profile that NFL teams look for at the position; he's on the radar and if he performs well he could certainly be drafted high.
Today The Athletic also mocked McKee as going in the first round next year, 25th overall.
(05-02-2022, 11:21 AM)DC 86 Wrote: Obviously mock drafts a year in advance are ridiculous, but Pro Football Focus (pff.com) has Tanner McKee mocked as the sixth overall pick in next year's draft. That seems pretty optimistic, but it reflects the fact that he has the profile that NFL teams look for at the position; he's on the radar and if he performs well he could certainly be drafted high.
Today The Athletic also mocked McKee as going in the first round next year, 25th overall.
05-03-2022, 12:23 PM
Certainly very interesting to see where people are slotting McKee but nobody has any idea yet on QBs for next year. For fun I just looked at a mock draft a year ago that had Sam Howell, JT Daniels, Spencer Rattler, and Kedon Slovis in the first round. In real life, Howell went in the fifth round and the other three lost their college jobs and transferred. Todd McShay had Slovis going #2 overall, Howell #7, Rattler #11, Malik Willis #15, and Desmond Ridder #16. Two years ago McShay had Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, and Trey Lance correctly pegged as going early but Zach Wilson and Mac Jones of course came out of nowhere. Three years ago the preseason mock drafts knew Tua Tagovailoa and Justin Herbert were coming, but the #1 overall pick (Joe Burrow) was nowhere on radars whereas Nate Stanley made McShay's way-too-early mock draft first round before going in the seventh round a year later.
This stuff is fun but hard. Definitely way-too-early to know McKee's stock. Personally, maybe I'm being too glib about this but I feel like he is almost equally likely to go anywhere between #1 overall and #140. If he's not supposed to go top 90 or so maybe he comes back.
This stuff is fun but hard. Definitely way-too-early to know McKee's stock. Personally, maybe I'm being too glib about this but I feel like he is almost equally likely to go anywhere between #1 overall and #140. If he's not supposed to go top 90 or so maybe he comes back.
Certainly very interesting to see where people are slotting McKee but nobody has any idea yet on QBs for next year. For fun I just looked at a mock draft a year ago that had Sam Howell, JT Daniels, Spencer Rattler, and Kedon Slovis in the first round. In real life, Howell went in the fifth round and the other three lost their college jobs and transferred. Todd McShay had Slovis going #2 overall, Howell #7, Rattler #11, Malik Willis #15, and Desmond Ridder #16. Two years ago McShay had Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, and Trey Lance correctly pegged as going early but Zach Wilson and Mac Jones of course came out of nowhere. Three years ago the preseason mock drafts knew Tua Tagovailoa and Justin Herbert were coming, but the #1 overall pick (Joe Burrow) was nowhere on radars whereas Nate Stanley made McShay's way-too-early mock draft first round before going in the seventh round a year later.
This stuff is fun but hard. Definitely way-too-early to know McKee's stock. Personally, maybe I'm being too glib about this but I feel like he is almost equally likely to go anywhere between #1 overall and #140. If he's not supposed to go top 90 or so maybe he comes back.
This stuff is fun but hard. Definitely way-too-early to know McKee's stock. Personally, maybe I'm being too glib about this but I feel like he is almost equally likely to go anywhere between #1 overall and #140. If he's not supposed to go top 90 or so maybe he comes back.
05-03-2022, 12:31 PM
(05-03-2022, 12:23 PM)msqueri Wrote: Certainly very interesting to see where people are slotting McKee but nobody has any idea yet on QBs for next year. For fun I just looked at a mock draft a year ago that had Sam Howell, JT Daniels, Spencer Rattler, and Kedon Slovis in the first round. In real life, Howell went in the fifth round and the other three lost their college jobs and transferred. Todd McShay had Slovis going #2 overall, Howell #7, Rattler #11, Malik Willis #15, and Desmond Ridder #16. Two years ago McShay had Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, and Trey Lance correctly pegged as going early but Zach Wilson and Mac Jones of course came out of nowhere. Three years ago the preseason mock drafts knew Tua Tagovailoa and Justin Herbert were coming, but the #1 overall pick (Joe Burrow) was nowhere on radars whereas Nate Stanley made McShay's way-too-early mock draft first round before going in the seventh round a year later.
This stuff is fun but hard. Definitely way-too-early to know McKee's stock. Personally, maybe I'm being too glib about this but I feel like he is almost equally likely to go anywhere between #1 overall and #140. If he's not supposed to go top 90 or so maybe he comes back.
The range of outcomes for McKee in particular is immense. My only point in all this, in response to posts that didn't include him at all as a draft prospect, is that he's clearly on NFL teams' radars, now it's up to him and to good fortune (injury and otherwise). One never knows; Costello was properly projected as a likely draft choice (possibly day one or two) until he was injured, transferred and ultimately was benched. Meanwhile, nobody projected Solomon Thomas as third overall pick until it happened.
(05-03-2022, 12:23 PM)msqueri Wrote: Certainly very interesting to see where people are slotting McKee but nobody has any idea yet on QBs for next year. For fun I just looked at a mock draft a year ago that had Sam Howell, JT Daniels, Spencer Rattler, and Kedon Slovis in the first round. In real life, Howell went in the fifth round and the other three lost their college jobs and transferred. Todd McShay had Slovis going #2 overall, Howell #7, Rattler #11, Malik Willis #15, and Desmond Ridder #16. Two years ago McShay had Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, and Trey Lance correctly pegged as going early but Zach Wilson and Mac Jones of course came out of nowhere. Three years ago the preseason mock drafts knew Tua Tagovailoa and Justin Herbert were coming, but the #1 overall pick (Joe Burrow) was nowhere on radars whereas Nate Stanley made McShay's way-too-early mock draft first round before going in the seventh round a year later.
This stuff is fun but hard. Definitely way-too-early to know McKee's stock. Personally, maybe I'm being too glib about this but I feel like he is almost equally likely to go anywhere between #1 overall and #140. If he's not supposed to go top 90 or so maybe he comes back.
The range of outcomes for McKee in particular is immense. My only point in all this, in response to posts that didn't include him at all as a draft prospect, is that he's clearly on NFL teams' radars, now it's up to him and to good fortune (injury and otherwise). One never knows; Costello was properly projected as a likely draft choice (possibly day one or two) until he was injured, transferred and ultimately was benched. Meanwhile, nobody projected Solomon Thomas as third overall pick until it happened.
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