10-02-2022, 01:08 PM
Colorado has fired Dorrell and their DC. Mike Sanford was named as the interim HC.
Another PAC 12 coaching change
10-02-2022, 05:22 PM
And in other news, HC Paul Chryst is out at Wisconsin. He was in his 8th season. Only making a little over $4 million.
Pax et Bonum
And in other news, HC Paul Chryst is out at Wisconsin. He was in his 8th season. Only making a little over $4 million.
Pax et Bonum
10-02-2022, 05:38 PM
Man, talk about “what have you done for me lately”. I mean, it was only *checks notes* last year that he had a 9-win season. Unless there is a scandal I don’t know about, this is baffling.
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Man, talk about “what have you done for me lately”. I mean, it was only *checks notes* last year that he had a 9-win season. Unless there is a scandal I don’t know about, this is baffling.
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10-02-2022, 05:57 PM
Most schools want results BC. Stanford wants nice representatives to spread the 40 Year Decision bible.
10-02-2022, 06:07 PM
With big paychecks comes thin ice and enormous buyouts. Auburn, you are on the clock…..
10-02-2022, 06:39 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-02-2022, 06:42 PM by BostonCard.)
(10-02-2022, 05:57 PM)Phogge Wrote: Most schools want results BC. Stanford wants nice representatives to spread the 40 Year Decision bible.
She, but Wisconsin under Chryst has been punching above its weight for 8 years. Maybe this is like firing Shaw after three games in 2019 so as to prevent the next three years and Wisconsin knows best, but as best I can tell, he’s still a darned good coach and would be close to the top of my list as a Shaw replacement, if it came to it.
That being said, I may be missing something.
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Add: $16.4 million buyout. It was just in January that the AD rolled over Chryst’s contract.
(This post was last modified: 10-02-2022, 06:42 PM by BostonCard.)
(10-02-2022, 05:57 PM)Phogge Wrote: Most schools want results BC. Stanford wants nice representatives to spread the 40 Year Decision bible.
She, but Wisconsin under Chryst has been punching above its weight for 8 years. Maybe this is like firing Shaw after three games in 2019 so as to prevent the next three years and Wisconsin knows best, but as best I can tell, he’s still a darned good coach and would be close to the top of my list as a Shaw replacement, if it came to it.
That being said, I may be missing something.
BC
Add: $16.4 million buyout. It was just in January that the AD rolled over Chryst’s contract.
10-02-2022, 06:53 PM
(10-02-2022, 06:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote:IMHO there has to be a back story somewhere, like the AD and Chryst just can't co-exist (or worse).(10-02-2022, 05:57 PM)Phogge Wrote: Most schools want results BC. Stanford wants nice representatives to spread the 40 Year Decision bible.
She, but Wisconsin under Chryst has been punching above its weight for 8 years. Maybe this is like firing Shaw after three games in 2019 so as to prevent the next three years and Wisconsin knows best, but as best I can tell, he’s still a darned good coach and would be close to the top of my list as a Shaw replacement, if it came to it.
That being said, I may be missing something.
BC
Add: $16.4 million buyout. It was just in January that the AD rolled over Chryst’s contract.
(10-02-2022, 06:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote:IMHO there has to be a back story somewhere, like the AD and Chryst just can't co-exist (or worse).(10-02-2022, 05:57 PM)Phogge Wrote: Most schools want results BC. Stanford wants nice representatives to spread the 40 Year Decision bible.
She, but Wisconsin under Chryst has been punching above its weight for 8 years. Maybe this is like firing Shaw after three games in 2019 so as to prevent the next three years and Wisconsin knows best, but as best I can tell, he’s still a darned good coach and would be close to the top of my list as a Shaw replacement, if it came to it.
That being said, I may be missing something.
BC
Add: $16.4 million buyout. It was just in January that the AD rolled over Chryst’s contract.
10-02-2022, 07:02 PM
I don't understand why you guys think there's more backstory here. Wisconsin has made clear that institutionally they're gunning for the top and being an excellent second tier Big 10 team is not good enough. They fired Bret Bielema a decade ago. His crime was getting them to the level of program that went to the Rose Bowl three straight years. Maybe the Badgers are delusional, but they want to be on top, not just great.
In terms of contextual specifics that may have been contributing factors (I do think ambition is the main explanation), I imagine a) having a QB guru head coach get four years with one of the highest-profile QB recruits ever to go to Wisconsin and never being able to make him good and b) having one of the most legendary Badgers ever being a studly defensive coordinator constantly fending off inquiries about his interest in other positions were two factors that played in. Being able to audition Leonhard the rest of the season is a more attractive interim situation than teams typically get.
Yes, Chryst should be attractive to schools like us. Witness Bielema doing nice things at Illinois now!
In terms of contextual specifics that may have been contributing factors (I do think ambition is the main explanation), I imagine a) having a QB guru head coach get four years with one of the highest-profile QB recruits ever to go to Wisconsin and never being able to make him good and b) having one of the most legendary Badgers ever being a studly defensive coordinator constantly fending off inquiries about his interest in other positions were two factors that played in. Being able to audition Leonhard the rest of the season is a more attractive interim situation than teams typically get.
Yes, Chryst should be attractive to schools like us. Witness Bielema doing nice things at Illinois now!
I don't understand why you guys think there's more backstory here. Wisconsin has made clear that institutionally they're gunning for the top and being an excellent second tier Big 10 team is not good enough. They fired Bret Bielema a decade ago. His crime was getting them to the level of program that went to the Rose Bowl three straight years. Maybe the Badgers are delusional, but they want to be on top, not just great.
In terms of contextual specifics that may have been contributing factors (I do think ambition is the main explanation), I imagine a) having a QB guru head coach get four years with one of the highest-profile QB recruits ever to go to Wisconsin and never being able to make him good and b) having one of the most legendary Badgers ever being a studly defensive coordinator constantly fending off inquiries about his interest in other positions were two factors that played in. Being able to audition Leonhard the rest of the season is a more attractive interim situation than teams typically get.
Yes, Chryst should be attractive to schools like us. Witness Bielema doing nice things at Illinois now!
In terms of contextual specifics that may have been contributing factors (I do think ambition is the main explanation), I imagine a) having a QB guru head coach get four years with one of the highest-profile QB recruits ever to go to Wisconsin and never being able to make him good and b) having one of the most legendary Badgers ever being a studly defensive coordinator constantly fending off inquiries about his interest in other positions were two factors that played in. Being able to audition Leonhard the rest of the season is a more attractive interim situation than teams typically get.
Yes, Chryst should be attractive to schools like us. Witness Bielema doing nice things at Illinois now!
(10-02-2022, 06:53 PM)Goose Wrote:(10-02-2022, 06:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote:IMHO there has to be a back story somewhere, like the AD and Chryst just can't co-exist (or worse).(10-02-2022, 05:57 PM)Phogge Wrote: Most schools want results BC. Stanford wants nice representatives to spread the 40 Year Decision bible.
She, but Wisconsin under Chryst has been punching above its weight for 8 years. Maybe this is like firing Shaw after three games in 2019 so as to prevent the next three years and Wisconsin knows best, but as best I can tell, he’s still a darned good coach and would be close to the top of my list as a Shaw replacement, if it came to it.
That being said, I may be missing something.
BC
Add: $16.4 million buyout. It was just in January that the AD rolled over Chryst’s contract.
well the AD had worked with him for several years...
Quote:Chris McIntosh began his tenure as Director of Athletics at Wisconsin on July 1, 2021.
...
McIntosh previously served as Wisconsin's deputy athletic director since 2017 under former Wisconsin director of athletics Barry Alvarez. In his role as deputy athletic director, McIntosh was charged with overseeing the day-to-day operations of the department while also serving as the sport administrator for football.
https://uwbadgers.com/staff-directory/ch...intosh/623
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(10-02-2022, 06:53 PM)Goose Wrote:(10-02-2022, 06:39 PM)BostonCard Wrote:IMHO there has to be a back story somewhere, like the AD and Chryst just can't co-exist (or worse).(10-02-2022, 05:57 PM)Phogge Wrote: Most schools want results BC. Stanford wants nice representatives to spread the 40 Year Decision bible.
She, but Wisconsin under Chryst has been punching above its weight for 8 years. Maybe this is like firing Shaw after three games in 2019 so as to prevent the next three years and Wisconsin knows best, but as best I can tell, he’s still a darned good coach and would be close to the top of my list as a Shaw replacement, if it came to it.
That being said, I may be missing something.
BC
Add: $16.4 million buyout. It was just in January that the AD rolled over Chryst’s contract.
well the AD had worked with him for several years...
Quote:Chris McIntosh began his tenure as Director of Athletics at Wisconsin on July 1, 2021.
...
McIntosh previously served as Wisconsin's deputy athletic director since 2017 under former Wisconsin director of athletics Barry Alvarez. In his role as deputy athletic director, McIntosh was charged with overseeing the day-to-day operations of the department while also serving as the sport administrator for football.
https://uwbadgers.com/staff-directory/ch...intosh/623
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
10-02-2022, 07:44 PM
I don’t recall Bielema being fired:
https://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sport...75441.html
Maybe he was encouraged to leave, but this makes it sound like his departure was more like Kelly’s leaving ND or Riley leaving Oklahoma.
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https://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sport...75441.html
Maybe he was encouraged to leave, but this makes it sound like his departure was more like Kelly’s leaving ND or Riley leaving Oklahoma.
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I don’t recall Bielema being fired:
https://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sport...75441.html
Maybe he was encouraged to leave, but this makes it sound like his departure was more like Kelly’s leaving ND or Riley leaving Oklahoma.
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https://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sport...75441.html
Maybe he was encouraged to leave, but this makes it sound like his departure was more like Kelly’s leaving ND or Riley leaving Oklahoma.
BC
10-02-2022, 07:47 PM
(10-02-2022, 07:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I don’t recall Bielema being fired:
https://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sport...75441.html
Maybe he was encouraged to leave, but this makes it sound like his departure was more like Kelly’s leaving ND or Riley leaving Oklahoma.
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he was fired at Arkansas
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor...wing-loss/
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(10-02-2022, 07:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I don’t recall Bielema being fired:
https://archive.jsonline.com/blogs/sport...75441.html
Maybe he was encouraged to leave, but this makes it sound like his departure was more like Kelly’s leaving ND or Riley leaving Oklahoma.
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he was fired at Arkansas
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor...wing-loss/
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
10-02-2022, 07:48 PM
Right, but I was responding to Matt suggesting he was fired from Wisconsin, which I don’t think was the case.
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Right, but I was responding to Matt suggesting he was fired from Wisconsin, which I don’t think was the case.
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10-02-2022, 07:51 PM
[twitter]https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1576717885132578818[/twitter]
I guess a very large media rights contract gives a school a lot of spending flexibility.
I guess a very large media rights contract gives a school a lot of spending flexibility.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
[twitter]https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1576717885132578818[/twitter]
I guess a very large media rights contract gives a school a lot of spending flexibility.
I guess a very large media rights contract gives a school a lot of spending flexibility.
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
10-02-2022, 08:04 PM
McIntosh says the buyout will be negotiated to significantly less than $16 million.
Also, the Wisconsin system and the Madison campus have a new president and chancellor, respectively,
this year.
Both are attorneys. One was a law firm CEO and the other was Dean of the Law School at UCLA.
These new executives are not going to have as much loyalty to the existing regime.
Also, the Wisconsin system and the Madison campus have a new president and chancellor, respectively,
this year.
Both are attorneys. One was a law firm CEO and the other was Dean of the Law School at UCLA.
These new executives are not going to have as much loyalty to the existing regime.
McIntosh says the buyout will be negotiated to significantly less than $16 million.
Also, the Wisconsin system and the Madison campus have a new president and chancellor, respectively,
this year.
Both are attorneys. One was a law firm CEO and the other was Dean of the Law School at UCLA.
These new executives are not going to have as much loyalty to the existing regime.
Also, the Wisconsin system and the Madison campus have a new president and chancellor, respectively,
this year.
Both are attorneys. One was a law firm CEO and the other was Dean of the Law School at UCLA.
These new executives are not going to have as much loyalty to the existing regime.
10-02-2022, 09:23 PM
Muir should be having indirect conversations with cryst next week. But I’m sure he won’t.
Muir should be having indirect conversations with cryst next week. But I’m sure he won’t.
10-02-2022, 09:34 PM
(10-02-2022, 08:04 PM)chrisk Wrote: McIntosh says the buyout will be negotiated to significantly less than $16 million.
Also, the Wisconsin system and the Madison campus have a new president and chancellor, respectively,
this year.
Both are attorneys. One was a law firm CEO and the other was Dean of the Law School at UCLA.
These new executives are not going to have as much loyalty to the existing regime.
Why would Chryst agree to less than what's on his buyout? He's already been fired. What benefit would he get from agreeing to renegotiate the buyout?
(10-02-2022, 08:04 PM)chrisk Wrote: McIntosh says the buyout will be negotiated to significantly less than $16 million.
Also, the Wisconsin system and the Madison campus have a new president and chancellor, respectively,
this year.
Both are attorneys. One was a law firm CEO and the other was Dean of the Law School at UCLA.
These new executives are not going to have as much loyalty to the existing regime.
Why would Chryst agree to less than what's on his buyout? He's already been fired. What benefit would he get from agreeing to renegotiate the buyout?
10-02-2022, 09:47 PM
What we know - the AD said Chryst accepted less than the amount to which he was entitled under the terms of his contract.
What we don’t know - perhaps in exchange for accepting less, Chryst received a waiver of any language pertaining to an offset if he secures employment elsewhere in college football.
The devil is in the detail and neither party shared all the particulars of their discussion.
What we don’t know - perhaps in exchange for accepting less, Chryst received a waiver of any language pertaining to an offset if he secures employment elsewhere in college football.
The devil is in the detail and neither party shared all the particulars of their discussion.
What we know - the AD said Chryst accepted less than the amount to which he was entitled under the terms of his contract.
What we don’t know - perhaps in exchange for accepting less, Chryst received a waiver of any language pertaining to an offset if he secures employment elsewhere in college football.
The devil is in the detail and neither party shared all the particulars of their discussion.
What we don’t know - perhaps in exchange for accepting less, Chryst received a waiver of any language pertaining to an offset if he secures employment elsewhere in college football.
The devil is in the detail and neither party shared all the particulars of their discussion.
10-03-2022, 02:07 AM
(10-02-2022, 08:05 PM)msqueri Wrote: Yikes, scary memory fail on Bielema. Thanks.
Yes, Bielema departed for Arkansas after the 2012 season. Wisconsin was famous for underpaying their football coach, so the lure of big bucks (a shade under US$ 3M annually) with the Razorbacks was too much to resist. Wisconsin's AD (and former football coach at the time), Barry Alvarez, almost made it a point of pride to pay his football coach a sub-market salary. Bielema was succeeded by Gary Anderson, who lasted two seasons before departing for Oregon State.
In 2012, Wisconsin finished 3rd in the "Leaders" Division of the Big 10 behind 1st place Ohio State and 2nd place Penn State; but since those two schools were on probation, Wisconsin got the nod to play in the Big 10 title game against Nebraska (1st place in the "Legends" Division), whom they destroyed 70-31 to earn the right to play in the Rose Bowl against the #8 Stanford Cardinal. Three days after the Big Ten Championship game, Bielema announced his move to Arkansas.
Barry Alvarez decided to pick up the clipboard again and coach his Badgers in their Rose Bowl loss to Stanford (their 3rd in a row after losses to Oregon and TCU in the previous two years).
Bielema's departure from Wisconsin was acrimonious, and Badger fans treated him as a turncoat. The Bielemas, most famously Bret's new wife Jen, did their part in stirring the pot. There was the famous #karma tweet by Jen Bielema following Wisconsin's controversial loss to Arizona State in 2013. https://www.thesportsbank.net/college-fb...rma-tweet/
Last Saturday, Wisconsin fans got the short end of this feud when Bielema's Illini marched into Madison and squashed the Badgers 34-10. That may have been simply too much for the current AD (Chris McIntosh), who was hired in July of 2021 when Alvarez finally retired at the age of 74. McIntosh has been with the Badger athletic department since 2014 and was involved in the hiring of Chryst, so the relationship goes back a long way.
(10-02-2022, 08:05 PM)msqueri Wrote: Yikes, scary memory fail on Bielema. Thanks.
Yes, Bielema departed for Arkansas after the 2012 season. Wisconsin was famous for underpaying their football coach, so the lure of big bucks (a shade under US$ 3M annually) with the Razorbacks was too much to resist. Wisconsin's AD (and former football coach at the time), Barry Alvarez, almost made it a point of pride to pay his football coach a sub-market salary. Bielema was succeeded by Gary Anderson, who lasted two seasons before departing for Oregon State.
In 2012, Wisconsin finished 3rd in the "Leaders" Division of the Big 10 behind 1st place Ohio State and 2nd place Penn State; but since those two schools were on probation, Wisconsin got the nod to play in the Big 10 title game against Nebraska (1st place in the "Legends" Division), whom they destroyed 70-31 to earn the right to play in the Rose Bowl against the #8 Stanford Cardinal. Three days after the Big Ten Championship game, Bielema announced his move to Arkansas.
Barry Alvarez decided to pick up the clipboard again and coach his Badgers in their Rose Bowl loss to Stanford (their 3rd in a row after losses to Oregon and TCU in the previous two years).
Bielema's departure from Wisconsin was acrimonious, and Badger fans treated him as a turncoat. The Bielemas, most famously Bret's new wife Jen, did their part in stirring the pot. There was the famous #karma tweet by Jen Bielema following Wisconsin's controversial loss to Arizona State in 2013. https://www.thesportsbank.net/college-fb...rma-tweet/
Last Saturday, Wisconsin fans got the short end of this feud when Bielema's Illini marched into Madison and squashed the Badgers 34-10. That may have been simply too much for the current AD (Chris McIntosh), who was hired in July of 2021 when Alvarez finally retired at the age of 74. McIntosh has been with the Badger athletic department since 2014 and was involved in the hiring of Chryst, so the relationship goes back a long way.
10-04-2022, 08:59 PM
(10-02-2022, 01:08 PM)Giants Wrote: Colorado has fired Dorrell and their DC. Mike Sanford was named as the interim HC.
What happened to their S&C coach? I’d imagine Sanford, who must know him well, must have kept him, no? But it does prove that Turley is not a panacea.
Speaking of Shannon Turley… didn’t know he had a side gig in tumor immunology…
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05272-1
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(10-02-2022, 01:08 PM)Giants Wrote: Colorado has fired Dorrell and their DC. Mike Sanford was named as the interim HC.
What happened to their S&C coach? I’d imagine Sanford, who must know him well, must have kept him, no? But it does prove that Turley is not a panacea.
Speaking of Shannon Turley… didn’t know he had a side gig in tumor immunology…
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05272-1
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