01-11-2023, 08:41 AM
Women's college basketball 2023 midseason Final Four predictions, player of the year picks (espn.com)
They make a strong case for Clark as POY
They make a strong case for Clark as POY
Quote:Creme: South Carolina and Stanford won't lose again until meeting for the national championship.
Quote:Creme: South Carolina and Stanford won't lose again until meeting for the national championship.
(01-11-2023, 10:15 AM)81alum Wrote: Yes, I can only hope they are correct--but we have a whole bunch of very challenging games. Their optimism about us is related to their complete lack of attention to the rest of the Pac 12. There wasn't a single other Pac 12 team mentioned in any of their analysis. So they must think everyone else in the Pac 12 is a cupcake. Trouble is--they aren't. And UCLA is the best of the rest. I'll be much more confident if we sweep the LA schools this weekend.
(01-11-2023, 10:15 AM)81alum Wrote: Yes, I can only hope they are correct--but we have a whole bunch of very challenging games. Their optimism about us is related to their complete lack of attention to the rest of the Pac 12. There wasn't a single other Pac 12 team mentioned in any of their analysis. So they must think everyone else in the Pac 12 is a cupcake. Trouble is--they aren't. And UCLA is the best of the rest. I'll be much more confident if we sweep the LA schools this weekend.
(01-11-2023, 09:17 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Wow, two out of three pick Stanford to win the title over South Carolina. All three pick Brink as an all-American; 2/3 pick Jones as well. Most fanciful prediction in my mind:
Quote:Creme: South Carolina and Stanford won't lose again until meeting for the national championship.
I just don't see us not having a slip between now and then, especially given our schedule.
BC
(01-11-2023, 09:17 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Wow, two out of three pick Stanford to win the title over South Carolina. All three pick Brink as an all-American; 2/3 pick Jones as well. Most fanciful prediction in my mind:
Quote:Creme: South Carolina and Stanford won't lose again until meeting for the national championship.
I just don't see us not having a slip between now and then, especially given our schedule.
BC
(01-11-2023, 12:45 PM)stopandpop Wrote: When they're consistently dialed-in, no PAC-12 team can beat us.I hope you are right.
(01-11-2023, 12:45 PM)stopandpop Wrote: When they're consistently dialed-in, no PAC-12 team can beat us.I hope you are right.
(01-11-2023, 04:20 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is the point of this litany of opposing coaches? They build on each other's work. All of them saw what Smith did to us last game, and many of them can implement the same strategy with even better players. When one has a break-through in exposing a weakness on our team, they all benefit. This is why it is imperative that Tara and the coaches come up with a plan by Friday to overcome what I will call 1-sag-paint defense. (The most athletic perimeter defender blanketing Jump and all others sagging into the paint to stop Brink and Jones.) (By the way, this might in fact be an "official" junk defense, the box-and-1, with the 1 on Jump and the others sagging so much it might as well be a 4 man zone.)
(01-11-2023, 04:20 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is the point of this litany of opposing coaches? They build on each other's work. All of them saw what Smith did to us last game, and many of them can implement the same strategy with even better players. When one has a break-through in exposing a weakness on our team, they all benefit. This is why it is imperative that Tara and the coaches come up with a plan by Friday to overcome what I will call 1-sag-paint defense. (The most athletic perimeter defender blanketing Jump and all others sagging into the paint to stop Brink and Jones.) (By the way, this might in fact be an "official" junk defense, the box-and-1, with the 1 on Jump and the others sagging so much it might as well be a 4 man zone.)
(01-11-2023, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-11-2023, 04:20 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is the point of this litany of opposing coaches? They build on each other's work. All of them saw what Smith did to us last game, and many of them can implement the same strategy with even better players. When one has a break-through in exposing a weakness on our team, they all benefit. This is why it is imperative that Tara and the coaches come up with a plan by Friday to overcome what I will call 1-sag-paint defense. (The most athletic perimeter defender blanketing Jump and all others sagging into the paint to stop Brink and Jones.) (By the way, this might in fact be an "official" junk defense, the box-and-1, with the 1 on Jump and the others sagging so much it might as well be a 4 man zone.)
I think we are reading too much into a bad offensive game by us. I do think that Cal's strategy probably does give teams the best chance to beat us, but it does rely on shooters other than Jump having a cold night even when unguarded. That happened last week, but is not guaranteed going forward.
Our three point shooting percentage is 35% overall; 29% if you exclude Jump's 57/119. On Sunday, we shot 20%, 12.5% if you exclude Jump's 2/4 shooting. Had the other women shot at their normal shooting percentage, we would have expected them to make 2-3 more threes and the close 60-56 game winds up being a more comfortable 10-13 point win.
It is easy to say that Smith "figured out" how to defend Stanford, and she probably did give her team the best chance to beat us, but it took a fair bit of bad three point shooting on our part, and we still won the game. Play that game again, and maybe the non-Jump three point shooters go 9/16 instead of 2/16 and we blow Cal out.
BC
(01-11-2023, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-11-2023, 04:20 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is the point of this litany of opposing coaches? They build on each other's work. All of them saw what Smith did to us last game, and many of them can implement the same strategy with even better players. When one has a break-through in exposing a weakness on our team, they all benefit. This is why it is imperative that Tara and the coaches come up with a plan by Friday to overcome what I will call 1-sag-paint defense. (The most athletic perimeter defender blanketing Jump and all others sagging into the paint to stop Brink and Jones.) (By the way, this might in fact be an "official" junk defense, the box-and-1, with the 1 on Jump and the others sagging so much it might as well be a 4 man zone.)
I think we are reading too much into a bad offensive game by us. I do think that Cal's strategy probably does give teams the best chance to beat us, but it does rely on shooters other than Jump having a cold night even when unguarded. That happened last week, but is not guaranteed going forward.
Our three point shooting percentage is 35% overall; 29% if you exclude Jump's 57/119. On Sunday, we shot 20%, 12.5% if you exclude Jump's 2/4 shooting. Had the other women shot at their normal shooting percentage, we would have expected them to make 2-3 more threes and the close 60-56 game winds up being a more comfortable 10-13 point win.
It is easy to say that Smith "figured out" how to defend Stanford, and she probably did give her team the best chance to beat us, but it took a fair bit of bad three point shooting on our part, and we still won the game. Play that game again, and maybe the non-Jump three point shooters go 9/16 instead of 2/16 and we blow Cal out.
BC
(01-11-2023, 07:51 PM)jonnyss Wrote: last year we had a bunch of good 3-pt shooters, and one bad night from outside against uconn cost us the ncaa's. we can have occasional bad 3-point nights in the regular season, but a single 3-point night like we just had against cal will bounce us from the ncaa's. in our championship year, we had quite the opposite - surprisingly good 3-point games from ashten and haley that saved our bacon.
(01-11-2023, 07:51 PM)jonnyss Wrote: last year we had a bunch of good 3-pt shooters, and one bad night from outside against uconn cost us the ncaa's. we can have occasional bad 3-point nights in the regular season, but a single 3-point night like we just had against cal will bounce us from the ncaa's. in our championship year, we had quite the opposite - surprisingly good 3-point games from ashten and haley that saved our bacon.
(01-11-2023, 08:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote:Well said. Tara says that on those nights when there is a lid on the basket, we have to focus on defense and rebounding, since those are things we can actually control. You can't "will" yourself to better shooting, but you can to better defense and rebounding. And as spectacular as Cal's defense was against us, ours was good enough to win. Now, if we are taking bad shots then that is a different matter--one can learn to take better shots. But missing even when taking good shots sometimes happens, and it tends to be contagious.(01-11-2023, 07:51 PM)jonnyss Wrote: last year we had a bunch of good 3-pt shooters, and one bad night from outside against uconn cost us the ncaa's. we can have occasional bad 3-point nights in the regular season, but a single 3-point night like we just had against cal will bounce us from the ncaa's. in our championship year, we had quite the opposite - surprisingly good 3-point games from ashten and haley that saved our bacon.
Hence the adage "live by the three, die by the three", but I have yet to find a shooting statistic that is rock solid stable. I mean, we made up for a dreadful three point shooting night with an above-average free throw shooting night (though we are a decent free throw shooting team). The bottom line is that in basketball sometimes cold shooting happens. Sometimes the other team's defense has something to do with it; sometimes the shots just don't fall. The best teams pair very good scoring with very good defense so that even if they have a bad shooting night where they score 23 points below their average because they shot 15 percentage points below average (and 15 percentage points below their three point shooting average), as we did against Cal, they can still win by holding their opponent to 56 points, which is what our defense typically holds teams to. Stanford can be beat (every team can), but it will likely take a combination of us having a sub-par offensive game and our opponents scoring more than our typical opponent does.
BC
(01-11-2023, 08:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote:Well said. Tara says that on those nights when there is a lid on the basket, we have to focus on defense and rebounding, since those are things we can actually control. You can't "will" yourself to better shooting, but you can to better defense and rebounding. And as spectacular as Cal's defense was against us, ours was good enough to win. Now, if we are taking bad shots then that is a different matter--one can learn to take better shots. But missing even when taking good shots sometimes happens, and it tends to be contagious.(01-11-2023, 07:51 PM)jonnyss Wrote: last year we had a bunch of good 3-pt shooters, and one bad night from outside against uconn cost us the ncaa's. we can have occasional bad 3-point nights in the regular season, but a single 3-point night like we just had against cal will bounce us from the ncaa's. in our championship year, we had quite the opposite - surprisingly good 3-point games from ashten and haley that saved our bacon.
Hence the adage "live by the three, die by the three", but I have yet to find a shooting statistic that is rock solid stable. I mean, we made up for a dreadful three point shooting night with an above-average free throw shooting night (though we are a decent free throw shooting team). The bottom line is that in basketball sometimes cold shooting happens. Sometimes the other team's defense has something to do with it; sometimes the shots just don't fall. The best teams pair very good scoring with very good defense so that even if they have a bad shooting night where they score 23 points below their average because they shot 15 percentage points below average (and 15 percentage points below their three point shooting average), as we did against Cal, they can still win by holding their opponent to 56 points, which is what our defense typically holds teams to. Stanford can be beat (every team can), but it will likely take a combination of us having a sub-par offensive game and our opponents scoring more than our typical opponent does.
BC
(01-11-2023, 07:51 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(01-11-2023, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-11-2023, 04:20 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is the point of this litany of opposing coaches? They build on each other's work. All of them saw what Smith did to us last game, and many of them can implement the same strategy with even better players. When one has a break-through in exposing a weakness on our team, they all benefit. This is why it is imperative that Tara and the coaches come up with a plan by Friday to overcome what I will call 1-sag-paint defense. (The most athletic perimeter defender blanketing Jump and all others sagging into the paint to stop Brink and Jones.) (By the way, this might in fact be an "official" junk defense, the box-and-1, with the 1 on Jump and the others sagging so much it might as well be a 4 man zone.)
I think we are reading too much into a bad offensive game by us. I do think that Cal's strategy probably does give teams the best chance to beat us, but it does rely on shooters other than Jump having a cold night even when unguarded. That happened last week, but is not guaranteed going forward.
Our three point shooting percentage is 35% overall; 29% if you exclude Jump's 57/119. On Sunday, we shot 20%, 12.5% if you exclude Jump's 2/4 shooting. Had the other women shot at their normal shooting percentage, we would have expected them to make 2-3 more threes and the close 60-56 game winds up being a more comfortable 10-13 point win.
It is easy to say that Smith "figured out" how to defend Stanford, and she probably did give her team the best chance to beat us, but it took a fair bit of bad three point shooting on our part, and we still won the game. Play that game again, and maybe the non-Jump three point shooters go 9/16 instead of 2/16 and we blow Cal out.
BC
last year we had a bunch of good 3-pt shooters, and one bad night from outside against uconn cost us the ncaa's. we can have occasional bad 3-point nights in the regular season, but a single 3-point night like we just had against cal will bounce us from the ncaa's. in our championship year, we had quite the opposite - surprisingly good 3-point games from ashten and haley that saved our bacon.
(01-11-2023, 07:51 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(01-11-2023, 07:42 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-11-2023, 04:20 PM)81alum Wrote: So what is the point of this litany of opposing coaches? They build on each other's work. All of them saw what Smith did to us last game, and many of them can implement the same strategy with even better players. When one has a break-through in exposing a weakness on our team, they all benefit. This is why it is imperative that Tara and the coaches come up with a plan by Friday to overcome what I will call 1-sag-paint defense. (The most athletic perimeter defender blanketing Jump and all others sagging into the paint to stop Brink and Jones.) (By the way, this might in fact be an "official" junk defense, the box-and-1, with the 1 on Jump and the others sagging so much it might as well be a 4 man zone.)
I think we are reading too much into a bad offensive game by us. I do think that Cal's strategy probably does give teams the best chance to beat us, but it does rely on shooters other than Jump having a cold night even when unguarded. That happened last week, but is not guaranteed going forward.
Our three point shooting percentage is 35% overall; 29% if you exclude Jump's 57/119. On Sunday, we shot 20%, 12.5% if you exclude Jump's 2/4 shooting. Had the other women shot at their normal shooting percentage, we would have expected them to make 2-3 more threes and the close 60-56 game winds up being a more comfortable 10-13 point win.
It is easy to say that Smith "figured out" how to defend Stanford, and she probably did give her team the best chance to beat us, but it took a fair bit of bad three point shooting on our part, and we still won the game. Play that game again, and maybe the non-Jump three point shooters go 9/16 instead of 2/16 and we blow Cal out.
BC
last year we had a bunch of good 3-pt shooters, and one bad night from outside against uconn cost us the ncaa's. we can have occasional bad 3-point nights in the regular season, but a single 3-point night like we just had against cal will bounce us from the ncaa's. in our championship year, we had quite the opposite - surprisingly good 3-point games from ashten and haley that saved our bacon.