[DenverCard]

I stumbled on this news during an infrequent visit to Top Drawer Soccer:

Starting goalie Ryan Campbell will continue her career at archrival UCLA.  The move is labelled as a transfer, but she was a senior last season so I suspect she will enroll in graduate school.  Given the end of the Pac-12, it's not nearly as big a deal as it would have been in past years, but still it pains me to see she ended up at UCLA.  There's a not insignificant chance that Stanford and UCLA could meet in the NCAA tourney.

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-...r_aid52845

[DenverCard]

I stumbled on this news during an infrequent visit to Top Drawer Soccer:

Starting goalie Ryan Campbell will continue her career at archrival UCLA.  The move is labelled as a transfer, but she was a senior last season so I suspect she will enroll in graduate school.  Given the end of the Pac-12, it's not nearly as big a deal as it would have been in past years, but still it pains me to see she ended up at UCLA.  There's a not insignificant chance that Stanford and UCLA could meet in the NCAA tourney.

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-...r_aid52845

[cardfan77]

This reminds me of Alana Vawter.

[cardfan77]

This reminds me of Alana Vawter.

[Spiny_Norman]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

[Spiny_Norman]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

[Goose]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

How is it "fixable"? If one applies and doesn't get in, who does what to fix it? As I understand it, most (all?) departments control their own admissions and if you aren't chosen, that is that. Am I wrong?

[Goose]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

How is it "fixable"? If one applies and doesn't get in, who does what to fix it? As I understand it, most (all?) departments control their own admissions and if you aren't chosen, that is that. Am I wrong?

[Spiny_Norman]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

How is it "fixable"? If one applies and doesn't get in, who does what to fix it? As I understand it, most (all?) departments control their own admissions and if you aren't chosen, that is that. Am I wrong?

Yes, that is my understanding as well, that departments make their own independent admissions. Even so, does Stanford Athletics offer its grad applicants guidance/mentorship with their applications? Maybe resources are available but it's up to the student to use them. From what I can tell, there are resources available if an athlete is applying to a law, business, medical or education graduate program. I guess my comment is more a reflection of my frustration as a Stanford fan at watching talented, all star caliber athletes like Shane Griffith, Real Woods, Alana Vawter and Ryan Campbell take their considerable talents to other schools.

But it might be the case that these athletes have their Stanford degree and are looking for a different experience for a 5th year of NCAA competition and we just need to accept that state of affairs.

[Spiny_Norman]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

How is it "fixable"? If one applies and doesn't get in, who does what to fix it? As I understand it, most (all?) departments control their own admissions and if you aren't chosen, that is that. Am I wrong?

Yes, that is my understanding as well, that departments make their own independent admissions. Even so, does Stanford Athletics offer its grad applicants guidance/mentorship with their applications? Maybe resources are available but it's up to the student to use them. From what I can tell, there are resources available if an athlete is applying to a law, business, medical or education graduate program. I guess my comment is more a reflection of my frustration as a Stanford fan at watching talented, all star caliber athletes like Shane Griffith, Real Woods, Alana Vawter and Ryan Campbell take their considerable talents to other schools.

But it might be the case that these athletes have their Stanford degree and are looking for a different experience for a 5th year of NCAA competition and we just need to accept that state of affairs.

[81alum]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

How is it "fixable"? If one applies and doesn't get in, who does what to fix it? As I understand it, most (all?) departments control their own admissions and if you aren't chosen, that is that. Am I wrong?

Yes, that is my understanding as well, that departments make their own independent admissions. Even so, does Stanford Athletics offer its grad applicants guidance/mentorship with their applications? Maybe resources are available but it's up to the student to use them. From what I can tell, there are resources available if an athlete is applying to a law, business, medical or education graduate program. I guess my comment is more a reflection of my frustration as a Stanford fan at watching talented, all star caliber athletes like Shane Griffith, Real Woods, Alana Vawter and Ryan Campbell take their considerable talents to other schools.

But it might be the case that these athletes have their Stanford degree and are looking for a different experience for a 5th year of NCAA competition and we just need to accept that state of affairs.

At some other universities there are MA "programs" that cater to grad student athletes, with low admissions requirements, few demands, and (often) appalling completion rates.  Admissions is so loose that your application can be approved on a rotating basis at the last minute. 

As far as I know, the NCAA has focused heavily on improving undergraduate retention and graduation rates but I don't think they monitor grad program completion rates.  For example, most serious MA programs are two years in length.  If they are one year programs they are so intense that there would be no time available for athletics.  I would be interested to know how many NCAA grad students complete both years of their grad programs?  If their athletic scholarship pays for the first year, who pays for the second?  Far more likely is that the "student"-athletes complete a few courses in their first year and drop out when their athletic eligibility is over, and the NCAA doesn't care since they already have their undergraduate degree.

Needless to say, this is not what universities with academic integrity do.

[81alum]

If these situations are a result at least in part of the athlete's unsuccessful application to a Stanford graduate program, that seems like it should be fixable.

How is it "fixable"? If one applies and doesn't get in, who does what to fix it? As I understand it, most (all?) departments control their own admissions and if you aren't chosen, that is that. Am I wrong?

Yes, that is my understanding as well, that departments make their own independent admissions. Even so, does Stanford Athletics offer its grad applicants guidance/mentorship with their applications? Maybe resources are available but it's up to the student to use them. From what I can tell, there are resources available if an athlete is applying to a law, business, medical or education graduate program. I guess my comment is more a reflection of my frustration as a Stanford fan at watching talented, all star caliber athletes like Shane Griffith, Real Woods, Alana Vawter and Ryan Campbell take their considerable talents to other schools.

But it might be the case that these athletes have their Stanford degree and are looking for a different experience for a 5th year of NCAA competition and we just need to accept that state of affairs.

At some other universities there are MA "programs" that cater to grad student athletes, with low admissions requirements, few demands, and (often) appalling completion rates.  Admissions is so loose that your application can be approved on a rotating basis at the last minute. 

As far as I know, the NCAA has focused heavily on improving undergraduate retention and graduation rates but I don't think they monitor grad program completion rates.  For example, most serious MA programs are two years in length.  If they are one year programs they are so intense that there would be no time available for athletics.  I would be interested to know how many NCAA grad students complete both years of their grad programs?  If their athletic scholarship pays for the first year, who pays for the second?  Far more likely is that the "student"-athletes complete a few courses in their first year and drop out when their athletic eligibility is over, and the NCAA doesn't care since they already have their undergraduate degree.

Needless to say, this is not what universities with academic integrity do.

[82lsju]

At some other universities there are MA "programs" that cater to grad student athletes, with low admissions requirements, few demands, and (often) appalling completion rates.  Admissions is so loose that you can your application can be approved on a rotating basis at the last minute. 

As far as I know, the NCAA has focused heavily on improving undergraduate retention and graduation rates but I don't think they monitor grad program completion rates.  For example, most serious MA programs are two years in length.  If they are one year programs they are so intense that there would be no time available for athletics.  I would be interested to know how many NCAA grad students complete both years of their grad programs?  If their athletic scholarship pays for the first year, who pays for the second?  Far more likely is that the "student"-athletes complete a few courses in their first year and drop out when their athletic eligibility is over, and the NCAA doesn't care since they already have their undergraduate degree.

Needless to say, this is not what universities with academic integrity do.

several years ago the NCAA did publish grad transfer graduation rates for football, MBB, and WBB.  They were all pretty low, my recollections was in the 30 percent range.  I have looked for but not been able to find similar data for several years.

[82lsju]

At some other universities there are MA "programs" that cater to grad student athletes, with low admissions requirements, few demands, and (often) appalling completion rates.  Admissions is so loose that you can your application can be approved on a rotating basis at the last minute. 

As far as I know, the NCAA has focused heavily on improving undergraduate retention and graduation rates but I don't think they monitor grad program completion rates.  For example, most serious MA programs are two years in length.  If they are one year programs they are so intense that there would be no time available for athletics.  I would be interested to know how many NCAA grad students complete both years of their grad programs?  If their athletic scholarship pays for the first year, who pays for the second?  Far more likely is that the "student"-athletes complete a few courses in their first year and drop out when their athletic eligibility is over, and the NCAA doesn't care since they already have their undergraduate degree.

Needless to say, this is not what universities with academic integrity do.

several years ago the NCAA did publish grad transfer graduation rates for football, MBB, and WBB.  They were all pretty low, my recollections was in the 30 percent range.  I have looked for but not been able to find similar data for several years.