Has anyone got the score that would be without the anyone-but-Stanford scoring penalty for being so good?
Directors' Cup Directors' Cup 2024-2025
What do you mean by anyone-but-Stanford scoring penalty?
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(This post was last modified: 06-27-2025, 05:59 PM by Papa John.)
What do you mean by anyone-but-Stanford scoring penalty?
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
06-27-2025, 10:21 PM
(06-27-2025, 05:59 PM)Papa John Wrote: What do you mean by anyone-but-Stanford scoring penalty?
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
Four out of the last five anyway. Stanford won in 2022-2023.
(06-27-2025, 05:59 PM)Papa John Wrote: What do you mean by anyone-but-Stanford scoring penalty?
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
Four out of the last five anyway. Stanford won in 2022-2023.
06-27-2025, 10:30 PM
So, which sport do you guys think will make the biggest improved contribution to our Directors' Cup score for next year? Dare we hope to return to the basketball tournament(s)?
06-27-2025, 11:23 PM
(06-27-2025, 05:59 PM)Papa John Wrote: What do you mean by anyone-but-Stanford scoring penalty?
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
Minor point of clarification; for this season there were four mandatory sports (men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, and women’s volleyball). Women’s soccer is added next year.
You are correct that no scoring system is going to be perfect, and the current one, while it disadvantages Stanford compared to the old one, is no more or less “fair” than the old one. That being said, I don’t like the animal-farmification of the Cup. It used to be that all NCAA sports were considered equal, and winning the national title in men’s volleyball gave just as many points as winning it in men’s basketball. Now, all sports are equal, but some (the mandatory counters) are a bit more equal than others. Not a Stanford issue, since we compete in all four (soon to be five), though we don’t score in all of them, but imagine that you are one of the schools that doesn’t field a baseball (like Colorado); sucks to be you. Moreover, why are some sports privileged over others? You might think it’s based on the number of D1 schools that offers the sport, but you’d be wrong: more schools offer men’s cross country (315) than baseball (293) and more schools offer women’s cross country (347) and women’s track (339) than soccer (335) or volleyball (332). Hell, more schools offer women’s tennis (300) than baseball (293). Moreover there is already a trophy that tiers its sports (the Capital One Cup).
I understand that some people think its unfair that Stanford cleans up in niche sports like men’s gymnastics (12 schools) men’s water polo (25), men’s volleyball (25) and women’s water polo (34), but if the goal of the cup is to encourage schools to have a broad athletics profile, then one way to encourage more schools to offer sports like skiing (10 schools) and rifle (17 and 22 schools for men’s and women’s, respectively) is to say that they count just as much as men’s basketball.
BC
(06-27-2025, 05:59 PM)Papa John Wrote: What do you mean by anyone-but-Stanford scoring penalty?
There were five mandatory sports: Baseball and Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball and Women's Soccer. If we make the NCAA tournament in any of the first three, we win. There was a time in the not-at-all-distant past when Stanford would have scored in Baseball and Women's Basketball.
No scoring system is perfect, and I know that the DC tinkers with it every now and again--e.g. they added Women's Soccer to the mandatory list this year, hardly a bias against Stanford.
Having said all that, I would be happy to hear what specifically folks find unfair. For my part, I congratulate Texas on their fourth consecutive win.
Minor point of clarification; for this season there were four mandatory sports (men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, and women’s volleyball). Women’s soccer is added next year.
You are correct that no scoring system is going to be perfect, and the current one, while it disadvantages Stanford compared to the old one, is no more or less “fair” than the old one. That being said, I don’t like the animal-farmification of the Cup. It used to be that all NCAA sports were considered equal, and winning the national title in men’s volleyball gave just as many points as winning it in men’s basketball. Now, all sports are equal, but some (the mandatory counters) are a bit more equal than others. Not a Stanford issue, since we compete in all four (soon to be five), though we don’t score in all of them, but imagine that you are one of the schools that doesn’t field a baseball (like Colorado); sucks to be you. Moreover, why are some sports privileged over others? You might think it’s based on the number of D1 schools that offers the sport, but you’d be wrong: more schools offer men’s cross country (315) than baseball (293) and more schools offer women’s cross country (347) and women’s track (339) than soccer (335) or volleyball (332). Hell, more schools offer women’s tennis (300) than baseball (293). Moreover there is already a trophy that tiers its sports (the Capital One Cup).
I understand that some people think its unfair that Stanford cleans up in niche sports like men’s gymnastics (12 schools) men’s water polo (25), men’s volleyball (25) and women’s water polo (34), but if the goal of the cup is to encourage schools to have a broad athletics profile, then one way to encourage more schools to offer sports like skiing (10 schools) and rifle (17 and 22 schools for men’s and women’s, respectively) is to say that they count just as much as men’s basketball.
BC
06-28-2025, 01:36 AM
This year, Stanford had 1532 points to June 10 (6 sports scoring in the fall, 7 sports in the winter, 9 sports to June 10), more than 300 points ahead of 2nd place.
There were 3 championships left. If 2nd place had won all 3, they would still not have caught Stanford, if all sports are scored.
Stanford did score more points in T&F.
Stanford wound up with 1251 points in the final scoring.
Prior to 2018, the number of scoring championships were 10 men's and 10 women's. The eligible championships shifted some during those years.
In 2018, the number of scoring championships was reduced to 4 specific championships and 15 other championships.
In 2026, the number of scoring championships is set to 5 specific championships and 14 other championships.
It is shifting towards the Capitol One Cup (5 men's and 5 women's championships get three times as many points as the other NCAA championships)
There were 3 championships left. If 2nd place had won all 3, they would still not have caught Stanford, if all sports are scored.
Stanford did score more points in T&F.
Stanford wound up with 1251 points in the final scoring.
Prior to 2018, the number of scoring championships were 10 men's and 10 women's. The eligible championships shifted some during those years.
In 2018, the number of scoring championships was reduced to 4 specific championships and 15 other championships.
In 2026, the number of scoring championships is set to 5 specific championships and 14 other championships.
It is shifting towards the Capitol One Cup (5 men's and 5 women's championships get three times as many points as the other NCAA championships)
This year, Stanford had 1532 points to June 10 (6 sports scoring in the fall, 7 sports in the winter, 9 sports to June 10), more than 300 points ahead of 2nd place.
There were 3 championships left. If 2nd place had won all 3, they would still not have caught Stanford, if all sports are scored.
Stanford did score more points in T&F.
Stanford wound up with 1251 points in the final scoring.
Prior to 2018, the number of scoring championships were 10 men's and 10 women's. The eligible championships shifted some during those years.
In 2018, the number of scoring championships was reduced to 4 specific championships and 15 other championships.
In 2026, the number of scoring championships is set to 5 specific championships and 14 other championships.
It is shifting towards the Capitol One Cup (5 men's and 5 women's championships get three times as many points as the other NCAA championships)
There were 3 championships left. If 2nd place had won all 3, they would still not have caught Stanford, if all sports are scored.
Stanford did score more points in T&F.
Stanford wound up with 1251 points in the final scoring.
Prior to 2018, the number of scoring championships were 10 men's and 10 women's. The eligible championships shifted some during those years.
In 2018, the number of scoring championships was reduced to 4 specific championships and 15 other championships.
In 2026, the number of scoring championships is set to 5 specific championships and 14 other championships.
It is shifting towards the Capitol One Cup (5 men's and 5 women's championships get three times as many points as the other NCAA championships)
06-28-2025, 12:07 PM
In the Capital One Cup this year, the Stanford women finished 2nd to North Carolina. Stanford men finished 23rd.
https://ecm.capitalone.com/WCM/capital-o...s-6_23.pdf
https://ecm.capitalone.com/WCM/capital-o...s-6_23.pdf
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
In the Capital One Cup this year, the Stanford women finished 2nd to North Carolina. Stanford men finished 23rd.
https://ecm.capitalone.com/WCM/capital-o...s-6_23.pdf
https://ecm.capitalone.com/WCM/capital-o...s-6_23.pdf
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
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