[socalstanfan1]

yes, the the University of South Central message boards have been talking about how they are basically asking players who won't ever play to just leave to free up spots for freshman who will be there 4-5 years. Kiffin is planning ahead so they can survive their depth issues over the next few seasons.

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That probably explains a lot of these defections, but I'm not sure about all of them.  It looked to me like Carlisle, for one, could have found some playing time next year had he stuck around, based on his performance in spot duty this year.  Also, I recall hearing on the radio down here in LA that there was conflict with the Armstead family about how the USC coaches had handled some injuries, and that may have led both to Armand's transfer, and may have cost them a chance with Arik Armstead, a top lineman in this year's class.

[socalstanfan1]

yes, the the University of South Central message boards have been talking about how they are basically asking players who won't ever play to just leave to free up spots for freshman who will be there 4-5 years. Kiffin is planning ahead so they can survive their depth issues over the next few seasons.

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That probably explains a lot of these defections, but I'm not sure about all of them.  It looked to me like Carlisle, for one, could have found some playing time next year had he stuck around, based on his performance in spot duty this year.  Also, I recall hearing on the radio down here in LA that there was conflict with the Armstead family about how the USC coaches had handled some injuries, and that may have led both to Armand's transfer, and may have cost them a chance with Arik Armstead, a top lineman in this year's class.

[StannyBoy]

I also heard Carlisle was having problems with his roommates who are all on the team - so for him I just think he realized USC wasn't a good fit for him.

And Armstead hasn't transferred yet as far as I know. He had a heart problem and wasn't medically cleared by the team's doctor's. I think his family was just pissed because he needs to play to have a shot at the NFL. None of these guys are at USC to get their degree - they all expect to play in the NFL.

[StannyBoy]

I also heard Carlisle was having problems with his roommates who are all on the team - so for him I just think he realized USC wasn't a good fit for him.

And Armstead hasn't transferred yet as far as I know. He had a heart problem and wasn't medically cleared by the team's doctor's. I think his family was just pissed because he needs to play to have a shot at the NFL. None of these guys are at USC to get their degree - they all expect to play in the NFL.

[StannyBoy]

I also heard Carlisle was having problems with his roommates who are all on the team - so for him I just think he realized USC wasn't a good fit for him.

And Armstead hasn't transferred yet as far as I know. He had a heart problem and wasn't medically cleared by the team's doctor's. I think his family was just pissed because he needs to play to have a shot at the NFL. None of these guys are at USC to get their degree - they all expect to play in the NFL.

[StannyBoy]

I also heard Carlisle was having problems with his roommates who are all on the team - so for him I just think he realized USC wasn't a good fit for him.

And Armstead hasn't transferred yet as far as I know. He had a heart problem and wasn't medically cleared by the team's doctor's. I think his family was just pissed because he needs to play to have a shot at the NFL. None of these guys are at USC to get their degree - they all expect to play in the NFL.

[StannyBoy]

I also heard Carlisle was having problems with his roommates who are all on the team - so for him I just think he realized USC wasn't a good fit for him.

And Armstead hasn't transferred yet as far as I know. He had a heart problem and wasn't medically cleared by the team's doctor's. I think his family was just pissed because he needs to play to have a shot at the NFL. None of these guys are at USC to get their degree - they all expect to play in the NFL.

[StannyBoy]

I also heard Carlisle was having problems with his roommates who are all on the team - so for him I just think he realized USC wasn't a good fit for him.

And Armstead hasn't transferred yet as far as I know. He had a heart problem and wasn't medically cleared by the team's doctor's. I think his family was just pissed because he needs to play to have a shot at the NFL. None of these guys are at USC to get their degree - they all expect to play in the NFL.

[yvonne]

Here's the Kyle Prater tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/DaReal_21/status/...5318222849

[yvonne]

Here's the Kyle Prater tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/DaReal_21/status/...5318222849

[yvonne]

Here's the Kyle Prater tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/DaReal_21/status/...5318222849

[yvonne]

Here's the Kyle Prater tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/DaReal_21/status/...5318222849

[yvonne]

Here's the Kyle Prater tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/DaReal_21/status/...5318222849

[yvonne]

Here's the Kyle Prater tweet:

https://twitter.com/#!/DaReal_21/status/...5318222849

[Redrum]

Can you just tell us what it said?  Copy and paste?

[Redrum]

Can you just tell us what it said?  Copy and paste?

[Redrum]

Can you just tell us what it said?  Copy and paste?

[Redrum]

Can you just tell us what it said?  Copy and paste?

[Redrum]

Can you just tell us what it said?  Copy and paste?

[Redrum]

Can you just tell us what it said?  Copy and paste?

[socalstanfan1]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two." 

[socalstanfan1]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two." 

[socalstanfan1]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two." 

[socalstanfan1]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two." 

[socalstanfan1]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two." 

[socalstanfan1]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two." 

[Cardinal96]

I wonder if Carlisle is still glad he chose USC over Stanford.

[Cardinal96]

I wonder if Carlisle is still glad he chose USC over Stanford.

[Cardinal96]

I wonder if Carlisle is still glad he chose USC over Stanford.

[Cardinal96]

I wonder if Carlisle is still glad he chose USC over Stanford.

[Cardinal96]

I wonder if Carlisle is still glad he chose USC over Stanford.

[Cardinal96]

I wonder if Carlisle is still glad he chose USC over Stanford.

[Farm93]

The numbers game is a bit confusing.  I guess as a Stanford fan I am not savvy on manipulating the probation system.

http://bit.ly/yD8X88

The blog/article breaks it down well.  Essentially SC is limited to 15 per year for the next three years, but they also must have less than 75 overall.  As they are entering the restriction window, they have work to do to get below the 75 ceiling.  However, the best way to go in to the window is to have at least 15 in this class.  The youngest ones will be able to play through the full ban, so younger is better.

If SC wants 15 (actually 17 with another system manipulation) then space needs to be created by cutting others.  Ironically someone is going to get cut because Barkley elected to come back.  Could you even imagine?  The excitement and joy at learning that Barkley is coming back.  The dreams of a BCS bowl game swirling in that players head.  And then someone tells that kid he is now needed cut #7.

Next year, the 15 additions likely will not offset the departures, so SC will naturally fall below 75 going forward.

I would guess SC is telling the kids that the NCAA sanctions are to blame, but the real blame seems to come from wanting 15+ newbies even though there is not that kind of space.  I think what makes this sad is that many of those kids probably could have left SC last year with far fewer challenges.  Now they are getting forced out after showing the program loyalty through the bowl probation window.  Nice.  But I am sure the SC network will take care of these kids.  ::)

Hey, anything to win I guess.

[Farm93]

The numbers game is a bit confusing.  I guess as a Stanford fan I am not savvy on manipulating the probation system.

http://bit.ly/yD8X88

The blog/article breaks it down well.  Essentially SC is limited to 15 per year for the next three years, but they also must have less than 75 overall.  As they are entering the restriction window, they have work to do to get below the 75 ceiling.  However, the best way to go in to the window is to have at least 15 in this class.  The youngest ones will be able to play through the full ban, so younger is better.

If SC wants 15 (actually 17 with another system manipulation) then space needs to be created by cutting others.  Ironically someone is going to get cut because Barkley elected to come back.  Could you even imagine?  The excitement and joy at learning that Barkley is coming back.  The dreams of a BCS bowl game swirling in that players head.  And then someone tells that kid he is now needed cut #7.

Next year, the 15 additions likely will not offset the departures, so SC will naturally fall below 75 going forward.

I would guess SC is telling the kids that the NCAA sanctions are to blame, but the real blame seems to come from wanting 15+ newbies even though there is not that kind of space.  I think what makes this sad is that many of those kids probably could have left SC last year with far fewer challenges.  Now they are getting forced out after showing the program loyalty through the bowl probation window.  Nice.  But I am sure the SC network will take care of these kids.  ::)

Hey, anything to win I guess.

[Farm93]

The numbers game is a bit confusing.  I guess as a Stanford fan I am not savvy on manipulating the probation system.

http://bit.ly/yD8X88

The blog/article breaks it down well.  Essentially SC is limited to 15 per year for the next three years, but they also must have less than 75 overall.  As they are entering the restriction window, they have work to do to get below the 75 ceiling.  However, the best way to go in to the window is to have at least 15 in this class.  The youngest ones will be able to play through the full ban, so younger is better.

If SC wants 15 (actually 17 with another system manipulation) then space needs to be created by cutting others.  Ironically someone is going to get cut because Barkley elected to come back.  Could you even imagine?  The excitement and joy at learning that Barkley is coming back.  The dreams of a BCS bowl game swirling in that players head.  And then someone tells that kid he is now needed cut #7.

Next year, the 15 additions likely will not offset the departures, so SC will naturally fall below 75 going forward.

I would guess SC is telling the kids that the NCAA sanctions are to blame, but the real blame seems to come from wanting 15+ newbies even though there is not that kind of space.  I think what makes this sad is that many of those kids probably could have left SC last year with far fewer challenges.  Now they are getting forced out after showing the program loyalty through the bowl probation window.  Nice.  But I am sure the SC network will take care of these kids.  ::)

Hey, anything to win I guess.

[Farm93]

The numbers game is a bit confusing.  I guess as a Stanford fan I am not savvy on manipulating the probation system.

http://bit.ly/yD8X88

The blog/article breaks it down well.  Essentially SC is limited to 15 per year for the next three years, but they also must have less than 75 overall.  As they are entering the restriction window, they have work to do to get below the 75 ceiling.  However, the best way to go in to the window is to have at least 15 in this class.  The youngest ones will be able to play through the full ban, so younger is better.

If SC wants 15 (actually 17 with another system manipulation) then space needs to be created by cutting others.  Ironically someone is going to get cut because Barkley elected to come back.  Could you even imagine?  The excitement and joy at learning that Barkley is coming back.  The dreams of a BCS bowl game swirling in that players head.  And then someone tells that kid he is now needed cut #7.

Next year, the 15 additions likely will not offset the departures, so SC will naturally fall below 75 going forward.

I would guess SC is telling the kids that the NCAA sanctions are to blame, but the real blame seems to come from wanting 15+ newbies even though there is not that kind of space.  I think what makes this sad is that many of those kids probably could have left SC last year with far fewer challenges.  Now they are getting forced out after showing the program loyalty through the bowl probation window.  Nice.  But I am sure the SC network will take care of these kids.  ::)

Hey, anything to win I guess.

[Farm93]

The numbers game is a bit confusing.  I guess as a Stanford fan I am not savvy on manipulating the probation system.

http://bit.ly/yD8X88

The blog/article breaks it down well.  Essentially SC is limited to 15 per year for the next three years, but they also must have less than 75 overall.  As they are entering the restriction window, they have work to do to get below the 75 ceiling.  However, the best way to go in to the window is to have at least 15 in this class.  The youngest ones will be able to play through the full ban, so younger is better.

If SC wants 15 (actually 17 with another system manipulation) then space needs to be created by cutting others.  Ironically someone is going to get cut because Barkley elected to come back.  Could you even imagine?  The excitement and joy at learning that Barkley is coming back.  The dreams of a BCS bowl game swirling in that players head.  And then someone tells that kid he is now needed cut #7.

Next year, the 15 additions likely will not offset the departures, so SC will naturally fall below 75 going forward.

I would guess SC is telling the kids that the NCAA sanctions are to blame, but the real blame seems to come from wanting 15+ newbies even though there is not that kind of space.  I think what makes this sad is that many of those kids probably could have left SC last year with far fewer challenges.  Now they are getting forced out after showing the program loyalty through the bowl probation window.  Nice.  But I am sure the SC network will take care of these kids.  ::)

Hey, anything to win I guess.

[Farm93]

The numbers game is a bit confusing.  I guess as a Stanford fan I am not savvy on manipulating the probation system.

http://bit.ly/yD8X88

The blog/article breaks it down well.  Essentially SC is limited to 15 per year for the next three years, but they also must have less than 75 overall.  As they are entering the restriction window, they have work to do to get below the 75 ceiling.  However, the best way to go in to the window is to have at least 15 in this class.  The youngest ones will be able to play through the full ban, so younger is better.

If SC wants 15 (actually 17 with another system manipulation) then space needs to be created by cutting others.  Ironically someone is going to get cut because Barkley elected to come back.  Could you even imagine?  The excitement and joy at learning that Barkley is coming back.  The dreams of a BCS bowl game swirling in that players head.  And then someone tells that kid he is now needed cut #7.

Next year, the 15 additions likely will not offset the departures, so SC will naturally fall below 75 going forward.

I would guess SC is telling the kids that the NCAA sanctions are to blame, but the real blame seems to come from wanting 15+ newbies even though there is not that kind of space.  I think what makes this sad is that many of those kids probably could have left SC last year with far fewer challenges.  Now they are getting forced out after showing the program loyalty through the bowl probation window.  Nice.  But I am sure the SC network will take care of these kids.  ::)

Hey, anything to win I guess.

[DC]

[quote author=garvin link=topic=5380.msg39091#msg39091 date=1326483428]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two."
[/quote]

Even if they leave early for the NFL?

[DC]

[quote author=garvin link=topic=5380.msg39091#msg39091 date=1326483428]

I reallly appreciate the support, this wasn't easy at all but it was for the best, I will always and forever be a Trojan at heart.

Not inconsistent with being told, you can keep your scholarship, but honest, we don't see you being an integral part of the team.

Maybe even more specific: "Kyle, when we brought you in here we thought you would be "the guy."  But then Marquis Lee came along and now HE is OUR GUY (along with R. Woods, of course), and we really don't see you getting better than either of those two."
[/quote]

Even if they leave early for the NFL?