02-06-2012, 08:40 PM
Shayne Skov DUI:
02-06-2012, 09:34 PM
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02-06-2012, 09:36 PM
Betcha he will follow the Michael Floyd path (when he got popped at Notre Dame):Â suspended from all team activities except for medical rehab.
Betcha he will follow the Michael Floyd path (when he got popped at Notre Dame):Â suspended from all team activities except for medical rehab.
02-06-2012, 09:38 PM
(02-06-2012, 09:36 PM)Redrum link Wrote:Betcha he will follow the Michael Floyd path (when he got popped at the University of South Bend):Â suspended from all team activities except for medical rehab.
Big difference between Skov and Floyd was the latter had three instances of alcohol-related legal problems between 2009 and 11. To our knowledge this is Skov's first offense (if true).
(02-06-2012, 09:36 PM)Redrum link Wrote:Betcha he will follow the Michael Floyd path (when he got popped at the University of South Bend):Â suspended from all team activities except for medical rehab.
Big difference between Skov and Floyd was the latter had three instances of alcohol-related legal problems between 2009 and 11. To our knowledge this is Skov's first offense (if true).
02-06-2012, 10:23 PM
Two years ago point guard JJ Hones received a DUI for driving drunk in a golf cart on campus. Tara immediately removed her from the team.Â
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=5184667
Skov puts Shaw in a very difficult, almost untenable position. If Skov is allowed to continue with the team the comparison with Hones will be divisive. Shaw would be made to look sleazy in comparison with Tara. Issues of gender equality and unequal treatment will follow. Stanford's enemies would pounce on us for our hypocrisy for advertising ourselves as the "clean" school. The Skov example could weaken team discipline just as that wonderful entering class is coming in.
On the other hand, without knowing all the circumstances (or even his guilt) it is hard to say whether or not the cases are equivalent. JJ also had evasion and resisting arrest charges for failing to stop--though I don't know if that made a difference to Tara.
Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=5184667
Skov puts Shaw in a very difficult, almost untenable position. If Skov is allowed to continue with the team the comparison with Hones will be divisive. Shaw would be made to look sleazy in comparison with Tara. Issues of gender equality and unequal treatment will follow. Stanford's enemies would pounce on us for our hypocrisy for advertising ourselves as the "clean" school. The Skov example could weaken team discipline just as that wonderful entering class is coming in.
On the other hand, without knowing all the circumstances (or even his guilt) it is hard to say whether or not the cases are equivalent. JJ also had evasion and resisting arrest charges for failing to stop--though I don't know if that made a difference to Tara.
Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
Two years ago point guard JJ Hones received a DUI for driving drunk in a golf cart on campus. Tara immediately removed her from the team.Â
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=5184667
Skov puts Shaw in a very difficult, almost untenable position. If Skov is allowed to continue with the team the comparison with Hones will be divisive. Shaw would be made to look sleazy in comparison with Tara. Issues of gender equality and unequal treatment will follow. Stanford's enemies would pounce on us for our hypocrisy for advertising ourselves as the "clean" school. The Skov example could weaken team discipline just as that wonderful entering class is coming in.
On the other hand, without knowing all the circumstances (or even his guilt) it is hard to say whether or not the cases are equivalent. JJ also had evasion and resisting arrest charges for failing to stop--though I don't know if that made a difference to Tara.
Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=5184667
Skov puts Shaw in a very difficult, almost untenable position. If Skov is allowed to continue with the team the comparison with Hones will be divisive. Shaw would be made to look sleazy in comparison with Tara. Issues of gender equality and unequal treatment will follow. Stanford's enemies would pounce on us for our hypocrisy for advertising ourselves as the "clean" school. The Skov example could weaken team discipline just as that wonderful entering class is coming in.
On the other hand, without knowing all the circumstances (or even his guilt) it is hard to say whether or not the cases are equivalent. JJ also had evasion and resisting arrest charges for failing to stop--though I don't know if that made a difference to Tara.
Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
02-06-2012, 10:25 PM
(02-06-2012, 10:23 PM)81alum link Wrote:Two years ago point guard JJ Hones received a DUI for driving drunk in a golf cart on campus. Tara immediately removed her from the team.Â
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=5184667
Skov puts Shaw in a very difficult, almost untenable position. If Skov is allowed to continue with the team the comparison with Hones will be divisive. Shaw would be made to look sleazy in comparison with Tara. Issues of gender equality and unequal treatment will follow. Stanford's enemies would pounce on us for our hypocrisy for advertising ourselves as the "clean" school. The Skov example could weaken team discipline just as that wonderful entering class is coming in.
On the other hand, without knowing all the circumstances (or even his guilt) it is hard to say whether or not the cases are equivalent. JJ also had evasion and resisting arrest charges for failing to stop--though I don't know if that made a difference to Tara.
Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
Oh come on. Shaw suspends Skov a couple of games and everyone shrugs and moves on. I guarantee name awareness of JJ Hones is, like, .1% of the population.
(02-06-2012, 10:23 PM)81alum link Wrote:Two years ago point guard JJ Hones received a DUI for driving drunk in a golf cart on campus. Tara immediately removed her from the team.Â
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/news/story?id=5184667
Skov puts Shaw in a very difficult, almost untenable position. If Skov is allowed to continue with the team the comparison with Hones will be divisive. Shaw would be made to look sleazy in comparison with Tara. Issues of gender equality and unequal treatment will follow. Stanford's enemies would pounce on us for our hypocrisy for advertising ourselves as the "clean" school. The Skov example could weaken team discipline just as that wonderful entering class is coming in.
On the other hand, without knowing all the circumstances (or even his guilt) it is hard to say whether or not the cases are equivalent. JJ also had evasion and resisting arrest charges for failing to stop--though I don't know if that made a difference to Tara.
Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
Oh come on. Shaw suspends Skov a couple of games and everyone shrugs and moves on. I guarantee name awareness of JJ Hones is, like, .1% of the population.
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02-06-2012, 10:39 PM
To make them seem like 90%.  The other 8 % will open another beer and shrug.
To make them seem like 90%.  The other 8 % will open another beer and shrug.
02-06-2012, 11:00 PM
Hones reportedly had prior transgressions with Tara. And I do think Hones' fleeing and resisting arrest are significant. So far as I know, this is Skov's first incident. Doesn't seem like a comparable situation.
02-06-2012, 11:04 PM
The defense is taking some big hits. First, Tarver and now Shane. IMO, a DUI, without more, is not enough to dismiss a player from the team. However, there will certainly be consequences, as there should be if he pleads or is convicted. Skov was not expected to participate in Spring ball. If he pleads or is convicted, I suspect he'll be suspended until fall practice and perhaps a game or two. Disappointing lack of judgment on Skov's part, but sadly not an uncommon event among students (drinking and driving). Glad there was no accident.
The defense is taking some big hits. First, Tarver and now Shane. IMO, a DUI, without more, is not enough to dismiss a player from the team. However, there will certainly be consequences, as there should be if he pleads or is convicted. Skov was not expected to participate in Spring ball. If he pleads or is convicted, I suspect he'll be suspended until fall practice and perhaps a game or two. Disappointing lack of judgment on Skov's part, but sadly not an uncommon event among students (drinking and driving). Glad there was no accident.
02-06-2012, 11:13 PM
(02-06-2012, 10:25 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Oh come on. Shaw suspends Skov a couple of games and everyone shrugs and moves on. I guarantee name awareness of JJ Hones is, like, .1% of the population.The Daily article just assured that the Hones case is now known by a few more than .1%, and I imagine that other news outlets will soon be following up the comparison.Â
But no matter, grant that many alums and most football fans don't remember her, and the media blitz that is about to begin is weathered by all. The long-term important audience here is faculty and administration and trustees, and their whispers about the slippery slope that leads to the corruption of Stanford's ethical standards. Those groups have been pinching themselves to see if it is all a dream that our Athletics programs have done so well while keeping clean, and so there will be close scrutiny of this case.Â
Of course, if the facts of the incident emerge and seem to reduce the seriousness of the charge, everything could change. But the quote from Shaw seemed to assume his guilt, and leaves me pessimistic.Â
(02-06-2012, 10:25 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Oh come on. Shaw suspends Skov a couple of games and everyone shrugs and moves on. I guarantee name awareness of JJ Hones is, like, .1% of the population.The Daily article just assured that the Hones case is now known by a few more than .1%, and I imagine that other news outlets will soon be following up the comparison.Â
But no matter, grant that many alums and most football fans don't remember her, and the media blitz that is about to begin is weathered by all. The long-term important audience here is faculty and administration and trustees, and their whispers about the slippery slope that leads to the corruption of Stanford's ethical standards. Those groups have been pinching themselves to see if it is all a dream that our Athletics programs have done so well while keeping clean, and so there will be close scrutiny of this case.Â
Of course, if the facts of the incident emerge and seem to reduce the seriousness of the charge, everything could change. But the quote from Shaw seemed to assume his guilt, and leaves me pessimistic.Â
02-06-2012, 11:20 PM
Unless there have been other incidents that the public has not been privy to, I'm guessing that a suspension of a couple of games to start the season is on the way. Suspending Skov for Spring practice, which he was bound to miss anyway, would be an obvious sham. Holding him out of Fall training camp seems pointless. Keeping him out of a few games at the start of the season would send a message to the rest of the team that even the team's best player is not exempt from significant consequences for foolish, and lillegal behavior.
Q: is Skov 21? Do we need to add underage drinking to the charge of drunk driving?Â
Q: is Skov 21? Do we need to add underage drinking to the charge of drunk driving?Â
Unless there have been other incidents that the public has not been privy to, I'm guessing that a suspension of a couple of games to start the season is on the way. Suspending Skov for Spring practice, which he was bound to miss anyway, would be an obvious sham. Holding him out of Fall training camp seems pointless. Keeping him out of a few games at the start of the season would send a message to the rest of the team that even the team's best player is not exempt from significant consequences for foolish, and lillegal behavior.
Q: is Skov 21? Do we need to add underage drinking to the charge of drunk driving?Â
Q: is Skov 21? Do we need to add underage drinking to the charge of drunk driving?Â
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02-06-2012, 11:26 PM
(02-06-2012, 11:20 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:Q: is Skov 21? Do we need to add underage drinking to the charge of drunk driving?
Born in July 1990. So of age to drink.
(02-06-2012, 11:20 PM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:Q: is Skov 21? Do we need to add underage drinking to the charge of drunk driving?
Born in July 1990. So of age to drink.
02-06-2012, 11:32 PM
(02-06-2012, 11:13 PM)81alum link Wrote:...the media blitz that is about to begin is weathered by all...
I think you seriously overestimate the media interest in this story. One day max.
If this story got barely any play--http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/3/11/2044789/fulmer-cupdate-auburn-goes-all-in-the-front-door-with-a-gun--I think we can assume a DUI won't either, unless there's some sort of crazy factoid we haven't heard yet.
(02-06-2012, 11:13 PM)81alum link Wrote:...the media blitz that is about to begin is weathered by all...
I think you seriously overestimate the media interest in this story. One day max.
If this story got barely any play--http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/3/11/2044789/fulmer-cupdate-auburn-goes-all-in-the-front-door-with-a-gun--I think we can assume a DUI won't either, unless there's some sort of crazy factoid we haven't heard yet.
02-06-2012, 11:48 PM
When a player is injured, like Skov has been, are they still subject to the standard random NCAA drug testing regimen?Â
At first I thought this seemed like an interesting parallel to Hones since Hones had also been injured--which is why she was driving the golf cart. I wondered whether DUI incidents might be more common among injured athletes than among uninjured athletes, since uninjured athletes might fear random drug tests that injured athletes would not have to take.Â
But the NCAA site seemed to indicate that they do not test for alcohol with their standard year-round random tests, although alcohol is a banned substance and is included in their "championship" testing.
At first I thought this seemed like an interesting parallel to Hones since Hones had also been injured--which is why she was driving the golf cart. I wondered whether DUI incidents might be more common among injured athletes than among uninjured athletes, since uninjured athletes might fear random drug tests that injured athletes would not have to take.Â
But the NCAA site seemed to indicate that they do not test for alcohol with their standard year-round random tests, although alcohol is a banned substance and is included in their "championship" testing.
When a player is injured, like Skov has been, are they still subject to the standard random NCAA drug testing regimen?Â
At first I thought this seemed like an interesting parallel to Hones since Hones had also been injured--which is why she was driving the golf cart. I wondered whether DUI incidents might be more common among injured athletes than among uninjured athletes, since uninjured athletes might fear random drug tests that injured athletes would not have to take.Â
But the NCAA site seemed to indicate that they do not test for alcohol with their standard year-round random tests, although alcohol is a banned substance and is included in their "championship" testing.
At first I thought this seemed like an interesting parallel to Hones since Hones had also been injured--which is why she was driving the golf cart. I wondered whether DUI incidents might be more common among injured athletes than among uninjured athletes, since uninjured athletes might fear random drug tests that injured athletes would not have to take.Â
But the NCAA site seemed to indicate that they do not test for alcohol with their standard year-round random tests, although alcohol is a banned substance and is included in their "championship" testing.
02-07-2012, 12:02 AM
(02-06-2012, 10:23 PM)81alum link Wrote:Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
It's okay for us to hire a head football coach (not Shaw) with a past DUI but a player DUI, in and of itself, is cause for kicking said player off the team? Come on... unless there's more to this that we don't know about yet, Skov deserves a one- or two-game suspension (plus exclusion from all team activities other than rehab as Redrum pointed out ;) ).
I'm not implying that this is not damaging to the team nor that it's acceptable. I'm merely pointing out that there are other (and perhaps more) relevant comparison points besides Hones.
(02-06-2012, 10:23 PM)81alum link Wrote:Is it too late for Skov to declare for the draft? That may become the best option.
Shaw does not have much time to act. Tara acted before JJ was even arrested. If this story drags out for a few days it will make Shaw look indecisive and further besmirch the team's clean image.
This is a terrible, terrible shame.
It's okay for us to hire a head football coach (not Shaw) with a past DUI but a player DUI, in and of itself, is cause for kicking said player off the team? Come on... unless there's more to this that we don't know about yet, Skov deserves a one- or two-game suspension (plus exclusion from all team activities other than rehab as Redrum pointed out ;) ).
I'm not implying that this is not damaging to the team nor that it's acceptable. I'm merely pointing out that there are other (and perhaps more) relevant comparison points besides Hones.
02-07-2012, 12:18 AM
How would a non-athlete be disciplined by the university of this type of offense? Some type of probation?
Athletes, as faces of the University, should be held to a higher standard, IMO. In addition to the punishment handed down by the legal authorities, and the University administration, suspending him from a few games at the beginning of the season seems appropriate for a first offense (assuming that this IS a first time). Anything beyond that seems excessive.
Athletes, as faces of the University, should be held to a higher standard, IMO. In addition to the punishment handed down by the legal authorities, and the University administration, suspending him from a few games at the beginning of the season seems appropriate for a first offense (assuming that this IS a first time). Anything beyond that seems excessive.
How would a non-athlete be disciplined by the university of this type of offense? Some type of probation?
Athletes, as faces of the University, should be held to a higher standard, IMO. In addition to the punishment handed down by the legal authorities, and the University administration, suspending him from a few games at the beginning of the season seems appropriate for a first offense (assuming that this IS a first time). Anything beyond that seems excessive.
Athletes, as faces of the University, should be held to a higher standard, IMO. In addition to the punishment handed down by the legal authorities, and the University administration, suspending him from a few games at the beginning of the season seems appropriate for a first offense (assuming that this IS a first time). Anything beyond that seems excessive.
02-07-2012, 02:38 AM
Underage drinking? Uh .... We all were in dorms for at least one year, right? So none of us could possibly have broken that rule .... Yeah.
Glad to hear Shane was 21 but the big issue is drinking and driving regardless. Wasn't there a basketball player arrested for DUI in the off-season once who got the charges dropped after performing community service? How'd our coach (Montgomery?) handle that one?
Glad to hear Shane was 21 but the big issue is drinking and driving regardless. Wasn't there a basketball player arrested for DUI in the off-season once who got the charges dropped after performing community service? How'd our coach (Montgomery?) handle that one?
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
Underage drinking? Uh .... We all were in dorms for at least one year, right? So none of us could possibly have broken that rule .... Yeah.
Glad to hear Shane was 21 but the big issue is drinking and driving regardless. Wasn't there a basketball player arrested for DUI in the off-season once who got the charges dropped after performing community service? How'd our coach (Montgomery?) handle that one?
Glad to hear Shane was 21 but the big issue is drinking and driving regardless. Wasn't there a basketball player arrested for DUI in the off-season once who got the charges dropped after performing community service? How'd our coach (Montgomery?) handle that one?
In 1938 Neville Chamberlain declared "Peace in our time", Superman first appeared in Action Comics, Seabiscuit beat War Admiral ....... and C.a.l last won the Rose Bowl.
This won't be a popular opinion around here, but I was hit head on by a drunk driver several years ago. I walked away with minor injuries, but it could easily have been far worse. So, as far as I'm concerned, Shaw should throw the book at Skov, up to and including dismissal from the team. DUI is a serious offense--over 10000 people die in crashes with drunk drivers each year. This sort of behavior should not just be brushed off.
(Of course, this assumes that Skov is guilty. That will have to be shown.)
(Of course, this assumes that Skov is guilty. That will have to be shown.)
This won't be a popular opinion around here, but I was hit head on by a drunk driver several years ago. I walked away with minor injuries, but it could easily have been far worse. So, as far as I'm concerned, Shaw should throw the book at Skov, up to and including dismissal from the team. DUI is a serious offense--over 10000 people die in crashes with drunk drivers each year. This sort of behavior should not just be brushed off.
(Of course, this assumes that Skov is guilty. That will have to be shown.)
(Of course, this assumes that Skov is guilty. That will have to be shown.)
02-07-2012, 06:36 AM
Two things.
1. One of the news reports says that the police officer pulled him over after he was seen weaving. Having recently served on a DUI jury, I can tell you that drivers don't normally weave if their BAC is just barely above the .08 limit. That would more typically begin in the .14 area--though every individual differs as they say.
2. Times could have changed, but as of a few years ago one of my athlete-students told me that all NCAA scholarship athletes sign contracts regarding the NCAA controlled substance policy. For her, alcohol was not permitted as a term of the scholarship, and the random blood testing they agree to can theoretically check for it (hence my earlier question.) Drinking alcohol--even if of legal age and even if not driving--would have been a violation. I remember being shocked. My student was a 22 year old European on tennis scholarship and she laughed that when she came to the U.S. she had to give up wine with dinner, which she had been drinking since 14.
I'm sure someone on this board has more current and accurate information than I do, but this might explain why Shaw's statement could immediately discuss Skov as if guilty even without knowing the details of the DUI. Drinking at all would be a violation deserving some level of discipline, although the more serious matter would of course be the criminal charges. I'm guessing that the University is waiting for more details before setting the punishment.
1. One of the news reports says that the police officer pulled him over after he was seen weaving. Having recently served on a DUI jury, I can tell you that drivers don't normally weave if their BAC is just barely above the .08 limit. That would more typically begin in the .14 area--though every individual differs as they say.
2. Times could have changed, but as of a few years ago one of my athlete-students told me that all NCAA scholarship athletes sign contracts regarding the NCAA controlled substance policy. For her, alcohol was not permitted as a term of the scholarship, and the random blood testing they agree to can theoretically check for it (hence my earlier question.) Drinking alcohol--even if of legal age and even if not driving--would have been a violation. I remember being shocked. My student was a 22 year old European on tennis scholarship and she laughed that when she came to the U.S. she had to give up wine with dinner, which she had been drinking since 14.
I'm sure someone on this board has more current and accurate information than I do, but this might explain why Shaw's statement could immediately discuss Skov as if guilty even without knowing the details of the DUI. Drinking at all would be a violation deserving some level of discipline, although the more serious matter would of course be the criminal charges. I'm guessing that the University is waiting for more details before setting the punishment.
Two things.
1. One of the news reports says that the police officer pulled him over after he was seen weaving. Having recently served on a DUI jury, I can tell you that drivers don't normally weave if their BAC is just barely above the .08 limit. That would more typically begin in the .14 area--though every individual differs as they say.
2. Times could have changed, but as of a few years ago one of my athlete-students told me that all NCAA scholarship athletes sign contracts regarding the NCAA controlled substance policy. For her, alcohol was not permitted as a term of the scholarship, and the random blood testing they agree to can theoretically check for it (hence my earlier question.) Drinking alcohol--even if of legal age and even if not driving--would have been a violation. I remember being shocked. My student was a 22 year old European on tennis scholarship and she laughed that when she came to the U.S. she had to give up wine with dinner, which she had been drinking since 14.
I'm sure someone on this board has more current and accurate information than I do, but this might explain why Shaw's statement could immediately discuss Skov as if guilty even without knowing the details of the DUI. Drinking at all would be a violation deserving some level of discipline, although the more serious matter would of course be the criminal charges. I'm guessing that the University is waiting for more details before setting the punishment.
1. One of the news reports says that the police officer pulled him over after he was seen weaving. Having recently served on a DUI jury, I can tell you that drivers don't normally weave if their BAC is just barely above the .08 limit. That would more typically begin in the .14 area--though every individual differs as they say.
2. Times could have changed, but as of a few years ago one of my athlete-students told me that all NCAA scholarship athletes sign contracts regarding the NCAA controlled substance policy. For her, alcohol was not permitted as a term of the scholarship, and the random blood testing they agree to can theoretically check for it (hence my earlier question.) Drinking alcohol--even if of legal age and even if not driving--would have been a violation. I remember being shocked. My student was a 22 year old European on tennis scholarship and she laughed that when she came to the U.S. she had to give up wine with dinner, which she had been drinking since 14.
I'm sure someone on this board has more current and accurate information than I do, but this might explain why Shaw's statement could immediately discuss Skov as if guilty even without knowing the details of the DUI. Drinking at all would be a violation deserving some level of discipline, although the more serious matter would of course be the criminal charges. I'm guessing that the University is waiting for more details before setting the punishment.
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