06-11-2012, 06:10 PM
who will pick it up?
http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html
http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html
If we win the Directors Cup,
06-12-2012, 07:51 AM
Probably, but I'm just imagining something weird happening when the top 10 teams of each gender are pared off. If we've scored in more than 20 sports, the tally could be less.
The tally will be fine. Stanford will lose a few women's sports that will get excluded, but not that many. Oddly, I think one could objectively say this was a very bad year for Stanford Athletics. The football team's wins can cover a lot of flaws, but many teams had sub-par seasons.
By my quick count, Stanford should get something around 1,435 after excluding 125 points from 3 sports. Florida will get above 1,300 if they win the CWS. They left points on the table when the #5 softball team lost as host of the Gainesville Regional.
I would guess a ~150 type spread between Stanford and Florida, as the #2 school, would make this one of the closer contests on record.
By my quick count, Stanford should get something around 1,435 after excluding 125 points from 3 sports. Florida will get above 1,300 if they win the CWS. They left points on the table when the #5 softball team lost as host of the Gainesville Regional.
I would guess a ~150 type spread between Stanford and Florida, as the #2 school, would make this one of the closer contests on record.
The tally will be fine. Stanford will lose a few women's sports that will get excluded, but not that many. Oddly, I think one could objectively say this was a very bad year for Stanford Athletics. The football team's wins can cover a lot of flaws, but many teams had sub-par seasons.
By my quick count, Stanford should get something around 1,435 after excluding 125 points from 3 sports. Florida will get above 1,300 if they win the CWS. They left points on the table when the #5 softball team lost as host of the Gainesville Regional.
I would guess a ~150 type spread between Stanford and Florida, as the #2 school, would make this one of the closer contests on record.
By my quick count, Stanford should get something around 1,435 after excluding 125 points from 3 sports. Florida will get above 1,300 if they win the CWS. They left points on the table when the #5 softball team lost as host of the Gainesville Regional.
I would guess a ~150 type spread between Stanford and Florida, as the #2 school, would make this one of the closer contests on record.
06-12-2012, 01:19 PM
The SEC's significant financial resource advantage and minimal climate disadvantage is really hurting Pac-12 programs. Softball, baseball, gymnastics, swimming and even track & field used to be dominated by Pac-10 teams. Now many of those sports are shared with or simply dominated by SEC types.
Alabama had a great year, IMHO, with football and three NCAA team titles of the women's side. Florida and LSU have some highlights too. My guess is that the next non-Stanford winner of the NACDA cup will be from the SEC.
Thankfully, with the great TV deal the Pac-12 programs will be able to plow money into better training and facilities for Olympic sports, and most of the Pac-12 AD's seem eager to keep up with the SECs spending race. Well, with the exception of UCB that has stated their new funds will only serve to help close their annual budget gap.
Alabama had a great year, IMHO, with football and three NCAA team titles of the women's side. Florida and LSU have some highlights too. My guess is that the next non-Stanford winner of the NACDA cup will be from the SEC.
Thankfully, with the great TV deal the Pac-12 programs will be able to plow money into better training and facilities for Olympic sports, and most of the Pac-12 AD's seem eager to keep up with the SECs spending race. Well, with the exception of UCB that has stated their new funds will only serve to help close their annual budget gap.
The SEC's significant financial resource advantage and minimal climate disadvantage is really hurting Pac-12 programs. Softball, baseball, gymnastics, swimming and even track & field used to be dominated by Pac-10 teams. Now many of those sports are shared with or simply dominated by SEC types.
Alabama had a great year, IMHO, with football and three NCAA team titles of the women's side. Florida and LSU have some highlights too. My guess is that the next non-Stanford winner of the NACDA cup will be from the SEC.
Thankfully, with the great TV deal the Pac-12 programs will be able to plow money into better training and facilities for Olympic sports, and most of the Pac-12 AD's seem eager to keep up with the SECs spending race. Well, with the exception of UCB that has stated their new funds will only serve to help close their annual budget gap.
Alabama had a great year, IMHO, with football and three NCAA team titles of the women's side. Florida and LSU have some highlights too. My guess is that the next non-Stanford winner of the NACDA cup will be from the SEC.
Thankfully, with the great TV deal the Pac-12 programs will be able to plow money into better training and facilities for Olympic sports, and most of the Pac-12 AD's seem eager to keep up with the SECs spending race. Well, with the exception of UCB that has stated their new funds will only serve to help close their annual budget gap.
06-12-2012, 02:05 PM
Can we at least speculate that softball and baseball would have done better if the super regionals had been held at, say, Palo Alto?
What does the $EC's financial resource advantage translate to? Better facilities? Better coaches?
What does the $EC's financial resource advantage translate to? Better facilities? Better coaches?
06-12-2012, 03:50 PM
The SEC has spent a lot on softball, and it finally resulted in their first NCAA team title.
It seems like every year that SEC resource commitment has been the theme in the WCWS. The SEC schools spent to get better coaches to become more competitive with the Pac-12 and the Big-12. I am under the impression that they have better training, uniforms and facilities, though that could just be ESPN mythology.
The improved facilities, while costly, would do a few things. #1 - It would create a better fan environment, for more OOC wins. #2 - It would improve recruiting, as kids love the new facilities. #3 - The broadcast friendly facilities would get placed on ESPN more. #4 - It would increase the chances of hosting NCAA regionals.
The Pac-12 softball facilities are generally fine, but if the gap has closed then the Pac-12 would be impacted.
The Pac-12 sits in the best under 18 softball states (California and Arizona). In softball that translates into a meaningful talent advantage, but that does not seem to be the case in other sports.
The resource advantage seems real, though. UCB had to spend money just to meet the NCAA standard to be eligible to host. And on TV it seemed obvious that UCB was not too far above that standard. The SEC teams facilities looked better on TV, and they never seem to worry about qualifying to become host sites. Stanford facilities are well above minimum host standards in most sports, but that is not true across the entire Pac-12 in all sports. Advantage SEC.
It seems like every year that SEC resource commitment has been the theme in the WCWS. The SEC schools spent to get better coaches to become more competitive with the Pac-12 and the Big-12. I am under the impression that they have better training, uniforms and facilities, though that could just be ESPN mythology.
The improved facilities, while costly, would do a few things. #1 - It would create a better fan environment, for more OOC wins. #2 - It would improve recruiting, as kids love the new facilities. #3 - The broadcast friendly facilities would get placed on ESPN more. #4 - It would increase the chances of hosting NCAA regionals.
The Pac-12 softball facilities are generally fine, but if the gap has closed then the Pac-12 would be impacted.
The Pac-12 sits in the best under 18 softball states (California and Arizona). In softball that translates into a meaningful talent advantage, but that does not seem to be the case in other sports.
The resource advantage seems real, though. UCB had to spend money just to meet the NCAA standard to be eligible to host. And on TV it seemed obvious that UCB was not too far above that standard. The SEC teams facilities looked better on TV, and they never seem to worry about qualifying to become host sites. Stanford facilities are well above minimum host standards in most sports, but that is not true across the entire Pac-12 in all sports. Advantage SEC.
The SEC has spent a lot on softball, and it finally resulted in their first NCAA team title.
It seems like every year that SEC resource commitment has been the theme in the WCWS. The SEC schools spent to get better coaches to become more competitive with the Pac-12 and the Big-12. I am under the impression that they have better training, uniforms and facilities, though that could just be ESPN mythology.
The improved facilities, while costly, would do a few things. #1 - It would create a better fan environment, for more OOC wins. #2 - It would improve recruiting, as kids love the new facilities. #3 - The broadcast friendly facilities would get placed on ESPN more. #4 - It would increase the chances of hosting NCAA regionals.
The Pac-12 softball facilities are generally fine, but if the gap has closed then the Pac-12 would be impacted.
The Pac-12 sits in the best under 18 softball states (California and Arizona). In softball that translates into a meaningful talent advantage, but that does not seem to be the case in other sports.
The resource advantage seems real, though. UCB had to spend money just to meet the NCAA standard to be eligible to host. And on TV it seemed obvious that UCB was not too far above that standard. The SEC teams facilities looked better on TV, and they never seem to worry about qualifying to become host sites. Stanford facilities are well above minimum host standards in most sports, but that is not true across the entire Pac-12 in all sports. Advantage SEC.
It seems like every year that SEC resource commitment has been the theme in the WCWS. The SEC schools spent to get better coaches to become more competitive with the Pac-12 and the Big-12. I am under the impression that they have better training, uniforms and facilities, though that could just be ESPN mythology.
The improved facilities, while costly, would do a few things. #1 - It would create a better fan environment, for more OOC wins. #2 - It would improve recruiting, as kids love the new facilities. #3 - The broadcast friendly facilities would get placed on ESPN more. #4 - It would increase the chances of hosting NCAA regionals.
The Pac-12 softball facilities are generally fine, but if the gap has closed then the Pac-12 would be impacted.
The Pac-12 sits in the best under 18 softball states (California and Arizona). In softball that translates into a meaningful talent advantage, but that does not seem to be the case in other sports.
The resource advantage seems real, though. UCB had to spend money just to meet the NCAA standard to be eligible to host. And on TV it seemed obvious that UCB was not too far above that standard. The SEC teams facilities looked better on TV, and they never seem to worry about qualifying to become host sites. Stanford facilities are well above minimum host standards in most sports, but that is not true across the entire Pac-12 in all sports. Advantage SEC.
06-12-2012, 04:15 PM
(06-12-2012, 01:19 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:The SEC's significant financial resource advantage and minimal climate disadvantage is really hurting Pac-12 programs.
That's a nice theory, but
Number of teams in the Directors Cup Top 10:
SEC 1
Pac-12 3
Number in the Directors Cup Top 25:
SEC 4
Pac-12 4
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...0530195334
(06-12-2012, 01:19 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:The SEC's significant financial resource advantage and minimal climate disadvantage is really hurting Pac-12 programs.
That's a nice theory, but
Number of teams in the Directors Cup Top 10:
SEC 1
Pac-12 3
Number in the Directors Cup Top 25:
SEC 4
Pac-12 4
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacd...0530195334
06-12-2012, 05:38 PM
Well sure Yvonne, but the NACDA is probably not the result oriented goal for the SEC.
The Pac-12 competes in several sports that are not in the South. Water Polo & Volleyball come to mind.
The BigTen gets easy points in several sports that are not in the South too. M & W Ice hockey come to mind.
The ACC & BigEast get easy points in lacrosse and field hockey. So other conferences are picking up too many points in regional sports that bump them up the standings.
But in sports that are played nationwide and/or can be played in the South, the SEC has become much stronger.
Tennis, swimming, track, baseball, basketball, football and softball are all nationally sports that are played in most regions of the USA, and in those sports the SEC is stronger now than it was 10 years ago.
This is not to say the Pac-12 (Stanford) can't win the NACDA race. Too many Pac-12 teams get points in Cali-only sports to fear SEC teams in that game. Still the SEC is doing a much better job at picking up NCAA Team Titles.
And it is this year's annual NCAA team title tally that is proof of the concept:Â Pac-12 - 8 NCAA titles, SEC - 8 NCAA + BCS
If you look at the SEC's 8 + BCS it is hard to argue that one would trade for the Pac-12's 8. 10-20 years ago the Pac-10 would routinely dominate the conference crown for NCAA team titles. That has changed, and money and AD investments in the SEC are part of that change.
The Pac-12 competes in several sports that are not in the South. Water Polo & Volleyball come to mind.
The BigTen gets easy points in several sports that are not in the South too. M & W Ice hockey come to mind.
The ACC & BigEast get easy points in lacrosse and field hockey. So other conferences are picking up too many points in regional sports that bump them up the standings.
But in sports that are played nationwide and/or can be played in the South, the SEC has become much stronger.
Tennis, swimming, track, baseball, basketball, football and softball are all nationally sports that are played in most regions of the USA, and in those sports the SEC is stronger now than it was 10 years ago.
This is not to say the Pac-12 (Stanford) can't win the NACDA race. Too many Pac-12 teams get points in Cali-only sports to fear SEC teams in that game. Still the SEC is doing a much better job at picking up NCAA Team Titles.
And it is this year's annual NCAA team title tally that is proof of the concept:Â Pac-12 - 8 NCAA titles, SEC - 8 NCAA + BCS
If you look at the SEC's 8 + BCS it is hard to argue that one would trade for the Pac-12's 8. 10-20 years ago the Pac-10 would routinely dominate the conference crown for NCAA team titles. That has changed, and money and AD investments in the SEC are part of that change.
Well sure Yvonne, but the NACDA is probably not the result oriented goal for the SEC.
The Pac-12 competes in several sports that are not in the South. Water Polo & Volleyball come to mind.
The BigTen gets easy points in several sports that are not in the South too. M & W Ice hockey come to mind.
The ACC & BigEast get easy points in lacrosse and field hockey. So other conferences are picking up too many points in regional sports that bump them up the standings.
But in sports that are played nationwide and/or can be played in the South, the SEC has become much stronger.
Tennis, swimming, track, baseball, basketball, football and softball are all nationally sports that are played in most regions of the USA, and in those sports the SEC is stronger now than it was 10 years ago.
This is not to say the Pac-12 (Stanford) can't win the NACDA race. Too many Pac-12 teams get points in Cali-only sports to fear SEC teams in that game. Still the SEC is doing a much better job at picking up NCAA Team Titles.
And it is this year's annual NCAA team title tally that is proof of the concept:Â Pac-12 - 8 NCAA titles, SEC - 8 NCAA + BCS
If you look at the SEC's 8 + BCS it is hard to argue that one would trade for the Pac-12's 8. 10-20 years ago the Pac-10 would routinely dominate the conference crown for NCAA team titles. That has changed, and money and AD investments in the SEC are part of that change.
The Pac-12 competes in several sports that are not in the South. Water Polo & Volleyball come to mind.
The BigTen gets easy points in several sports that are not in the South too. M & W Ice hockey come to mind.
The ACC & BigEast get easy points in lacrosse and field hockey. So other conferences are picking up too many points in regional sports that bump them up the standings.
But in sports that are played nationwide and/or can be played in the South, the SEC has become much stronger.
Tennis, swimming, track, baseball, basketball, football and softball are all nationally sports that are played in most regions of the USA, and in those sports the SEC is stronger now than it was 10 years ago.
This is not to say the Pac-12 (Stanford) can't win the NACDA race. Too many Pac-12 teams get points in Cali-only sports to fear SEC teams in that game. Still the SEC is doing a much better job at picking up NCAA Team Titles.
And it is this year's annual NCAA team title tally that is proof of the concept:Â Pac-12 - 8 NCAA titles, SEC - 8 NCAA + BCS
If you look at the SEC's 8 + BCS it is hard to argue that one would trade for the Pac-12's 8. 10-20 years ago the Pac-10 would routinely dominate the conference crown for NCAA team titles. That has changed, and money and AD investments in the SEC are part of that change.
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