09-15-2012, 06:30 PM
I have seen enough of Nunes.
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I am ready to roll the dice and start Nottingham in the 2nd half
I am ready to roll the dice and start Nottingham in the 2nd half
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09-15-2012, 06:33 PM
30% completion rate, and 4.6 YPA...honestly, not much to lose. I could put up those numbers.
Chance of Shaw doing that, absolutely zero. We could be down by 30 at the half and he still wouldnt.
Chance of Shaw doing that, absolutely zero. We could be down by 30 at the half and he still wouldnt.
09-15-2012, 06:37 PM
I wanted to wait and see the evidence, and so far the evidence is that he is just not accurate enough. Everything else is basically fine, but that accuracy...
What's the root cause here: is it Nunes or Nottingham? Or was it the fact that neither were all that good in the first place?
What's the root cause here: is it Nunes or Nottingham? Or was it the fact that neither were all that good in the first place?
I wanted to wait and see the evidence, and so far the evidence is that he is just not accurate enough. Everything else is basically fine, but that accuracy...
What's the root cause here: is it Nunes or Nottingham? Or was it the fact that neither were all that good in the first place?
What's the root cause here: is it Nunes or Nottingham? Or was it the fact that neither were all that good in the first place?
09-15-2012, 06:44 PM
It could be that Nottingham isn´t accurate either...we really don´t know.
But the ability for Nunes to get us into the right plays, make smart decisions? That is not what we´re seeing...Shaw overruled Nunes on that drive when Nunes wanted to spike, when a TO was the smarter move, and what Shaw was able to do before Nunes got the snap off. And clearly the picks and the completion rate do not signal smart decision making.
If the issue is command of the offense, maybe its time to dial down the offense, get Nottingham in there, and rely more on sideline playcalls.
But it won´t happen. And even if this continues for the rest of the game? Built in excuse, number 1 team in the country, etc etc etc. But the eyeball test is telling me Nunes doesnt have the right stuff. And its also telling me that USC is not a top 5 team.
But the ability for Nunes to get us into the right plays, make smart decisions? That is not what we´re seeing...Shaw overruled Nunes on that drive when Nunes wanted to spike, when a TO was the smarter move, and what Shaw was able to do before Nunes got the snap off. And clearly the picks and the completion rate do not signal smart decision making.
If the issue is command of the offense, maybe its time to dial down the offense, get Nottingham in there, and rely more on sideline playcalls.
But it won´t happen. And even if this continues for the rest of the game? Built in excuse, number 1 team in the country, etc etc etc. But the eyeball test is telling me Nunes doesnt have the right stuff. And its also telling me that USC is not a top 5 team.
It could be that Nottingham isn´t accurate either...we really don´t know.
But the ability for Nunes to get us into the right plays, make smart decisions? That is not what we´re seeing...Shaw overruled Nunes on that drive when Nunes wanted to spike, when a TO was the smarter move, and what Shaw was able to do before Nunes got the snap off. And clearly the picks and the completion rate do not signal smart decision making.
If the issue is command of the offense, maybe its time to dial down the offense, get Nottingham in there, and rely more on sideline playcalls.
But it won´t happen. And even if this continues for the rest of the game? Built in excuse, number 1 team in the country, etc etc etc. But the eyeball test is telling me Nunes doesnt have the right stuff. And its also telling me that USC is not a top 5 team.
But the ability for Nunes to get us into the right plays, make smart decisions? That is not what we´re seeing...Shaw overruled Nunes on that drive when Nunes wanted to spike, when a TO was the smarter move, and what Shaw was able to do before Nunes got the snap off. And clearly the picks and the completion rate do not signal smart decision making.
If the issue is command of the offense, maybe its time to dial down the offense, get Nottingham in there, and rely more on sideline playcalls.
But it won´t happen. And even if this continues for the rest of the game? Built in excuse, number 1 team in the country, etc etc etc. But the eyeball test is telling me Nunes doesnt have the right stuff. And its also telling me that USC is not a top 5 team.
09-15-2012, 06:49 PM
I agree. If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, USC is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
09-15-2012, 06:50 PM
(09-15-2012, 06:44 PM)dabigv link Wrote:And its also telling me that the University of South Central is not a top 5 team.
I'd disagree with that. SC isn't playing badly. The Stanford defense is playing really well.
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09-15-2012, 07:09 PM
(09-15-2012, 06:50 PM)Roberton3 link Wrote:[quote author=dabigv link=topic=6444.msg47600#msg47600 date=1347759887]
And its also telling me that the University of South Central is not a top 5 team.
I'd disagree with that. SC isn't playing badly. The Stanford defense is playing really well.
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Syracuse put up 29 against USC. We have put up 7 midway in the 3rd quarter. What is wrong with this picture.
(09-15-2012, 06:50 PM)Roberton3 link Wrote:[quote author=dabigv link=topic=6444.msg47600#msg47600 date=1347759887]
And its also telling me that the University of South Central is not a top 5 team.
I'd disagree with that. SC isn't playing badly. The Stanford defense is playing really well.
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Syracuse put up 29 against USC. We have put up 7 midway in the 3rd quarter. What is wrong with this picture.
09-15-2012, 07:59 PM
(09-15-2012, 07:09 PM)NYCCardinalFan link Wrote:Syracuse put up 29 against the University of South Central. We have put up 7 midway in the 3rd quarter. What is wrong with this picture.
21-14 now. Looks like someone fixed the picture.
09-15-2012, 08:29 PM
Nunes > Barkley!
And what a defense we have! Never gave up when things were looking down on the offensive end.
Stayed up from 3-6:30AM on a crappy stream in the Middle East! What a game!
And what a defense we have! Never gave up when things were looking down on the offensive end.
Stayed up from 3-6:30AM on a crappy stream in the Middle East! What a game!
Nunes > Barkley!
And what a defense we have! Never gave up when things were looking down on the offensive end.
Stayed up from 3-6:30AM on a crappy stream in the Middle East! What a game!
And what a defense we have! Never gave up when things were looking down on the offensive end.
Stayed up from 3-6:30AM on a crappy stream in the Middle East! What a game!
09-15-2012, 08:33 PM
(09-15-2012, 06:49 PM)Roberton3 link Wrote:If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
(09-15-2012, 06:49 PM)Roberton3 link Wrote:If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
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09-15-2012, 08:40 PM
Easy with the "never beat Stanford", we could easily play them again. But to be clear, I want these guys again.
Easy with the "never beat Stanford", we could easily play them again. But to be clear, I want these guys again.
09-15-2012, 08:47 PM
Wouldn't it be fun to make Draco 0-5 against Stanford ...
(All we have to do is beat Oregon)
Believe!
(All we have to do is beat Oregon)
Believe!
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
Wouldn't it be fun to make Draco 0-5 against Stanford ...
(All we have to do is beat Oregon)
Believe!
(All we have to do is beat Oregon)
Believe!
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
09-15-2012, 08:49 PM
Until the 4th quarter, I spent the game wishing Luck stayed for his final year of eligibility rather than joining the My Little Ponies.
Until the 4th quarter, I spent the game wishing Luck stayed for his final year of eligibility rather than joining the My Little Ponies.
09-15-2012, 08:57 PM
(09-15-2012, 08:33 PM)Kathy link Wrote:[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
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Indeed. Nunes wasn't great in the second half, but he was pretty good -- substantially better than in the first half -- and that was plenty good enough to win.
(09-15-2012, 08:33 PM)Kathy link Wrote:[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
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Indeed. Nunes wasn't great in the second half, but he was pretty good -- substantially better than in the first half -- and that was plenty good enough to win.
09-15-2012, 09:20 PM
Between Duke and SC, the evidence is that Nunes is a completely different animal in the second half than the first. The conclusion is clear: Nunes is the reliever QB. Or he never throws in the first half. I haven't decided yet.
It fits in so well with the rest of his game that Nunes is the ugliest-looking effective scrambler I've seen. Don't think I've seen another runner whose most effective move is slowing down.
It fits in so well with the rest of his game that Nunes is the ugliest-looking effective scrambler I've seen. Don't think I've seen another runner whose most effective move is slowing down.
Between Duke and SC, the evidence is that Nunes is a completely different animal in the second half than the first. The conclusion is clear: Nunes is the reliever QB. Or he never throws in the first half. I haven't decided yet.
It fits in so well with the rest of his game that Nunes is the ugliest-looking effective scrambler I've seen. Don't think I've seen another runner whose most effective move is slowing down.
It fits in so well with the rest of his game that Nunes is the ugliest-looking effective scrambler I've seen. Don't think I've seen another runner whose most effective move is slowing down.
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09-15-2012, 09:21 PM
(09-15-2012, 08:33 PM)Kathy link Wrote:[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
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TBH with the way our defense and running game played tonight, I think we would have won with Nottingham as starting QB. Nunes had some clutch throws tonight but by and large we won that game in spite of Nunes.
(09-15-2012, 08:33 PM)Kathy link Wrote:[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
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TBH with the way our defense and running game played tonight, I think we would have won with Nottingham as starting QB. Nunes had some clutch throws tonight but by and large we won that game in spite of Nunes.
09-15-2012, 09:22 PM
(09-15-2012, 09:21 PM)NYCCardinalFan link Wrote:[quote author=Kathy link=topic=6444.msg47611#msg47611 date=1347766398]
[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
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TBH with the way our defense and running game played tonight, I think we would have won with Nottingham as starting QB. Nunes had some clutch throws tonight but by and large we won that game in spite of Nunes.
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Yeah...but have you seen Nottingham play?
No one knows anything about him other than he has a strong arm. Whatever else might be said about Nunes' performance tonight, lacking a strong arm was not the underlying problem (of his problems).
(09-15-2012, 09:21 PM)NYCCardinalFan link Wrote:[quote author=Kathy link=topic=6444.msg47611#msg47611 date=1347766398]
[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
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TBH with the way our defense and running game played tonight, I think we would have won with Nottingham as starting QB. Nunes had some clutch throws tonight but by and large we won that game in spite of Nunes.
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Yeah...but have you seen Nottingham play?
No one knows anything about him other than he has a strong arm. Whatever else might be said about Nunes' performance tonight, lacking a strong arm was not the underlying problem (of his problems).
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09-15-2012, 09:24 PM
(09-15-2012, 09:22 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=NYCCardinalFan link=topic=6444.msg47641#msg47641 date=1347769263]
[quote author=Kathy link=topic=6444.msg47611#msg47611 date=1347766398]
[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
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TBH with the way our defense and running game played tonight, I think we would have won with Nottingham as starting QB. Nunes had some clutch throws tonight but by and large we won that game in spite of Nunes.
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Yeah...but have you seen Nottingham play?
No one knows anything about him other than he has a strong arm. Whatever else might be said about Nunes' performance tonight, lacking a strong arm was not the underlying problem (of his problems).
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He looked pretty good from what I saw of him last year. But yeah, Shaw has earned enough respect to be given the benefit of the doubt here.
(09-15-2012, 09:22 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=NYCCardinalFan link=topic=6444.msg47641#msg47641 date=1347769263]
[quote author=Kathy link=topic=6444.msg47611#msg47611 date=1347766398]
[quote author=Roberton3 link=topic=6444.msg47601#msg47601 date=1347760152]
If Nunes plays the second half the way he played the first half, the University of South Central is going to win. I'd go with Nottingham. But I'm really hoping Shaw knows something I don't.
Apparently, Shaw did know something you didn't.
Excellent 4th quarter play by the whole team.
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TBH with the way our defense and running game played tonight, I think we would have won with Nottingham as starting QB. Nunes had some clutch throws tonight but by and large we won that game in spite of Nunes.
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Yeah...but have you seen Nottingham play?
No one knows anything about him other than he has a strong arm. Whatever else might be said about Nunes' performance tonight, lacking a strong arm was not the underlying problem (of his problems).
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He looked pretty good from what I saw of him last year. But yeah, Shaw has earned enough respect to be given the benefit of the doubt here.
09-15-2012, 11:09 PM
(09-15-2012, 09:20 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:It fits in so well with the rest of his game that Nunes is the ugliest-looking effective scrambler I've seen. Don't think I've seen another runner whose most effective move is slowing down.
This quote was hilarious. I think I posted before how it seemed we were missing the dimension of Luck's scrambling (Luck did that 2 years ago a lot more than he did last year, maybe by directive). Nunes did some ugly scrambling today for sure. I absolutely cringed watching him scramble at all because the whole thing looks like it is in slow motion. If Luck runs a 4.6 forty, Nunes looks like he runs a 6.6. The slowing down move on 3rd and 10 on our gamewinning scoring drive, was one of those, "Oh crap, there's no way he makes it AND he's going to get killed" moments that turned into a "I don't know how the hell that just happened, but that was awesome!" moment. Of course, maybe he doesn't have to make that play if he doesn't short hop a ball to a wide-open Ertz on the previous play (he sure seemed to short hop a number of balls today for some reason). All in all, he missed A LOT of passes, some of which looked frankly hideous, but thankfully he made just enough plays to win the game.
(09-15-2012, 09:20 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:It fits in so well with the rest of his game that Nunes is the ugliest-looking effective scrambler I've seen. Don't think I've seen another runner whose most effective move is slowing down.
This quote was hilarious. I think I posted before how it seemed we were missing the dimension of Luck's scrambling (Luck did that 2 years ago a lot more than he did last year, maybe by directive). Nunes did some ugly scrambling today for sure. I absolutely cringed watching him scramble at all because the whole thing looks like it is in slow motion. If Luck runs a 4.6 forty, Nunes looks like he runs a 6.6. The slowing down move on 3rd and 10 on our gamewinning scoring drive, was one of those, "Oh crap, there's no way he makes it AND he's going to get killed" moments that turned into a "I don't know how the hell that just happened, but that was awesome!" moment. Of course, maybe he doesn't have to make that play if he doesn't short hop a ball to a wide-open Ertz on the previous play (he sure seemed to short hop a number of balls today for some reason). All in all, he missed A LOT of passes, some of which looked frankly hideous, but thankfully he made just enough plays to win the game.
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