[dabigv13]

You know normally it would just be fan griping, but when Mike Pereira, former NFL head of referees and current Fox analyst says we scored, definitively, that says something.

I was surprised we didn't get a review during the 2nd down play. Does anybody know the official interpretation of that? Could we have asked for a review? What if we had a timeout? How does it work in OT?

[dabigv13]

You know normally it would just be fan griping, but when Mike Pereira, former NFL head of referees and current Fox analyst says we scored, definitively, that says something.

I was surprised we didn't get a review during the 2nd down play. Does anybody know the official interpretation of that? Could we have asked for a review? What if we had a timeout? How does it work in OT?

[Spiny_Norman]

One other note from the post-game transcript.  In the middle of the 4th quarter, Stanford had 3 and 2 on the ND 3.  Stanford threw a screen  pass gave the ball to Taylor that ND seemed to have perfectly read which resulted in a 7 yard loss.  Apparently the Stanford players heard a whistle and stopped playing.  But the whistle came from the crowd.

Yes, the third and one going to my left.  We ended up on a four or five-yard loss. The whistle came from the crowd. I don't know what can be done about it. I've heard from many people it's happened here a few times. Once again I don't know what can be done outside of maybe stopping the play.  But I'll check the rules and talk to the officials about what can be done there just to, you know, we'll see. Once again I'm not going to comment on what the officials said and I'm not going to comment on what I hear back from the league. I know enough about that; that's a question that we have to get the answer to.
Q. What did your players say to you about how that affected?
COACH SHAW: They heard a whistle. Heard a whistle. Stopped playing.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/stan...013aaa.pdf

There's also this nugget.

Q. You had a pass completion that went to the review booth and ruled it incomplete, and they moved you back four yards; did you notice that happening? You were on the Notre Dame 48 and they moved it back to the Stanford 48.
COACH SHAW: I did notice that. 
Q. Did you say something to them at the time?
COACH SHAW: Yes. I did, but I can't make them -- I mean -- and they put the ball on the wrong hash. There's nothing else I can do about it.  I'm not going to comment on the officials.

[Spiny_Norman]

One other note from the post-game transcript.  In the middle of the 4th quarter, Stanford had 3 and 2 on the ND 3.  Stanford threw a screen  pass gave the ball to Taylor that ND seemed to have perfectly read which resulted in a 7 yard loss.  Apparently the Stanford players heard a whistle and stopped playing.  But the whistle came from the crowd.

Yes, the third and one going to my left.  We ended up on a four or five-yard loss. The whistle came from the crowd. I don't know what can be done about it. I've heard from many people it's happened here a few times. Once again I don't know what can be done outside of maybe stopping the play.  But I'll check the rules and talk to the officials about what can be done there just to, you know, we'll see. Once again I'm not going to comment on what the officials said and I'm not going to comment on what I hear back from the league. I know enough about that; that's a question that we have to get the answer to.
Q. What did your players say to you about how that affected?
COACH SHAW: They heard a whistle. Heard a whistle. Stopped playing.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/stan...013aaa.pdf

There's also this nugget.

Q. You had a pass completion that went to the review booth and ruled it incomplete, and they moved you back four yards; did you notice that happening? You were on the Notre Dame 48 and they moved it back to the Stanford 48.
COACH SHAW: I did notice that. 
Q. Did you say something to them at the time?
COACH SHAW: Yes. I did, but I can't make them -- I mean -- and they put the ball on the wrong hash. There's nothing else I can do about it.  I'm not going to comment on the officials.

[scorecard]

One other note from the post-game transcript.  In the middle of the 4th quarter, Stanford had 3 and 2 on the ND 3.  Stanford threw a screen  pass that ND seemed to have perfectly read which resulted in a 7 yard loss.  Apparently the Stanford players heard a whistle and stopped playing.  But the whistle came from the crowd.

Actually it was just a handoff, but it was clearly a busted play, and Taylor clearly pulled up from running, and it is apparent on the replay that Nunes heard something too.  The play was so ugly at the time, I was wondering what happened.  Pretty shady way to win if you ask me.

The replay official being from the Big East makes a lot of sense now.

[scorecard]

One other note from the post-game transcript.  In the middle of the 4th quarter, Stanford had 3 and 2 on the ND 3.  Stanford threw a screen  pass that ND seemed to have perfectly read which resulted in a 7 yard loss.  Apparently the Stanford players heard a whistle and stopped playing.  But the whistle came from the crowd.

Actually it was just a handoff, but it was clearly a busted play, and Taylor clearly pulled up from running, and it is apparent on the replay that Nunes heard something too.  The play was so ugly at the time, I was wondering what happened.  Pretty shady way to win if you ask me.

The replay official being from the Big East makes a lot of sense now.

[stan01]

Twitter is full of Notre Dame fans attacking posts by Stanford fans, claiming that Stepfan's elbow was down before the ball crossed the line (others claimed no forward progress).  Espn's "rules guru" concluded there wasn't 100% conclusive evidence to overturn the call.  Chris Fowler simply dismissed critics by pointing out that the refs were from the Pac 12.  Lou Holtz, always a bastion of logic, relied on ND's record of defending against TDs in the previous three games to justify why the replay refs denied Stanford's touchdown.  Kevin Gemmel continued his quest of proving he is not a Stanford homer now that he covers the Pac-12 blog.  In Stanford's corner: Mark Mays, Mark Perreira and Ted Miller.  Anyone else?

[stan01]

Twitter is full of Notre Dame fans attacking posts by Stanford fans, claiming that Stepfan's elbow was down before the ball crossed the line (others claimed no forward progress).  Espn's "rules guru" concluded there wasn't 100% conclusive evidence to overturn the call.  Chris Fowler simply dismissed critics by pointing out that the refs were from the Pac 12.  Lou Holtz, always a bastion of logic, relied on ND's record of defending against TDs in the previous three games to justify why the replay refs denied Stanford's touchdown.  Kevin Gemmel continued his quest of proving he is not a Stanford homer now that he covers the Pac-12 blog.  In Stanford's corner: Mark Mays, Mark Perreira and Ted Miller.  Anyone else?

[fullmetal]

University of South Bend fans are cultish in their slavish devotion to their own.  So were these refs after receiving their game checks from USB...

[fullmetal]

University of South Bend fans are cultish in their slavish devotion to their own.  So were these refs after receiving their game checks from USB...

[scorecard]

Twitter is full of Northern Indiana Parochial College fans attacking posts by Stanford fans, claiming that Stepfan's elbow was down before the ball crossed the line (others claimed no forward progress). 

This is the part that rubs me the wrong way about fans and calls like this.  Would it be that hard to just say, "It was a close call, looks like we may have gotten a break there, good game."  Might want to try it someday Brian Kelly.  Instead, Kelly comes out and says they dominated the line of scrimmage all day so they deserved the win. 

But perhaps this is how they teach it at Notre Dame.  Look at Golden Tate in Seattle after he got the benefit of an egregious call by shoving a defender in the back and hugging a guy who had intercepted the ball -- he ran around the field proclaiming his greatness and how he fought for the play and deserved the win.  Um, okay, you cheated and got away with one, try and show a little class.

I bet it wouldn't have mattered because had the officials on the field ruled it good, the replay official probably would have overturned it anyway just like Toilolo's catch.

I personally have not been as ticked off about a call (or series of calls) since Lawrence Hill stuffed Darren Collison cleanly at UCLA a few years back but was called for a bogus foul. Of course there is no replay in basketball, so this is even worse.

Of course, the play didn't guarantee us a win, it would have just sent us to another overtime, but that chance was taken away from our team.

[scorecard]

Twitter is full of Northern Indiana Parochial College fans attacking posts by Stanford fans, claiming that Stepfan's elbow was down before the ball crossed the line (others claimed no forward progress). 

This is the part that rubs me the wrong way about fans and calls like this.  Would it be that hard to just say, "It was a close call, looks like we may have gotten a break there, good game."  Might want to try it someday Brian Kelly.  Instead, Kelly comes out and says they dominated the line of scrimmage all day so they deserved the win. 

But perhaps this is how they teach it at Notre Dame.  Look at Golden Tate in Seattle after he got the benefit of an egregious call by shoving a defender in the back and hugging a guy who had intercepted the ball -- he ran around the field proclaiming his greatness and how he fought for the play and deserved the win.  Um, okay, you cheated and got away with one, try and show a little class.

I bet it wouldn't have mattered because had the officials on the field ruled it good, the replay official probably would have overturned it anyway just like Toilolo's catch.

I personally have not been as ticked off about a call (or series of calls) since Lawrence Hill stuffed Darren Collison cleanly at UCLA a few years back but was called for a bogus foul. Of course there is no replay in basketball, so this is even worse.

Of course, the play didn't guarantee us a win, it would have just sent us to another overtime, but that chance was taken away from our team.

[Griffins78]

Now less emotional...

We actually played a heck of a game. ND was ranked #7 and will presumably move up tonight and we played them pretty darn even. They did not dominate us anywhere - especially on the line. We had shots to win but we made mistakes and the refs made bad calls but ND at ND is very good, played very tough, and is hard to beat.

With the rapid fan support desperately wanting to beat Stanford (they rushed the field after beating #17 ranked Stanford in OT) College Game Day, national TV, etc. this ND team was not going to quit. I don't think we can impose our will on a defense that is that good in that kind of situation.

Their defense is the best defense we've played and probably will play all year. They have not allowed a TD in several games. But our offense moved the ball, our OL protected Nunes and he moved well. Our OL opened up holes (many times) and Taylor played a heck of a game. It was raining, hard at times, and it was difficult for both sides to catch balls.

Our defense pretty much dominated their offense - an offense which ran for 376 yards (587 yards of total offense) against Miami - except for a couple of drives helped by bad calls or miracle plays.

I like the way our defense is playing and improving. Skov is coming back from a major injury and a year of not playing and still isn't up to where he was. Thomas had the best game of the season and there have been some games where he seemed invisible. And our DBs are getting tested and improving every game.

[Griffins78]

Now less emotional...

We actually played a heck of a game. ND was ranked #7 and will presumably move up tonight and we played them pretty darn even. They did not dominate us anywhere - especially on the line. We had shots to win but we made mistakes and the refs made bad calls but ND at ND is very good, played very tough, and is hard to beat.

With the rapid fan support desperately wanting to beat Stanford (they rushed the field after beating #17 ranked Stanford in OT) College Game Day, national TV, etc. this ND team was not going to quit. I don't think we can impose our will on a defense that is that good in that kind of situation.

Their defense is the best defense we've played and probably will play all year. They have not allowed a TD in several games. But our offense moved the ball, our OL protected Nunes and he moved well. Our OL opened up holes (many times) and Taylor played a heck of a game. It was raining, hard at times, and it was difficult for both sides to catch balls.

Our defense pretty much dominated their offense - an offense which ran for 376 yards (587 yards of total offense) against Miami - except for a couple of drives helped by bad calls or miracle plays.

I like the way our defense is playing and improving. Skov is coming back from a major injury and a year of not playing and still isn't up to where he was. Thomas had the best game of the season and there have been some games where he seemed invisible. And our DBs are getting tested and improving every game.

[needle]

For me, this loss didn't hurt as much as against Washington (who I really feel we would beat 8 or 9 times out of 10).

ND has some definite strengths and made plays (maybe a little bit lucky) beyond just breaking a poor tackle like the UW receiver and Sankey did. They won the game more than Stanford lost it.

The Big Game is actually really big, imo. Win, and I'm sure this team will finish the season strong. Lose, however, and I do think there is potential for a lot of dissension and disappointment that will be tough to rally against. Many of us remember 1997, when the team started 4-1 but then lost five straight.

[needle]

For me, this loss didn't hurt as much as against Washington (who I really feel we would beat 8 or 9 times out of 10).

ND has some definite strengths and made plays (maybe a little bit lucky) beyond just breaking a poor tackle like the UW receiver and Sankey did. They won the game more than Stanford lost it.

The Big Game is actually really big, imo. Win, and I'm sure this team will finish the season strong. Lose, however, and I do think there is potential for a lot of dissension and disappointment that will be tough to rally against. Many of us remember 1997, when the team started 4-1 but then lost five straight.

[ChingisKhan]

Next year's ND @ Stanford will be brobdingnagian. A raucous home crowd with a whistle or two is called for.

[ChingisKhan]

Next year's ND @ Stanford will be brobdingnagian. A raucous home crowd with a whistle or two is called for.

[JohnR34231]

Now less emotional...

We actually played a heck of a game. ND was ranked #7 and will presumably move up tonight and we played them pretty darn even. They did not dominate us anywhere - especially on the line. We had shots to win but we made mistakes and the refs made bad calls but ND at ND is very good, played very tough, and is hard to beat.

With the rapid fan support desperately wanting to beat Stanford (they rushed the field after beating #17 ranked Stanford in OT) College Game Day, national TV, etc. this ND team was not going to quit. I don't think we can impose our will on a defense that is that good in that kind of situation.

Their defense is the best defense we've played and probably will play all year. They have not allowed a TD in several games. But our offense moved the ball, our OL protected Nunes and he moved well. Our OL opened up holes (many times) and Taylor played a heck of a game. It was raining, hard at times, and it was difficult for both sides to catch balls.

Our defense pretty much dominated their offense - an offense which ran for 376 yards (587 yards of total offense) against Miami - except for a couple of drives helped by bad calls or miracle plays.

I like the way our defense is playing and improving. Skov is coming back from a major injury and a year of not playing and still isn't up to where he was. Thomas had the best game of the season and there have been some games where he seemed invisible. And our DBs are getting tested and improving every game.

That's the glass is half full approach to the game and I think, in general, that's fine.

However, to suggest that the performance of our offense was satisfactory is really stretching it.

[JohnR34231]

Now less emotional...

We actually played a heck of a game. ND was ranked #7 and will presumably move up tonight and we played them pretty darn even. They did not dominate us anywhere - especially on the line. We had shots to win but we made mistakes and the refs made bad calls but ND at ND is very good, played very tough, and is hard to beat.

With the rapid fan support desperately wanting to beat Stanford (they rushed the field after beating #17 ranked Stanford in OT) College Game Day, national TV, etc. this ND team was not going to quit. I don't think we can impose our will on a defense that is that good in that kind of situation.

Their defense is the best defense we've played and probably will play all year. They have not allowed a TD in several games. But our offense moved the ball, our OL protected Nunes and he moved well. Our OL opened up holes (many times) and Taylor played a heck of a game. It was raining, hard at times, and it was difficult for both sides to catch balls.

Our defense pretty much dominated their offense - an offense which ran for 376 yards (587 yards of total offense) against Miami - except for a couple of drives helped by bad calls or miracle plays.

I like the way our defense is playing and improving. Skov is coming back from a major injury and a year of not playing and still isn't up to where he was. Thomas had the best game of the season and there have been some games where he seemed invisible. And our DBs are getting tested and improving every game.

That's the glass is half full approach to the game and I think, in general, that's fine.

However, to suggest that the performance of our offense was satisfactory is really stretching it.

[SamAtoms1980]

Next year's ND @ Stanford will be of extremely large proportions. A raucous home crowd with a whistle or two is called for.

Raucous, playing whistles, and willing to travel a little.

[SamAtoms1980]

Next year's ND @ Stanford will be of extremely large proportions. A raucous home crowd with a whistle or two is called for.

Raucous, playing whistles, and willing to travel a little.

[Embo]

[quote author=ChingisKhan link=topic=6661.msg49686#msg49686 date=1350252240]
Next year's ND @ Stanford will be of extremely large proportions. A raucous home crowd with a whistle or two is called for.

Raucous, playing whistles, and willing to travel a little.
[/quote]

That ND article you linked is dated December 2011.  He writes as though the decision to play in China in 2013 were cast in stone. 
It's not, according to Tom FitzGerald, who wrote this yesterday.

http://blog.sfgate.com/stanfordsports/20...ar-future/

[Embo]

[quote author=ChingisKhan link=topic=6661.msg49686#msg49686 date=1350252240]
Next year's ND @ Stanford will be of extremely large proportions. A raucous home crowd with a whistle or two is called for.

Raucous, playing whistles, and willing to travel a little.
[/quote]

That ND article you linked is dated December 2011.  He writes as though the decision to play in China in 2013 were cast in stone. 
It's not, according to Tom FitzGerald, who wrote this yesterday.

http://blog.sfgate.com/stanfordsports/20...ar-future/

[Leftcoast]

No whistles, please!  Leave those to the refs.  I'd be inclined to point out anyone with a whistle to the ushers like folks did to the guys shining laser pointers at free throw shooters at basketball games. 

As frustrated as we may be let's be better than that. 

But feel free to call Brian Kelly the unclaimed progeny of an undersized mule and an oversized ass.  (I'm speaking of the four-legged variety of course!)

[Leftcoast]

No whistles, please!  Leave those to the refs.  I'd be inclined to point out anyone with a whistle to the ushers like folks did to the guys shining laser pointers at free throw shooters at basketball games. 

As frustrated as we may be let's be better than that. 

But feel free to call Brian Kelly the unclaimed progeny of an undersized mule and an oversized ass.  (I'm speaking of the four-legged variety of course!)

[JohnR34231]

For me, this loss didn't hurt as much as against Washington (who I really feel we would beat 8 or 9 times out of 10).

ND has some definite strengths and made plays (maybe a little bit lucky) beyond just breaking a poor tackle like the UW receiver and Sankey did. They won the game more than Stanford lost it.

The Big Game is actually really big, imo. Win, and I'm sure this team will finish the season strong. Lose, however, and I do think there is potential for a lot of dissension and disappointment that will be tough to rally against. Many of us remember 1997, when the team started 4-1 but then lost five straight.

Agree. Although it would have been a great victory, there really is nothing to be ashamed about in taking a top ten team into overtime on their home field.  Also, given the ND defense's stinginess this year, our offensive performance was probably a bit more excusable.
This game would have been nice to win, Washington was one we should have won.

Also agree the Kal game is really, really big. Win it and 8-4 (or maybe even 9-3) is reachable. Lose it, and I'm afraid we are looking at 7-5 or 6-6.

P.S. If we fail to get an offensive touchdown (perish the thought) against the Bares, and Shaw still refuses to give anyone else a shot at QB, consider me to have jumped on the "Is he the right guy for the job" bandwagon.

[JohnR34231]

For me, this loss didn't hurt as much as against Washington (who I really feel we would beat 8 or 9 times out of 10).

ND has some definite strengths and made plays (maybe a little bit lucky) beyond just breaking a poor tackle like the UW receiver and Sankey did. They won the game more than Stanford lost it.

The Big Game is actually really big, imo. Win, and I'm sure this team will finish the season strong. Lose, however, and I do think there is potential for a lot of dissension and disappointment that will be tough to rally against. Many of us remember 1997, when the team started 4-1 but then lost five straight.

Agree. Although it would have been a great victory, there really is nothing to be ashamed about in taking a top ten team into overtime on their home field.  Also, given the ND defense's stinginess this year, our offensive performance was probably a bit more excusable.
This game would have been nice to win, Washington was one we should have won.

Also agree the Kal game is really, really big. Win it and 8-4 (or maybe even 9-3) is reachable. Lose it, and I'm afraid we are looking at 7-5 or 6-6.

P.S. If we fail to get an offensive touchdown (perish the thought) against the Bares, and Shaw still refuses to give anyone else a shot at QB, consider me to have jumped on the "Is he the right guy for the job" bandwagon.