06-08-2013, 03:14 PM
Never been so excited to see a second place result in the Women's 100 M hurdles.
Update on Director's Cup
06-08-2013, 03:54 PM
Looks like Stanford women beat Florida, 33 points to 25. The Cup stays in Palo Alto. Kori Carter was the difference this weekend.
Geaux Cardinal!
Geaux Cardinal!
Looks like Stanford women beat Florida, 33 points to 25. The Cup stays in Palo Alto. Kori Carter was the difference this weekend.
Geaux Cardinal!
Geaux Cardinal!
06-08-2013, 04:07 PM
According to my back of the envelope (actually, sticky note) calculations:
Stanford = 1240 + (women's t+f 73.5) - (wlax 53) = 1260.5
Florida = 1135.5 + (men's t+f 100) + (women's t+f 66) - (women's cross-country 51) = 1250.5.
Don't think UCLA or North Carolina can catch up.
Kori Carter, by herself = 18 points at women's t+f, the difference between tied for 6th/73.5 points and tied for 15th/57 points. And losing the cup.
Hoping that NACDA doesn't play any games with the men's golf scoring, but we'll see next week - they release the semi-final results on June 14, which include everything but baseball.
VG
Stanford = 1240 + (women's t+f 73.5) - (wlax 53) = 1260.5
Florida = 1135.5 + (men's t+f 100) + (women's t+f 66) - (women's cross-country 51) = 1250.5.
Don't think UCLA or North Carolina can catch up.
Kori Carter, by herself = 18 points at women's t+f, the difference between tied for 6th/73.5 points and tied for 15th/57 points. And losing the cup.
Hoping that NACDA doesn't play any games with the men's golf scoring, but we'll see next week - they release the semi-final results on June 14, which include everything but baseball.
VG
According to my back of the envelope (actually, sticky note) calculations:
Stanford = 1240 + (women's t+f 73.5) - (wlax 53) = 1260.5
Florida = 1135.5 + (men's t+f 100) + (women's t+f 66) - (women's cross-country 51) = 1250.5.
Don't think UCLA or North Carolina can catch up.
Kori Carter, by herself = 18 points at women's t+f, the difference between tied for 6th/73.5 points and tied for 15th/57 points. And losing the cup.
Hoping that NACDA doesn't play any games with the men's golf scoring, but we'll see next week - they release the semi-final results on June 14, which include everything but baseball.
VG
Stanford = 1240 + (women's t+f 73.5) - (wlax 53) = 1260.5
Florida = 1135.5 + (men's t+f 100) + (women's t+f 66) - (women's cross-country 51) = 1250.5.
Don't think UCLA or North Carolina can catch up.
Kori Carter, by herself = 18 points at women's t+f, the difference between tied for 6th/73.5 points and tied for 15th/57 points. And losing the cup.
Hoping that NACDA doesn't play any games with the men's golf scoring, but we'll see next week - they release the semi-final results on June 14, which include everything but baseball.
VG
06-08-2013, 04:31 PM
VG, my numbers are similar:
Prior        T&F   Final         Lead
Stanford 1,240.00 21.75 1,261.75
Florida 1,135.50 112.25 1,247.75 14.00
UCLA 1,098.00 79.00 1,177.00 84.75
These assume Florida men earned 100 Cup points for first place.
UCLA is out, having only 36 available points for baseball after the 64 already assured and included above.
Hopefully the lead is enough to overcome any unexpected point swings for Men's Golf which you noted early on as a wild card.
It's sure been exciting. Hopefully we'll see improved performance on the men's side next year. Imagine where we'd be if the Women's tennis team hadn't beaten Florida head-to-head. Might have lost the Cup by a single point!
Prior        T&F   Final         Lead
Stanford 1,240.00 21.75 1,261.75
Florida 1,135.50 112.25 1,247.75 14.00
UCLA 1,098.00 79.00 1,177.00 84.75
These assume Florida men earned 100 Cup points for first place.
UCLA is out, having only 36 available points for baseball after the 64 already assured and included above.
Hopefully the lead is enough to overcome any unexpected point swings for Men's Golf which you noted early on as a wild card.
It's sure been exciting. Hopefully we'll see improved performance on the men's side next year. Imagine where we'd be if the Women's tennis team hadn't beaten Florida head-to-head. Might have lost the Cup by a single point!
VG, my numbers are similar:
Prior        T&F   Final         Lead
Stanford 1,240.00 21.75 1,261.75
Florida 1,135.50 112.25 1,247.75 14.00
UCLA 1,098.00 79.00 1,177.00 84.75
These assume Florida men earned 100 Cup points for first place.
UCLA is out, having only 36 available points for baseball after the 64 already assured and included above.
Hopefully the lead is enough to overcome any unexpected point swings for Men's Golf which you noted early on as a wild card.
It's sure been exciting. Hopefully we'll see improved performance on the men's side next year. Imagine where we'd be if the Women's tennis team hadn't beaten Florida head-to-head. Might have lost the Cup by a single point!
Prior        T&F   Final         Lead
Stanford 1,240.00 21.75 1,261.75
Florida 1,135.50 112.25 1,247.75 14.00
UCLA 1,098.00 79.00 1,177.00 84.75
These assume Florida men earned 100 Cup points for first place.
UCLA is out, having only 36 available points for baseball after the 64 already assured and included above.
Hopefully the lead is enough to overcome any unexpected point swings for Men's Golf which you noted early on as a wild card.
It's sure been exciting. Hopefully we'll see improved performance on the men's side next year. Imagine where we'd be if the Women's tennis team hadn't beaten Florida head-to-head. Might have lost the Cup by a single point!
06-08-2013, 04:38 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-08-2013, 04:42 PM by BigEasyCard.)
Correction, the Stanford lead is 10 per VG, not 14 as I posted.
I was subtracting 51 from Stanford women's total and 53 from Florida's.
However, if Florida men shared the title, they earn 95 Cup points instead of 100 and Stanford's unofficial lead becomes 15.
I was subtracting 51 from Stanford women's total and 53 from Florida's.
However, if Florida men shared the title, they earn 95 Cup points instead of 100 and Stanford's unofficial lead becomes 15.
(This post was last modified: 06-08-2013, 04:42 PM by BigEasyCard.)
Correction, the Stanford lead is 10 per VG, not 14 as I posted.
I was subtracting 51 from Stanford women's total and 53 from Florida's.
However, if Florida men shared the title, they earn 95 Cup points instead of 100 and Stanford's unofficial lead becomes 15.
I was subtracting 51 from Stanford women's total and 53 from Florida's.
However, if Florida men shared the title, they earn 95 Cup points instead of 100 and Stanford's unofficial lead becomes 15.
06-08-2013, 04:43 PM
I believe a tie for first is worth 95 points. From the NACDA scoring page <http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html>:
Quote:When a tie occurs, the average of the places the teams occupy is taken and given to all of the teams that are tied. For example, if three teams tied for 30th place in a 64-team event, the average of the points given to places 30-32 (44 pts., 43 pts., 42 pts.) will be given to all three teams. In this case, each team would receive 43 pts. ((44+43+42)/3=43).
I believe a tie for first is worth 95 points. From the NACDA scoring page <http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html>:
Quote:When a tie occurs, the average of the places the teams occupy is taken and given to all of the teams that are tied. For example, if three teams tied for 30th place in a 64-team event, the average of the points given to places 30-32 (44 pts., 43 pts., 42 pts.) will be given to all three teams. In this case, each team would receive 43 pts. ((44+43+42)/3=43).
06-08-2013, 05:05 PM
Removing Stanford from the Track meet for a second...How hard is it on those TXA&M 4X400 guys. They literally just needed to run a time they could run in practice with super safe passes. That must be tough.
06-08-2013, 06:03 PM
Then a slight difference- Stanford and Arizona tied for 6th in Women's T+F, so each would receive 72.75 NACDA points, not the 73.5 I thought.
1259.75, under 10 points difference. Now I am a bit more concerned about how men's golf is scored.
VG
1259.75, under 10 points difference. Now I am a bit more concerned about how men's golf is scored.
VG
Then a slight difference- Stanford and Arizona tied for 6th in Women's T+F, so each would receive 72.75 NACDA points, not the 73.5 I thought.
1259.75, under 10 points difference. Now I am a bit more concerned about how men's golf is scored.
VG
1259.75, under 10 points difference. Now I am a bit more concerned about how men's golf is scored.
VG
06-08-2013, 06:12 PM
Several of us on the other site believe we won the Cup by 17 points. All Right Now.Â
06-08-2013, 06:14 PM
Looking at last year's NACDA scoring, it appears as if teams in the regionals were scored as tying by the place they finished if they didn't make the final 30 - so the teams that finished in or tied 6th were counted as tying for 31st, then the next were tied for (31st + how ever many teams were tied for those 6th spots; in this case, 39th).
In other words, all 7 teams in the six regionals that finished tied for 6th place were counted as finishing tied for 31st, and their NACDA points were calculated as the sum of places 31-37 in the NACDA 64 team unbracketed scoring divided by 7.
This year, 7 teams finished in or tied for 6th place, and 7 finished tied or in 7th place. So Stanford should score the sum of points of places 38 through 44, divided by 7, or 33 points.
Will be interesting to see if that what's actually happens.
VG
In other words, all 7 teams in the six regionals that finished tied for 6th place were counted as finishing tied for 31st, and their NACDA points were calculated as the sum of places 31-37 in the NACDA 64 team unbracketed scoring divided by 7.
This year, 7 teams finished in or tied for 6th place, and 7 finished tied or in 7th place. So Stanford should score the sum of points of places 38 through 44, divided by 7, or 33 points.
Will be interesting to see if that what's actually happens.
VG
Looking at last year's NACDA scoring, it appears as if teams in the regionals were scored as tying by the place they finished if they didn't make the final 30 - so the teams that finished in or tied 6th were counted as tying for 31st, then the next were tied for (31st + how ever many teams were tied for those 6th spots; in this case, 39th).
In other words, all 7 teams in the six regionals that finished tied for 6th place were counted as finishing tied for 31st, and their NACDA points were calculated as the sum of places 31-37 in the NACDA 64 team unbracketed scoring divided by 7.
This year, 7 teams finished in or tied for 6th place, and 7 finished tied or in 7th place. So Stanford should score the sum of points of places 38 through 44, divided by 7, or 33 points.
Will be interesting to see if that what's actually happens.
VG
In other words, all 7 teams in the six regionals that finished tied for 6th place were counted as finishing tied for 31st, and their NACDA points were calculated as the sum of places 31-37 in the NACDA 64 team unbracketed scoring divided by 7.
This year, 7 teams finished in or tied for 6th place, and 7 finished tied or in 7th place. So Stanford should score the sum of points of places 38 through 44, divided by 7, or 33 points.
Will be interesting to see if that what's actually happens.
VG
06-08-2013, 06:24 PM
(06-08-2013, 06:03 PM)Viking_Guy link Wrote:Then a slight difference- Stanford and Arizona tied for 6th in Women's T+F, so each would receive 72.75 NACDA points, not the 73.5 I thought.
1259.75, under 10 points difference. Now I am a bit more concerned about how men's golf is scored.
VG
I would make the following minor adjustments:
Add 2.5 to Stanford for total of 1262.25. Men's golf's 7th place in one of 6 regionals should be a 6 way tie calling for averaging of points for 37th through 42d place. I get 34.5 instead of 32. Although this is what makes sense to me, I could see some other weird approaches, like averaging all who didn't advance either in regionals or round of 25.
Subtract 5 from Florida for total of 1245.5. Men's T&F tie for first should be good for average of 100 for first and 90 for second which is 95.
16.75 margin is close. But a win is a win.
(06-08-2013, 06:03 PM)Viking_Guy link Wrote:Then a slight difference- Stanford and Arizona tied for 6th in Women's T+F, so each would receive 72.75 NACDA points, not the 73.5 I thought.
1259.75, under 10 points difference. Now I am a bit more concerned about how men's golf is scored.
VG
I would make the following minor adjustments:
Add 2.5 to Stanford for total of 1262.25. Men's golf's 7th place in one of 6 regionals should be a 6 way tie calling for averaging of points for 37th through 42d place. I get 34.5 instead of 32. Although this is what makes sense to me, I could see some other weird approaches, like averaging all who didn't advance either in regionals or round of 25.
Subtract 5 from Florida for total of 1245.5. Men's T&F tie for first should be good for average of 100 for first and 90 for second which is 95.
16.75 margin is close. But a win is a win.
06-09-2013, 06:44 AM
Vike, BigEasy and 82,
Terrific work keeping us updated on the unofficial results. Insight nowhere else to be found yet. Pure signal.
Terrific work keeping us updated on the unofficial results. Insight nowhere else to be found yet. Pure signal.
Vike, BigEasy and 82,
Terrific work keeping us updated on the unofficial results. Insight nowhere else to be found yet. Pure signal.
Terrific work keeping us updated on the unofficial results. Insight nowhere else to be found yet. Pure signal.
Note: This post has been modified several times to correct errors.
Perhaps obsessing too much, I went back and recomputed using the points for each sport. The totals are 1262.25 for Stanford and 1244.25 for Florida. The difference between the schools is 18.
The details are in tables below. Points that count are in bold.
Stanford Women
Stanford men
Florida women
Florida men
Perhaps obsessing too much, I went back and recomputed using the points for each sport. The totals are 1262.25 for Stanford and 1244.25 for Florida. The difference between the schools is 18.
The details are in tables below. Points that count are in bold.
Stanford Women
| cc | Â Â 3 | 85 |
| fh | Â Â 9 | 25 |
| soc | Â Â 3 | 83 |
| vb | Â Â 5 | 73 |
| bb | Â Â 9 | 64 |
| gym | Â Â 7 | 68.25 |
| swim | Â Â 8 | [b]70.5[/b] |
| golf | Â Â 13 | 62.25 |
| lax | Â Â 9 | 53 |
| ten | Â Â 1 | 100 |
| wp | Â Â 2 | 90 |
| ot&f | 6 (2 way) | 72.75 |
| Total top 10 | 768.75 |
Stanford men
| cc | Â 16 | 58.5 |
| fb | Â Â 6 | 73.5 |
| gym | Â Â 3 | 85 |
| swim | Â Â 7 | 72 |
| it&f | Â 30 | 43.5 |
| wrest | Â 38 | 35.5 |
| ten | Â 33 | [b]25[/b] |
| golf | 37 (6 way) | 34.5 |
| fencing | Â Â 8 | 66 |
| Total | 493.5 |
Florida women
| cc | Â 23 | Â Â 51 |
| soc | Â Â 9 | Â Â 64 |
| vb | Â Â 9 | Â Â 64 |
| gym | Â Â 1 | Â 100 |
| swim | Â Â 6 | Â 73.5 |
| it&f | Â Â 13 | Â Â 63 |
| golf | Â Â 17 | Â Â 57 |
| lax | Â Â 5 | Â Â 70 |
| ten | 3 (2 way) | Â Â 82.5 |
| sb | Â Â 5 | Â Â 78 |
| ot&f | 11 (2 way) | Â Â 65.25 |
| Total top 10 | 717.25 |
Florida men
| cc | Â 32 | 29 |
| fb | Â 10 | 67.5 |
| bb | Â Â 5 | 73 |
| swim | Â Â 6 | 73.5 |
| it&f | Â Â 2 | 90 |
| ten | Â 33 | [b]25[/b] |
| golf | Â 25 | 49 |
| bb | Â 33 | 25 |
| ot&f | 1 (2 way) | 95 |
| Total | 527 |
Note: This post has been modified several times to correct errors.
Perhaps obsessing too much, I went back and recomputed using the points for each sport. The totals are 1262.25 for Stanford and 1244.25 for Florida. The difference between the schools is 18.
The details are in tables below. Points that count are in bold.
Stanford Women
Stanford men
Florida women
Florida men
Perhaps obsessing too much, I went back and recomputed using the points for each sport. The totals are 1262.25 for Stanford and 1244.25 for Florida. The difference between the schools is 18.
The details are in tables below. Points that count are in bold.
Stanford Women
| cc | Â Â 3 | 85 |
| fh | Â Â 9 | 25 |
| soc | Â Â 3 | 83 |
| vb | Â Â 5 | 73 |
| bb | Â Â 9 | 64 |
| gym | Â Â 7 | 68.25 |
| swim | Â Â 8 | [b]70.5[/b] |
| golf | Â Â 13 | 62.25 |
| lax | Â Â 9 | 53 |
| ten | Â Â 1 | 100 |
| wp | Â Â 2 | 90 |
| ot&f | 6 (2 way) | 72.75 |
| Total top 10 | 768.75 |
Stanford men
| cc | Â 16 | 58.5 |
| fb | Â Â 6 | 73.5 |
| gym | Â Â 3 | 85 |
| swim | Â Â 7 | 72 |
| it&f | Â 30 | 43.5 |
| wrest | Â 38 | 35.5 |
| ten | Â 33 | [b]25[/b] |
| golf | 37 (6 way) | 34.5 |
| fencing | Â Â 8 | 66 |
| Total | 493.5 |
Florida women
| cc | Â 23 | Â Â 51 |
| soc | Â Â 9 | Â Â 64 |
| vb | Â Â 9 | Â Â 64 |
| gym | Â Â 1 | Â 100 |
| swim | Â Â 6 | Â 73.5 |
| it&f | Â Â 13 | Â Â 63 |
| golf | Â Â 17 | Â Â 57 |
| lax | Â Â 5 | Â Â 70 |
| ten | 3 (2 way) | Â Â 82.5 |
| sb | Â Â 5 | Â Â 78 |
| ot&f | 11 (2 way) | Â Â 65.25 |
| Total top 10 | 717.25 |
Florida men
| cc | Â 32 | 29 |
| fb | Â 10 | 67.5 |
| bb | Â Â 5 | 73 |
| swim | Â Â 6 | 73.5 |
| it&f | Â Â 2 | 90 |
| ten | Â 33 | [b]25[/b] |
| golf | Â 25 | 49 |
| bb | Â 33 | 25 |
| ot&f | 1 (2 way) | 95 |
| Total | 527 |
06-09-2013, 12:52 PM
'82, thanks for providing these details.
The 17 point difference should provide sufficient cushion to offset any uncertainties about scoring for Men's Golf.
What a ride!
The 17 point difference should provide sufficient cushion to offset any uncertainties about scoring for Men's Golf.
What a ride!
'82, thanks for providing these details.
The 17 point difference should provide sufficient cushion to offset any uncertainties about scoring for Men's Golf.
What a ride!
The 17 point difference should provide sufficient cushion to offset any uncertainties about scoring for Men's Golf.
What a ride!
06-09-2013, 02:21 PM
Outstanding 82Card!
Question: you list Florida Women's Tennis Team 3rd - but since they lost in semis and I don't think the played UCLA for 3rd place - should they share 3rd/4th place points with UCLA?
Alternatively - Florida's website says that the Final ITA end of season rankings has Florida ranked No. 2 (ahead of Texas A&M). Does that have any relevance? They also had Lauren Embree ranked No. 1 ahead of Nicole Gibbs even though she got waxed.
Question: you list Florida Women's Tennis Team 3rd - but since they lost in semis and I don't think the played UCLA for 3rd place - should they share 3rd/4th place points with UCLA?
Alternatively - Florida's website says that the Final ITA end of season rankings has Florida ranked No. 2 (ahead of Texas A&M). Does that have any relevance? They also had Lauren Embree ranked No. 1 ahead of Nicole Gibbs even though she got waxed.
Outstanding 82Card!
Question: you list Florida Women's Tennis Team 3rd - but since they lost in semis and I don't think the played UCLA for 3rd place - should they share 3rd/4th place points with UCLA?
Alternatively - Florida's website says that the Final ITA end of season rankings has Florida ranked No. 2 (ahead of Texas A&M). Does that have any relevance? They also had Lauren Embree ranked No. 1 ahead of Nicole Gibbs even though she got waxed.
Question: you list Florida Women's Tennis Team 3rd - but since they lost in semis and I don't think the played UCLA for 3rd place - should they share 3rd/4th place points with UCLA?
Alternatively - Florida's website says that the Final ITA end of season rankings has Florida ranked No. 2 (ahead of Texas A&M). Does that have any relevance? They also had Lauren Embree ranked No. 1 ahead of Nicole Gibbs even though she got waxed.
The 83 for tennis is an average. I guess it should really be 82.5. I will modify. There may be others that got rounded.
The polls do not matter outside of FB. From the official scoring page at http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html:
My point total for Florida is a bit higher than the tally on Bootleg. I think their math is off on Florida men.
The polls do not matter outside of FB. From the official scoring page at http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html:
Quote:Conference Championships/National Polls
An institution's finish in conference championships or ranking in national polls, with the exception of the FBS football (formerly I-A) poll (USA Today/ESPN Coaches' Poll), will not count toward the point tally in the Learfield Sports Directors' Cup standings. All points are based on an institution's finish in the NCAA or NAIA championships
My point total for Florida is a bit higher than the tally on Bootleg. I think their math is off on Florida men.
The 83 for tennis is an average. I guess it should really be 82.5. I will modify. There may be others that got rounded.
The polls do not matter outside of FB. From the official scoring page at http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html:
My point total for Florida is a bit higher than the tally on Bootleg. I think their math is off on Florida men.
The polls do not matter outside of FB. From the official scoring page at http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/nacda-...oring.html:
Quote:Conference Championships/National Polls
An institution's finish in conference championships or ranking in national polls, with the exception of the FBS football (formerly I-A) poll (USA Today/ESPN Coaches' Poll), will not count toward the point tally in the Learfield Sports Directors' Cup standings. All points are based on an institution's finish in the NCAA or NAIA championships
My point total for Florida is a bit higher than the tally on Bootleg. I think their math is off on Florida men.
06-09-2013, 03:01 PM
Nice work, 82 Card. That was a nailbiter. Without Kori Carter, we would have lost the Cup. We might well have lost the Cup if we had lost the Rose Bowl. . . .
06-11-2013, 04:48 PM
A small coda on Stanford and Florida coming down to the wire for the Director's Cup.
With the US Open this week, the LA Times offered a sports feature today on three players who had lost major championship playoffs to Tiger Woods, including Chris DiMarco. Woods beat DiMarco to win the Masters in 2005.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0611...ull.column
With the US Open this week, the LA Times offered a sports feature today on three players who had lost major championship playoffs to Tiger Woods, including Chris DiMarco. Woods beat DiMarco to win the Masters in 2005.
Quote:DiMarco would love to rehash the details but so far has taken only a few practice-range digs at Tiger.
"Lucky-expletive chip," he playfully sometimes chirps at Woods.
And Woods just smiles.
DiMarco said Woods has a good sense of humor that often is smothered in his protective cocoon.
DiMarco, who attended Florida, once marked a golf ball "Go Gators" and rolled it to Woods on the practice range. Woods took out a Sharpie, replaced "Go" with an expletive and rolled it back.
The ball is in the souvenir case because DiMarco says, "I think it's the only ball he's ever signed!"
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0611...ull.column
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
A small coda on Stanford and Florida coming down to the wire for the Director's Cup.
With the US Open this week, the LA Times offered a sports feature today on three players who had lost major championship playoffs to Tiger Woods, including Chris DiMarco. Woods beat DiMarco to win the Masters in 2005.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0611...ull.column
With the US Open this week, the LA Times offered a sports feature today on three players who had lost major championship playoffs to Tiger Woods, including Chris DiMarco. Woods beat DiMarco to win the Masters in 2005.
Quote:DiMarco would love to rehash the details but so far has taken only a few practice-range digs at Tiger.
"Lucky-expletive chip," he playfully sometimes chirps at Woods.
And Woods just smiles.
DiMarco said Woods has a good sense of humor that often is smothered in his protective cocoon.
DiMarco, who attended Florida, once marked a golf ball "Go Gators" and rolled it to Woods on the practice range. Woods took out a Sharpie, replaced "Go" with an expletive and rolled it back.
The ball is in the souvenir case because DiMarco says, "I think it's the only ball he's ever signed!"
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0611...ull.column
"We have an unwritten rule around here not to do anything stupid."
-Casey Jacobsen, Feb 3, 2000
06-11-2013, 06:19 PM
Here's a link to a Bootleg story on the Cup:
http://auburn.scout.com/2/1298326.html
Much of the content parallels what we have collectively posted here already, but all in all, a good read.
http://auburn.scout.com/2/1298326.html
Much of the content parallels what we have collectively posted here already, but all in all, a good read.
Here's a link to a Bootleg story on the Cup:
http://auburn.scout.com/2/1298326.html
Much of the content parallels what we have collectively posted here already, but all in all, a good read.
http://auburn.scout.com/2/1298326.html
Much of the content parallels what we have collectively posted here already, but all in all, a good read.
06-11-2013, 06:56 PM
(06-11-2013, 06:19 PM)BigEasyCard link Wrote:Here's a link to a Bootleg story on the Cup:
http://auburn.scout.com/2/1298326.html
Much of the content parallels what we have collectively posted here already, but all in all, a good read.
Why does it have 'auburn' in the address? Are we building a church if people read it?
(06-11-2013, 06:19 PM)BigEasyCard link Wrote:Here's a link to a Bootleg story on the Cup:
http://auburn.scout.com/2/1298326.html
Much of the content parallels what we have collectively posted here already, but all in all, a good read.
Why does it have 'auburn' in the address? Are we building a church if people read it?
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