[Leftcoast]

You know Publius back when Willin.gham had taken Stanford to a Rose Bowl, a generation of Stanford players had graduated without losing to Ca.l and the Bea.rs were coached by Holmoe some Stanford fans argued that the cycle was broken.

Then Willingham left for Notre Dame, Leland hired Teevens and Harris in quick succession and quick kicks on 3rd down became a viable offensive option.

Stay paranoid and stay hungry.

[Leftcoast]

You know Publius back when Willin.gham had taken Stanford to a Rose Bowl, a generation of Stanford players had graduated without losing to Ca.l and the Bea.rs were coached by Holmoe some Stanford fans argued that the cycle was broken.

Then Willingham left for Notre Dame, Leland hired Teevens and Harris in quick succession and quick kicks on 3rd down became a viable offensive option.

Stay paranoid and stay hungry.

[Leftcoast]

Lastly, an aside to Lefty...  Never assume that BI's public site represents the thinking of rationale UC fans.  That site attracts the fringe element and they are, as a whole, clueless when it comes to UC sports - 71Bear

Having read (rarely) the Bootboard's public page I'm familiar with the phenomenon.  But does the private board or the public board come closest to the mainstream of Ca.l fans on this topic?  Moving Big Game has some pretty big guns from the Ca.l football scene figuratively seeing red (so to speak). 

http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_239...e-big-game

[Leftcoast]

Lastly, an aside to Lefty...  Never assume that BI's public site represents the thinking of rationale UC fans.  That site attracts the fringe element and they are, as a whole, clueless when it comes to UC sports - 71Bear

Having read (rarely) the Bootboard's public page I'm familiar with the phenomenon.  But does the private board or the public board come closest to the mainstream of Ca.l fans on this topic?  Moving Big Game has some pretty big guns from the Ca.l football scene figuratively seeing red (so to speak). 

http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_239...e-big-game

[Farm93]

I love the Merc's sentence..
For many Cal fans, this is the latest indication that Cal's athletic administration cares only about the bottom line.

Really??

I guess they could care about the bottom line while still being very comfortable with their bottom line's multi-million dollar red numbers.  Their alums may hate seeing red, but it seems their AD is very fond of it.

[Farm93]

I love the Merc's sentence..
For many Cal fans, this is the latest indication that Cal's athletic administration cares only about the bottom line.

Really??

I guess they could care about the bottom line while still being very comfortable with their bottom line's multi-million dollar red numbers.  Their alums may hate seeing red, but it seems their AD is very fond of it.

[Ferris_Bueller]

The real reason the 59ers are seeking sanctuary in Santa Clara.

http://www.dailycal.org/2013/08/25/lair-...-rim-fire/

..DC was mistaken.  The evacuated and still in potential harms way Lair of the Bear was reported burned when, funny thing, it was city of berkeley's facility destroyed.  Appreciate your concern.

At this hour the text -- from the same misleading url spelling -- fetches this version of events..

Despite earlier reports from a U.S. Forest Service spokesperson, another Forest Service official has confirmed that there is no indication that the Cal Alumni Association’s Lair of the Golden Bear camp burned down Sunday in the Rim Fire.

Dick Fleishman, an information officer with the U.S. Forest Service, said that the Rim Fire was not in the immediate vicinity of the Lair of the Golden Bear camp but confirmed that a camp in the Yosemite area, the city of Berkeley-operated Tuolumne Camp, was destroyed.

The Rim Fire has been burning in  Stanislaus National Forest since Aug. 17 and covers 134,000 acres [++], according to the U.S. Forest Service. As of Sunday, the fire was 7 percent contained, and more than 2,850 personnel are battling the blaze.

The City of Berkeley ordered the Tuolumne Camp shut down Tuesday because of the fire. Campers and employees at the Lair of the Golden Bear were evacuated Thursday afternoon after a report from the U.S. Forestry Service detailed hazardous air quality, including ash and soot in the air.

[Ferris_Bueller]

The real reason the 59ers are seeking sanctuary in Santa Clara.

http://www.dailycal.org/2013/08/25/lair-...-rim-fire/

..DC was mistaken.  The evacuated and still in potential harms way Lair of the Bear was reported burned when, funny thing, it was city of berkeley's facility destroyed.  Appreciate your concern.

At this hour the text -- from the same misleading url spelling -- fetches this version of events..

Despite earlier reports from a U.S. Forest Service spokesperson, another Forest Service official has confirmed that there is no indication that the Cal Alumni Association’s Lair of the Golden Bear camp burned down Sunday in the Rim Fire.

Dick Fleishman, an information officer with the U.S. Forest Service, said that the Rim Fire was not in the immediate vicinity of the Lair of the Golden Bear camp but confirmed that a camp in the Yosemite area, the city of Berkeley-operated Tuolumne Camp, was destroyed.

The Rim Fire has been burning in  Stanislaus National Forest since Aug. 17 and covers 134,000 acres [++], according to the U.S. Forest Service. As of Sunday, the fire was 7 percent contained, and more than 2,850 personnel are battling the blaze.

The City of Berkeley ordered the Tuolumne Camp shut down Tuesday because of the fire. Campers and employees at the Lair of the Golden Bear were evacuated Thursday afternoon after a report from the U.S. Forestry Service detailed hazardous air quality, including ash and soot in the air.

[71Bear]

Lefty - a couple thoughts...

You mentioned a generation of LSJU players graduating without having lost a Big Game (a string of seven in a row ending in 01).  That was followed by a generation of UC players who graduated without having lost a Big Game when UC reeled off five in a row ending in 06.  That is what I meant by things turning in a hurry.  And yes, things will continue to go back and forth as long as both schools field teams.

As for the opinions expressed on the private board at BI.  Yeah, I think they more accurately reflect the mood of majority of long time fans (but NOT necessarily the thoughts held by the Big Hitters).  No doubt, those are the opinions to which you are referring.

[71Bear]

Lefty - a couple thoughts...

You mentioned a generation of LSJU players graduating without having lost a Big Game (a string of seven in a row ending in 01).  That was followed by a generation of UC players who graduated without having lost a Big Game when UC reeled off five in a row ending in 06.  That is what I meant by things turning in a hurry.  And yes, things will continue to go back and forth as long as both schools field teams.

As for the opinions expressed on the private board at BI.  Yeah, I think they more accurately reflect the mood of majority of long time fans (but NOT necessarily the thoughts held by the Big Hitters).  No doubt, those are the opinions to which you are referring.

[Leftcoast]

Yeah .... I'm sadly aware of both win streaks - Stanford's and Ca.l's. 

While I'm hoping that the Big Game wheel is turning slowly and Stanford's turn at the top lasts a bit longer, the Willingh.am/Teevens/Harris era taught us how quickly fortunes can turn.  I may know the big (game) wheel keeps on turning but like Proud Mary I'm in no hurry to watch it turn.

The heavy hitters I was referring to were the Ca.l folks interviewed in the linked article, Joe Kapp and several ex players.  This one may get politically hard for your AD to push through.

I'm with them on one point - college games should be played on college campuses and when I want to see the Niner's new digs I'll get a pro ticket.  But I'll not join anyone on the ramparts over this.

[Leftcoast]

Yeah .... I'm sadly aware of both win streaks - Stanford's and Ca.l's. 

While I'm hoping that the Big Game wheel is turning slowly and Stanford's turn at the top lasts a bit longer, the Willingh.am/Teevens/Harris era taught us how quickly fortunes can turn.  I may know the big (game) wheel keeps on turning but like Proud Mary I'm in no hurry to watch it turn.

The heavy hitters I was referring to were the Ca.l folks interviewed in the linked article, Joe Kapp and several ex players.  This one may get politically hard for your AD to push through.

I'm with them on one point - college games should be played on college campuses and when I want to see the Niner's new digs I'll get a pro ticket.  But I'll not join anyone on the ramparts over this.

[FarmBoy]

What I find most amusing in those BI threads is the belief expressed by many that the game at Santa Clara stadium shouldn't come on a "Ca'l year". I have no doubt that the exact same posters would be expressing outrage if the rumored date of the game was 2015 and that the neutral site game shouldn't happen in a "Stanford year." There's no supportable logic why doing the neutral site game during a "Ca'l year" is less advantageous to Ca'l than doing it in a "Stanford year." Those folks are just reactionary knuckleheads who will wail and gnash teeth no matter was the proposal.

I also get a chuckle every time someone states stadium downsizing as an issue. Ca'l stadium is what, 20% larger than Stanford even though they have 3X the students and alumni? And they downsized several thousand in the latest renovation? Hello pot, meet kettle. You have a lot in common.

As for the idea itself, while I wouldn't like to take the game off of college campuses in general, it's not like this would be the first time. Weren't the first few played in SF? And the opportunity to "balance the schedule" is attractive to season ticket holders (and the AD.) Part of me thinks that it's short sighted to try to manage the long run schedule of games based on current popularity, but there's not reason to believe that N.otre Dame and Oregon won't continue to be big draws, so putting them opposite BG makes sense.

[FarmBoy]

What I find most amusing in those BI threads is the belief expressed by many that the game at Santa Clara stadium shouldn't come on a "Ca'l year". I have no doubt that the exact same posters would be expressing outrage if the rumored date of the game was 2015 and that the neutral site game shouldn't happen in a "Stanford year." There's no supportable logic why doing the neutral site game during a "Ca'l year" is less advantageous to Ca'l than doing it in a "Stanford year." Those folks are just reactionary knuckleheads who will wail and gnash teeth no matter was the proposal.

I also get a chuckle every time someone states stadium downsizing as an issue. Ca'l stadium is what, 20% larger than Stanford even though they have 3X the students and alumni? And they downsized several thousand in the latest renovation? Hello pot, meet kettle. You have a lot in common.

As for the idea itself, while I wouldn't like to take the game off of college campuses in general, it's not like this would be the first time. Weren't the first few played in SF? And the opportunity to "balance the schedule" is attractive to season ticket holders (and the AD.) Part of me thinks that it's short sighted to try to manage the long run schedule of games based on current popularity, but there's not reason to believe that N.otre Dame and Oregon won't continue to be big draws, so putting them opposite BG makes sense.

[71Bear]

What I find most amusing in those BI threads is the belief expressed by many that the game at Santa Clara stadium shouldn't come on a "Ca'l year". I have no doubt that the exact same posters would be expressing outrage if the rumored date of the game was 2015 and that the neutral site game shouldn't happen in a "Stanford year." There's no supportable logic why doing the neutral site game during a "Ca'l year" is less advantageous to Ca'l than doing it in a "Stanford year." Those folks are just reactionary knuckleheads who will wail and gnash teeth no matter was the proposal.

I also get a chuckle every time someone states stadium downsizing as an issue. Ca'l stadium is what, 20% larger than Stanford even though they have 3X the students and alumni? And they downsized several thousand in the latest renovation? Hello pot, meet kettle. You have a lot in common.

Agree on all points. 

[71Bear]

What I find most amusing in those BI threads is the belief expressed by many that the game at Santa Clara stadium shouldn't come on a "Ca'l year". I have no doubt that the exact same posters would be expressing outrage if the rumored date of the game was 2015 and that the neutral site game shouldn't happen in a "Stanford year." There's no supportable logic why doing the neutral site game during a "Ca'l year" is less advantageous to Ca'l than doing it in a "Stanford year." Those folks are just reactionary knuckleheads who will wail and gnash teeth no matter was the proposal.

I also get a chuckle every time someone states stadium downsizing as an issue. Ca'l stadium is what, 20% larger than Stanford even though they have 3X the students and alumni? And they downsized several thousand in the latest renovation? Hello pot, meet kettle. You have a lot in common.

Agree on all points. 

[jacketree]

Really surprised by the blow back on both sides, particularly from Berkeley.  Both schools want to re-balance their home schedules and this is the easiest way to do it, since it does not involve scheduling with other programs.  To switch the home alternation, somebody has to skip hosting one year. Here C.al skips '14, but at least it is a cool new venue in its inaugural season (and Levi Stadium hosts a Big Game before a Super Bowl), a grand total of 13 miles from Stanford.

Playing off-campus one time isn't going to kill anyone. Lots of griping about the Great America parking lot sans Eucalyptus, but how often do you get to tailgate near the mighty San Tomas Aquino and its super awesome pedestrian/bicycle trail and cool impressionist retaining walls?!! (Shameless work plug.)

I think it is a great idea.

So if you are a C.al student entering in the fall of '14, this is what it was going to be.

Host
Travel to Stanford
Host
Travel to Stanford

What it might be (same difference to me):

Travel to Santa Clara
Host
Travel to Stanford
Host

If you are a Stanford student entering Fall '14, this is what it was going to be:

Travel to Berkeley
Host
Travel to Berkeley
Host

This is what it might be:

Travel to Santa Clara
Travel to Berkeley
Host
Travel to Berkeley

Stanford does sacrifice more in that respect, but they really do want to get more than one marquee game (USC) in the even years. An incoming freshman would be "robbed" of one on-campus Big Game, to be replaced by a twenty minute ride down 101. One advantage to delaying this move until say 2020 or 2025 -- the City of Santa Clara is talking big about some massive entertainment/residential/commercial complex across Tasman Drive, which is currently occupied by the Santa Clara Municipal Golf Course on the old landfill. I've been told it will rival Vegas, but some boosterism may have been involved.  (Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!....)

All the talk about missing out on showing children and grandchildren the old college stomping grounds (at one game ever) is bunk.  Geeze, you can fondly show them that spot you tossed the prairie dog back out onto the lawn during the UCLA game.  The Rose Bowl and Coliseum aren't on college campuses. Somehow the LA schools survive.  One game!

[jacketree]

Really surprised by the blow back on both sides, particularly from Berkeley.  Both schools want to re-balance their home schedules and this is the easiest way to do it, since it does not involve scheduling with other programs.  To switch the home alternation, somebody has to skip hosting one year. Here C.al skips '14, but at least it is a cool new venue in its inaugural season (and Levi Stadium hosts a Big Game before a Super Bowl), a grand total of 13 miles from Stanford.

Playing off-campus one time isn't going to kill anyone. Lots of griping about the Great America parking lot sans Eucalyptus, but how often do you get to tailgate near the mighty San Tomas Aquino and its super awesome pedestrian/bicycle trail and cool impressionist retaining walls?!! (Shameless work plug.)

I think it is a great idea.

So if you are a C.al student entering in the fall of '14, this is what it was going to be.

Host
Travel to Stanford
Host
Travel to Stanford

What it might be (same difference to me):

Travel to Santa Clara
Host
Travel to Stanford
Host

If you are a Stanford student entering Fall '14, this is what it was going to be:

Travel to Berkeley
Host
Travel to Berkeley
Host

This is what it might be:

Travel to Santa Clara
Travel to Berkeley
Host
Travel to Berkeley

Stanford does sacrifice more in that respect, but they really do want to get more than one marquee game (USC) in the even years. An incoming freshman would be "robbed" of one on-campus Big Game, to be replaced by a twenty minute ride down 101. One advantage to delaying this move until say 2020 or 2025 -- the City of Santa Clara is talking big about some massive entertainment/residential/commercial complex across Tasman Drive, which is currently occupied by the Santa Clara Municipal Golf Course on the old landfill. I've been told it will rival Vegas, but some boosterism may have been involved.  (Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!....)

All the talk about missing out on showing children and grandchildren the old college stomping grounds (at one game ever) is bunk.  Geeze, you can fondly show them that spot you tossed the prairie dog back out onto the lawn during the UCLA game.  The Rose Bowl and Coliseum aren't on college campuses. Somehow the LA schools survive.  One game!

[jayasena]

To switch the home alternation, somebody has to skip hosting one year.

No one team is "skipping" a year, right? Or both are "skipping" a year if you want to look at it that way. Cal doesn't get to host as would be customary in 14 but will get 15. Which means we won't get to host it as customary in 15. I don't see the big difference about whose year the neutral venue thing happens in.

Or am I missing something?

[jayasena]

To switch the home alternation, somebody has to skip hosting one year.

No one team is "skipping" a year, right? Or both are "skipping" a year if you want to look at it that way. Cal doesn't get to host as would be customary in 14 but will get 15. Which means we won't get to host it as customary in 15. I don't see the big difference about whose year the neutral venue thing happens in.

Or am I missing something?

[yvonne]

And how will tickets be divided, both in numbers and by location?

I don't know, but it's now possible for both teams to wear their home uniforms without one team losing a timeout.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_b...ing-r.html

[yvonne]

And how will tickets be divided, both in numbers and by location?

I don't know, but it's now possible for both teams to wear their home uniforms without one team losing a timeout.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_b...ing-r.html

[Redrum]

Not a brain scan, but a narrative by a committed Blue guy w/ background on the debate behind the C.al battle lines.

http://calfannotes.jeffwarren.com/2013/0...ne_28.html

[Redrum]

Not a brain scan, but a narrative by a committed Blue guy w/ background on the debate behind the C.al battle lines.

http://calfannotes.jeffwarren.com/2013/0...ne_28.html

[washingtonismoney]

B.ear alum Daniel Kahneman would have some fascinating comments, I'm sure, about the blue-and-gold fans' reaction to this potential deal.

[washingtonismoney]

B.ear alum Daniel Kahneman would have some fascinating comments, I'm sure, about the blue-and-gold fans' reaction to this potential deal.

[yvonne]

Does anyone know whether Jeffery Earl Warren is related to Earl Warren?

[yvonne]

Does anyone know whether Jeffery Earl Warren is related to Earl Warren?

[washingtonismoney]

Barbour follows the example set by her football team and caves: http://www.calbears.com/ViewArticle.dbml...=209243047

[washingtonismoney]

Barbour follows the example set by her football team and caves: http://www.calbears.com/ViewArticle.dbml...=209243047

[Ferris_Bueller]

Does anyone know whether Jeffery Earl Warren is related to Earl Warren?

Jeffery Earl is the grandson of the late chief justice.

that and other background info here: http://ricochet.com/Profile/889885

> He also appeared in the documentary, Super Chief, the story of his Grandfather, the late Chief Justice Earl Warren, which was nominated for an Oscar. 

> Jeffrey served as a trustee for the University of California Foundation and is currently a trustee of the Pacific Legal Foundation, the oldest conservative/libertarian public interest law firm in the United States.
 

[Ferris_Bueller]

Does anyone know whether Jeffery Earl Warren is related to Earl Warren?

Jeffery Earl is the grandson of the late chief justice.

that and other background info here: http://ricochet.com/Profile/889885

> He also appeared in the documentary, Super Chief, the story of his Grandfather, the late Chief Justice Earl Warren, which was nominated for an Oscar. 

> Jeffrey served as a trustee for the University of California Foundation and is currently a trustee of the Pacific Legal Foundation, the oldest conservative/libertarian public interest law firm in the United States.
 

[71Bear]

Just another example of an institution that is beholden to the god of bureaucracy instead of the goddess of creativity...  Oh well.

[71Bear]

Just another example of an institution that is beholden to the god of bureaucracy instead of the goddess of creativity...  Oh well.

[Redrum]

Apparently not going to happen.

http://blog.sfgate.com/cal/2013/08/29/20...-berkeley/

Loved the Barbour quote: "We reached out to a number of our alumni, students, donors and ticket holders, and we received valuable feedback from them. In addition, many other fans expressed their views, and we listened to — and are grateful for — what they told us."

Translated: We got kicked in the a** so hard our great grandparents felt it.  Thank you sir, may I have another?

[Redrum]

Apparently not going to happen.

http://blog.sfgate.com/cal/2013/08/29/20...-berkeley/

Loved the Barbour quote: "We reached out to a number of our alumni, students, donors and ticket holders, and we received valuable feedback from them. In addition, many other fans expressed their views, and we listened to — and are grateful for — what they told us."

Translated: We got kicked in the a** so hard our great grandparents felt it.  Thank you sir, may I have another?

[82lsju]

so how long before the rumors of Big Game 2015 being in Santa Clara?

[82lsju]

so how long before the rumors of Big Game 2015 being in Santa Clara?

[Redrum]

(Sniff)  Some of us have real jobs and can only goof off 75% of the time.

[Redrum]

(Sniff)  Some of us have real jobs and can only goof off 75% of the time.