[Leftcoast]

This columnist from Corvallis puts his spin on last night's game. 

http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beave...f887a.html

There's not much here on Riley's game planning or decision making but there's a lot on how the Beavs deserved to win including a couple of lines guaranteed to pour salt on the Cardinal wounds.    To choose one phrase, "While it felt like the Beavers had the upper hand for most of the game — and, really, they did on defense ....".  Perhaps he should have noticed all the orange clad fans steaming out early, the dominance on both lines by the guys in red and/or the way Stanford coaching took the Beavers out of their downfield comfort zone. 

Still, when you let a team you should beat easily hang with you for 60 minutes then you deserve to hear comments like that.

[Leftcoast]

This columnist from Corvallis puts his spin on last night's game. 

http://www.gazettetimes.com/sports/beave...f887a.html

There's not much here on Riley's game planning or decision making but there's a lot on how the Beavs deserved to win including a couple of lines guaranteed to pour salt on the Cardinal wounds.    To choose one phrase, "While it felt like the Beavers had the upper hand for most of the game — and, really, they did on defense ....".  Perhaps he should have noticed all the orange clad fans steaming out early, the dominance on both lines by the guys in red and/or the way Stanford coaching took the Beavers out of their downfield comfort zone. 

Still, when you let a team you should beat easily hang with you for 60 minutes then you deserve to hear comments like that.

[pincemob]

I don't blame their fans for leaving.  It was 38 degrees and 10:30 p.m.  That game should have been at 12:30.  It would have been 60+ degrees and the ratings opposite the SEC snoozer-of-the-week would have been good.  After our game I flipped over to San Diego State vs. Fresno.  My first thought was this is the perfect game for this time-slot, not half the Pac 12 slate. 

[pincemob]

I don't blame their fans for leaving.  It was 38 degrees and 10:30 p.m.  That game should have been at 12:30.  It would have been 60+ degrees and the ratings opposite the SEC snoozer-of-the-week would have been good.  After our game I flipped over to San Diego State vs. Fresno.  My first thought was this is the perfect game for this time-slot, not half the Pac 12 slate. 

[JeffInCorvallis]

There's just no reason why games in late October and November in Oregon and Washington should kick off after 4pm.  In the middle of the afternoon yesterday it was overcast and 55F here.  Nice weather for a football game.

A few decent sustained drives by our offense that chew up some clock and maybe score a field goal and this game is put away.  As it was, it was a real gem by the defense, holding a team that's been averaging 45 to 12 points after the offense put them in bad field position several times.  Much work to do on offense, however.

Kelsey Young:  if this guy is such a stud, should't we have more than one play designed to get him the ball?

[JeffInCorvallis]

There's just no reason why games in late October and November in Oregon and Washington should kick off after 4pm.  In the middle of the afternoon yesterday it was overcast and 55F here.  Nice weather for a football game.

A few decent sustained drives by our offense that chew up some clock and maybe score a field goal and this game is put away.  As it was, it was a real gem by the defense, holding a team that's been averaging 45 to 12 points after the offense put them in bad field position several times.  Much work to do on offense, however.

Kelsey Young:  if this guy is such a stud, should't we have more than one play designed to get him the ball?

[JeffInCorvallis]

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[washingtonismoney]

Kelsey Young:  if this guy is such a stud, should't we have more than one play designed to get him the ball?

Technically, two (there was that little tunnel screen as well.) Still, it's the most bizarre thing. I rewatched the Pac-12 championship game, and we were pretty creative then about ways to get Young the ball. For some reason that's gone astray, presumably so we can target converted defensive ends on critical third downs.

[washingtonismoney]

Kelsey Young:  if this guy is such a stud, should't we have more than one play designed to get him the ball?

Technically, two (there was that little tunnel screen as well.) Still, it's the most bizarre thing. I rewatched the Pac-12 championship game, and we were pretty creative then about ways to get Young the ball. For some reason that's gone astray, presumably so we can target converted defensive ends on critical third downs.

[oman]

Kelsey Young:  if this guy is such a stud, should't we have more than one play designed to get him the ball?

But that isn't who we are! 

[oman]

Kelsey Young:  if this guy is such a stud, should't we have more than one play designed to get him the ball?

But that isn't who we are! 

[Farm93]

There's just no reason why games in late October and November in Oregon and Washington should kick off after 4pm.  In the middle of the afternoon yesterday it was overcast and 55F here.  Nice weather for a football game.

It may not be a popular reason, or a good reason, but there is a reason.  It is our TV contract!

FWIW - I have heard a lot of concerns about the games playing too late on the East coast to matter much.  I think that concern is not applicable really.  East Coasters are used to watching games much later into the night than West Coasters.  MNF used to START at 9:07PM and end well after midnight.  Most east coast baseball teams play west coast games that start at 10:30PM Eastern.  It is just different.  To some extent East Coasters gasp at the idea of watching football at 9AM, so it is all relative.

Also, for reporters and the like even if the game is late they can DVR the thing to watch it later.  I know an argument could be made that they could do that with a 1PM Pacific kick too, but TV networks place a greater value on potential content later in the day/night.

The entire conference is better off with the money and most college football players and college students have no problem staying in a stadium until 11PM.  Bay Area movie theatres are packed well after midnight, so there is a potential audience for Pac-12 games.  I recognize it may be a different audience, but it is possible Saturday Night Lights will turn into a Pac-12 recruiting and ratings advantage over time.

If you thought OSU fans were soft, the vast majority of UW fans were long gone well before the UW team scored their 6th TD in that thriller in Seattle last night.  :)

[Farm93]

There's just no reason why games in late October and November in Oregon and Washington should kick off after 4pm.  In the middle of the afternoon yesterday it was overcast and 55F here.  Nice weather for a football game.

It may not be a popular reason, or a good reason, but there is a reason.  It is our TV contract!

FWIW - I have heard a lot of concerns about the games playing too late on the East coast to matter much.  I think that concern is not applicable really.  East Coasters are used to watching games much later into the night than West Coasters.  MNF used to START at 9:07PM and end well after midnight.  Most east coast baseball teams play west coast games that start at 10:30PM Eastern.  It is just different.  To some extent East Coasters gasp at the idea of watching football at 9AM, so it is all relative.

Also, for reporters and the like even if the game is late they can DVR the thing to watch it later.  I know an argument could be made that they could do that with a 1PM Pacific kick too, but TV networks place a greater value on potential content later in the day/night.

The entire conference is better off with the money and most college football players and college students have no problem staying in a stadium until 11PM.  Bay Area movie theatres are packed well after midnight, so there is a potential audience for Pac-12 games.  I recognize it may be a different audience, but it is possible Saturday Night Lights will turn into a Pac-12 recruiting and ratings advantage over time.

If you thought OSU fans were soft, the vast majority of UW fans were long gone well before the UW team scored their 6th TD in that thriller in Seattle last night.  :)

[pincemob]

Farm, thanks for taking the opposing view.  I have some issues with your logic though.  How is the east coast concern "not applicable"?  Your favorite team plays on Monday Night Football once or twice a season, not every week.  The NFL loves money and if it made sense to play half the games at 10pm Eastern, they would.  The Pac 12 is taking the short sighted view that east coasters will watch the first hour where they can cram in the most expensive ads, knowing that most of them will not stay to the end.  Whether the Pac 12 has any east coast fans in 20 years is irrelevant to ESPN since they can just sign another conference. 

Glad you raised the player perspective.  I would be interested in the player perspective, hopefully the schools are interested in it too.  You could be right that some of them like late games though I'd be surprised if they did.  Have you ever taken a jarring hit in 38 degree weather?  It's a lot worse than when it's 68.  There is also the "waiting around all day to play" factor.    The players must be getting back to campus at 4 or 5 am after a game like this weekend's, same for their families.  Doesn't seen great to me. 

I don't think the movie theater comparison is a good one.  You don't have to drive very far to get to a movie theater and a movie is 100 minutes.  Unless you live in the same town as your team, you are driving pretty far to/from a football game and it is not over in 100 minutes.  Nor are movies outside in November. 

As for the students, last I heard, 9pm on Saturday was a popular time for things like parties, formals, and things like that.  And while Stanford kids have a pretty nice walk home from our stadium, I don't know how many kids at USC or UCLA want to be outside their stadiums at midnight looking for a ride.  I think having one late game is cool/novel but I don't imagine the students love it every other week.  From my vantage point, the UCLA game (12:30) was by far the most attended and excited our student section has been all year. 

I have the opposite worry about recruiting: that these game times will backfire.  Fewer east coast high schoolers will see the games, and when they do see them it won't be a sunny, packed Rose Bowl it will be the subpar environments we've been seeing.  I think a big draw of the Pac 12 (at least in California) is the weather and people will see less and less of that.  ESPN does not have the same incentives that the schools do because long-term fan support is irrelevant to them.  I see no silver lining to this deal, honestly. 

[pincemob]

Farm, thanks for taking the opposing view.  I have some issues with your logic though.  How is the east coast concern "not applicable"?  Your favorite team plays on Monday Night Football once or twice a season, not every week.  The NFL loves money and if it made sense to play half the games at 10pm Eastern, they would.  The Pac 12 is taking the short sighted view that east coasters will watch the first hour where they can cram in the most expensive ads, knowing that most of them will not stay to the end.  Whether the Pac 12 has any east coast fans in 20 years is irrelevant to ESPN since they can just sign another conference. 

Glad you raised the player perspective.  I would be interested in the player perspective, hopefully the schools are interested in it too.  You could be right that some of them like late games though I'd be surprised if they did.  Have you ever taken a jarring hit in 38 degree weather?  It's a lot worse than when it's 68.  There is also the "waiting around all day to play" factor.    The players must be getting back to campus at 4 or 5 am after a game like this weekend's, same for their families.  Doesn't seen great to me. 

I don't think the movie theater comparison is a good one.  You don't have to drive very far to get to a movie theater and a movie is 100 minutes.  Unless you live in the same town as your team, you are driving pretty far to/from a football game and it is not over in 100 minutes.  Nor are movies outside in November. 

As for the students, last I heard, 9pm on Saturday was a popular time for things like parties, formals, and things like that.  And while Stanford kids have a pretty nice walk home from our stadium, I don't know how many kids at USC or UCLA want to be outside their stadiums at midnight looking for a ride.  I think having one late game is cool/novel but I don't imagine the students love it every other week.  From my vantage point, the UCLA game (12:30) was by far the most attended and excited our student section has been all year. 

I have the opposite worry about recruiting: that these game times will backfire.  Fewer east coast high schoolers will see the games, and when they do see them it won't be a sunny, packed Rose Bowl it will be the subpar environments we've been seeing.  I think a big draw of the Pac 12 (at least in California) is the weather and people will see less and less of that.  ESPN does not have the same incentives that the schools do because long-term fan support is irrelevant to them.  I see no silver lining to this deal, honestly. 

[JeffInCorvallis]

[quote author=JeffInCorvallis link=topic=8694.msg72810#msg72810 date=1382906994]
There's just no reason why games in late October and November in Oregon and Washington should kick off after 4pm.  In the middle of the afternoon yesterday it was overcast and 55F here.  Nice weather for a football game.

It may not be a popular reason, or a good reason, but there is a reason.  It is our TV contract!

[/quote]

Yes, I know all about the TV contract and the gajillion dollars the conference makes to hire more coaches and build new football offices.  I'm one of the people ponying up the money for those Rose Bowl tickets and OSU tickets and UO tickets, so I'm part of the problem, too.  I just hope we haven't sold out our soul in pursuit of the almighty dollar.  This is supposed to be fun for college kids in between classes.  :)

[JeffInCorvallis]

[quote author=JeffInCorvallis link=topic=8694.msg72810#msg72810 date=1382906994]
There's just no reason why games in late October and November in Oregon and Washington should kick off after 4pm.  In the middle of the afternoon yesterday it was overcast and 55F here.  Nice weather for a football game.

It may not be a popular reason, or a good reason, but there is a reason.  It is our TV contract!

[/quote]

Yes, I know all about the TV contract and the gajillion dollars the conference makes to hire more coaches and build new football offices.  I'm one of the people ponying up the money for those Rose Bowl tickets and OSU tickets and UO tickets, so I'm part of the problem, too.  I just hope we haven't sold out our soul in pursuit of the almighty dollar.  This is supposed to be fun for college kids in between classes.  :)

[fullmetal]

The late games are terrible for alumni game-watching party attendance.  Alumni can just stay home and watch games rather than coming out late and sacrificing their Saturday nights until after midnight for the game.  Or they might just skip the game and go hang out with friends for the night.  Families can't come out for late game-watching parties either.

[fullmetal]

The late games are terrible for alumni game-watching party attendance.  Alumni can just stay home and watch games rather than coming out late and sacrificing their Saturday nights until after midnight for the game.  Or they might just skip the game and go hang out with friends for the night.  Families can't come out for late game-watching parties either.