11-13-2013, 10:52 AM
According to ESPN's Championship Drive Ratings: http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...title-shot
Stanford's résumé deserving of title shot
According to ESPN's Championship Drive Ratings: http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...title-shot
11-13-2013, 10:54 AM
Who thinks we will be hearing ESPN's talking heads scream "BODY OF WORK" in support of Stanford on the BCS shows?
Who thinks we will be hearing ESPN's talking heads scream "BODY OF WORK" in support of Stanford on the BCS shows?
11-13-2013, 11:02 AM
(11-13-2013, 10:54 AM)Renaissance Man link Wrote:Who thinks we will be hearing ESPN's talking heads scream "BODY OF WORK" in support of Stanford on the BCS shows?
Are you the one who posted that comment on the article?
Regardless, of course it's unlikely. Everyone knows that 1-loss teams don't jump AQ conference undefeated teams, regardless of the circumstances. I think that if there's only one undefeated team then we'll be touted as most deserving based on resume.
(11-13-2013, 10:54 AM)Renaissance Man link Wrote:Who thinks we will be hearing ESPN's talking heads scream "BODY OF WORK" in support of Stanford on the BCS shows?
Are you the one who posted that comment on the article?
Regardless, of course it's unlikely. Everyone knows that 1-loss teams don't jump AQ conference undefeated teams, regardless of the circumstances. I think that if there's only one undefeated team then we'll be touted as most deserving based on resume.
11-13-2013, 11:16 AM
Right. A zero percent chance of Stanford finishing ahead of a non-Big East AQ conference undefeated team for a championship spot. (I could see Stanford finishing ahead of an undefeated team if that doesn't deny said team a NCG berth -- e.g. if it were unbeaten bama versus unbeaten FSU, with Stanford in third and Baylor fourth or something.)
However, if it's a one loss team situation, I have no idea what will happen -- the factor used to separate teams will be arbitrary. For example, David Pollack's UTAH IS AWFUL AND STANFORD SUCKS HERP DERP argument might end up dominating the bloodstream. On the other hand, it might be quality wins. Or it could be something like, "Alabama is undefeated and Stanford's uniforms are too similar, so let's take Baylor so as not to confuse the viewing audiences." Speaking objectively, it's hard to figure out a single right factor to separate approximately equal teams, which is why there's been so much support for a playoff all these years. Who knows.
But that still minimizes the winning-out task, which is more difficult than we give it credit for. I would not at all be surprised by a regular-season or Pac-12 CCG loss.
EDIT: just to follow up. I prefer yards per play -- and specifically margin between gained and given up -- as a quick heuristic stat to summarize the strength of the team. Since Kiff was fired, SC's been averaging a 1.67 yards per play gap -- which is gigantic, national-title contender stuff. That's obviously quite biased, however, from getting to play our dear friends the 59ers. So if you discount that completely, SC's only gained a yard per play more than given up -- about 6.04 to 5.04. In 2012, our team only averaged about .7 yards per play more. So SC is playing quite well, although to be fair they haven't played one of the elite Pac-12 teams post-Kiffin. Still, they soundly beat both Utah and Oregon State, which are solid Pac-12 team, and played even with N.D. on the road.
But I think the stats are a bit deceptive in another way: the state of injuries. SC is still banged up but it's not in the crisis situation it was previously. Lee is reportedly healthy. Agholor is healthy. Neither of these guys were fully healthy post-Kiff, IIRC. So these stats might understate their strength.
I expect Stanford to dominate SC's offensive line. It's our OL versus SC's defensive front that holds the key to the game. Our OL has struggled this year on the road, for one. For another, our team has found it relatively difficult to run the ball on two teams: the one that employs Tosh Lupoi, and Ed Orgeron's Tr.ojans. If SC can stalemate or better with our OL, our offense runs into a lot of problems, because suddenly Hogan has to carry the team. He's only really been successful at doing this early in the season -- against WSU and against ASU. SC's secondary doesn't impress me, but it's not a bet I'm interested in.
However, if it's a one loss team situation, I have no idea what will happen -- the factor used to separate teams will be arbitrary. For example, David Pollack's UTAH IS AWFUL AND STANFORD SUCKS HERP DERP argument might end up dominating the bloodstream. On the other hand, it might be quality wins. Or it could be something like, "Alabama is undefeated and Stanford's uniforms are too similar, so let's take Baylor so as not to confuse the viewing audiences." Speaking objectively, it's hard to figure out a single right factor to separate approximately equal teams, which is why there's been so much support for a playoff all these years. Who knows.
But that still minimizes the winning-out task, which is more difficult than we give it credit for. I would not at all be surprised by a regular-season or Pac-12 CCG loss.
EDIT: just to follow up. I prefer yards per play -- and specifically margin between gained and given up -- as a quick heuristic stat to summarize the strength of the team. Since Kiff was fired, SC's been averaging a 1.67 yards per play gap -- which is gigantic, national-title contender stuff. That's obviously quite biased, however, from getting to play our dear friends the 59ers. So if you discount that completely, SC's only gained a yard per play more than given up -- about 6.04 to 5.04. In 2012, our team only averaged about .7 yards per play more. So SC is playing quite well, although to be fair they haven't played one of the elite Pac-12 teams post-Kiffin. Still, they soundly beat both Utah and Oregon State, which are solid Pac-12 team, and played even with N.D. on the road.
But I think the stats are a bit deceptive in another way: the state of injuries. SC is still banged up but it's not in the crisis situation it was previously. Lee is reportedly healthy. Agholor is healthy. Neither of these guys were fully healthy post-Kiff, IIRC. So these stats might understate their strength.
I expect Stanford to dominate SC's offensive line. It's our OL versus SC's defensive front that holds the key to the game. Our OL has struggled this year on the road, for one. For another, our team has found it relatively difficult to run the ball on two teams: the one that employs Tosh Lupoi, and Ed Orgeron's Tr.ojans. If SC can stalemate or better with our OL, our offense runs into a lot of problems, because suddenly Hogan has to carry the team. He's only really been successful at doing this early in the season -- against WSU and against ASU. SC's secondary doesn't impress me, but it's not a bet I'm interested in.
Right. A zero percent chance of Stanford finishing ahead of a non-Big East AQ conference undefeated team for a championship spot. (I could see Stanford finishing ahead of an undefeated team if that doesn't deny said team a NCG berth -- e.g. if it were unbeaten bama versus unbeaten FSU, with Stanford in third and Baylor fourth or something.)
However, if it's a one loss team situation, I have no idea what will happen -- the factor used to separate teams will be arbitrary. For example, David Pollack's UTAH IS AWFUL AND STANFORD SUCKS HERP DERP argument might end up dominating the bloodstream. On the other hand, it might be quality wins. Or it could be something like, "Alabama is undefeated and Stanford's uniforms are too similar, so let's take Baylor so as not to confuse the viewing audiences." Speaking objectively, it's hard to figure out a single right factor to separate approximately equal teams, which is why there's been so much support for a playoff all these years. Who knows.
But that still minimizes the winning-out task, which is more difficult than we give it credit for. I would not at all be surprised by a regular-season or Pac-12 CCG loss.
EDIT: just to follow up. I prefer yards per play -- and specifically margin between gained and given up -- as a quick heuristic stat to summarize the strength of the team. Since Kiff was fired, SC's been averaging a 1.67 yards per play gap -- which is gigantic, national-title contender stuff. That's obviously quite biased, however, from getting to play our dear friends the 59ers. So if you discount that completely, SC's only gained a yard per play more than given up -- about 6.04 to 5.04. In 2012, our team only averaged about .7 yards per play more. So SC is playing quite well, although to be fair they haven't played one of the elite Pac-12 teams post-Kiffin. Still, they soundly beat both Utah and Oregon State, which are solid Pac-12 team, and played even with N.D. on the road.
But I think the stats are a bit deceptive in another way: the state of injuries. SC is still banged up but it's not in the crisis situation it was previously. Lee is reportedly healthy. Agholor is healthy. Neither of these guys were fully healthy post-Kiff, IIRC. So these stats might understate their strength.
I expect Stanford to dominate SC's offensive line. It's our OL versus SC's defensive front that holds the key to the game. Our OL has struggled this year on the road, for one. For another, our team has found it relatively difficult to run the ball on two teams: the one that employs Tosh Lupoi, and Ed Orgeron's Tr.ojans. If SC can stalemate or better with our OL, our offense runs into a lot of problems, because suddenly Hogan has to carry the team. He's only really been successful at doing this early in the season -- against WSU and against ASU. SC's secondary doesn't impress me, but it's not a bet I'm interested in.
However, if it's a one loss team situation, I have no idea what will happen -- the factor used to separate teams will be arbitrary. For example, David Pollack's UTAH IS AWFUL AND STANFORD SUCKS HERP DERP argument might end up dominating the bloodstream. On the other hand, it might be quality wins. Or it could be something like, "Alabama is undefeated and Stanford's uniforms are too similar, so let's take Baylor so as not to confuse the viewing audiences." Speaking objectively, it's hard to figure out a single right factor to separate approximately equal teams, which is why there's been so much support for a playoff all these years. Who knows.
But that still minimizes the winning-out task, which is more difficult than we give it credit for. I would not at all be surprised by a regular-season or Pac-12 CCG loss.
EDIT: just to follow up. I prefer yards per play -- and specifically margin between gained and given up -- as a quick heuristic stat to summarize the strength of the team. Since Kiff was fired, SC's been averaging a 1.67 yards per play gap -- which is gigantic, national-title contender stuff. That's obviously quite biased, however, from getting to play our dear friends the 59ers. So if you discount that completely, SC's only gained a yard per play more than given up -- about 6.04 to 5.04. In 2012, our team only averaged about .7 yards per play more. So SC is playing quite well, although to be fair they haven't played one of the elite Pac-12 teams post-Kiffin. Still, they soundly beat both Utah and Oregon State, which are solid Pac-12 team, and played even with N.D. on the road.
But I think the stats are a bit deceptive in another way: the state of injuries. SC is still banged up but it's not in the crisis situation it was previously. Lee is reportedly healthy. Agholor is healthy. Neither of these guys were fully healthy post-Kiff, IIRC. So these stats might understate their strength.
I expect Stanford to dominate SC's offensive line. It's our OL versus SC's defensive front that holds the key to the game. Our OL has struggled this year on the road, for one. For another, our team has found it relatively difficult to run the ball on two teams: the one that employs Tosh Lupoi, and Ed Orgeron's Tr.ojans. If SC can stalemate or better with our OL, our offense runs into a lot of problems, because suddenly Hogan has to carry the team. He's only really been successful at doing this early in the season -- against WSU and against ASU. SC's secondary doesn't impress me, but it's not a bet I'm interested in.
11-13-2013, 11:30 AM
(11-13-2013, 11:16 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:But that still minimizes the winning-out task, which is more difficult than we give it credit for. I would not at all be surprised by a regular-season or Pac-12 CCG loss.
Neither would I, though I think this weekend is the biggest hump. If we win on Saturday then every other game would be at home, which seems to be a pretty big advantage for this team.
(11-13-2013, 11:16 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:But that still minimizes the winning-out task, which is more difficult than we give it credit for. I would not at all be surprised by a regular-season or Pac-12 CCG loss.
Neither would I, though I think this weekend is the biggest hump. If we win on Saturday then every other game would be at home, which seems to be a pretty big advantage for this team.
(11-13-2013, 11:29 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Do people think we would jump a 1-loss 'Bama?
It depends. If Auburn beats them and denies them the SECCG, then almost certainly. Their SOS is shitty enough without a loss to one of the only good teams they play. If they lose in the SECCG then who knows? That would be a real crapshoot.
(11-13-2013, 11:29 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Do people think we would jump a 1-loss 'Bama?
It depends. If Auburn beats them and denies them the SECCG, then almost certainly. Their SOS is shitty enough without a loss to one of the only good teams they play. If they lose in the SECCG then who knows? That would be a real crapshoot.
11-13-2013, 12:02 PM
(11-13-2013, 11:02 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=Renaissance Man link=topic=8835.msg74497#msg74497 date=1384365295]Who thinks we will be hearing ESPN's talking heads scream "BODY OF WORK" in support of Stanford on the BCS shows?
Are you the one who posted that comment on the article?
Regardless, of course it's unlikely. Everyone knows that 1-loss teams don't jump AQ conference undefeated teams, regardless of the circumstances. I think that if there's only one undefeated team then we'll be touted as most deserving based on resume.
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That was me--the distance between the "body of work" arguments and reality over the years has been staggering. It would be nice to see the ESPN BCS "specialists" quoting their own network's research in this case.
(11-13-2013, 11:02 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=Renaissance Man link=topic=8835.msg74497#msg74497 date=1384365295]Who thinks we will be hearing ESPN's talking heads scream "BODY OF WORK" in support of Stanford on the BCS shows?
Are you the one who posted that comment on the article?
Regardless, of course it's unlikely. Everyone knows that 1-loss teams don't jump AQ conference undefeated teams, regardless of the circumstances. I think that if there's only one undefeated team then we'll be touted as most deserving based on resume.
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That was me--the distance between the "body of work" arguments and reality over the years has been staggering. It would be nice to see the ESPN BCS "specialists" quoting their own network's research in this case.
11-13-2013, 12:41 PM
(11-13-2013, 11:29 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Do people think we would jump a 1-loss 'Bama?
If the loss prevents Bama from winning the SEC, the argument about a team that couldn't win its conference not belonging in the NCG would favor us. But if Bama's loss is to Auburn and Auburn wins the SEC, I can easily see them being ranked ahead of us (at least in the human polls).
None of this matters unless we win our conference. And that's something we do have control over. Beat SC... and Cal... and whoever the South serves up!
(11-13-2013, 11:29 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Do people think we would jump a 1-loss 'Bama?
If the loss prevents Bama from winning the SEC, the argument about a team that couldn't win its conference not belonging in the NCG would favor us. But if Bama's loss is to Auburn and Auburn wins the SEC, I can easily see them being ranked ahead of us (at least in the human polls).
None of this matters unless we win our conference. And that's something we do have control over. Beat SC... and Cal... and whoever the South serves up!
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11-13-2013, 02:31 PM
Quote:Everyone knows that 1-loss teams don't jump AQ conference undefeated teams, regardless of the circumstances.
If there was ever a time to reconsider this, now would be the time. The best teams in the Big 12 are now in the SEC (A&M and Missouri). Take Stanford and Oregon out of the Pac 12 and tell me Washington deserves a title shot. Please, Baylor.Â
I'd be curious to see how Florida State's 2013 schedule compares with Utah's 2008 schedule. Utah 2008 played (a subpar) Michigan on the road, but also beat a 9-3 Oregon State, 11-1 TCU, 10-2 BYU. TCU finished the year ranked #7, Oregon State #18, and BYU #25. That's 3 ranked wins. FSU will have beaten Clemson. That's it. Utah was jumped by several 1-loss teams including Florida and Oklahoma who played for the title, while Utah waxed Alabama.
Quote:Everyone knows that 1-loss teams don't jump AQ conference undefeated teams, regardless of the circumstances.
If there was ever a time to reconsider this, now would be the time. The best teams in the Big 12 are now in the SEC (A&M and Missouri). Take Stanford and Oregon out of the Pac 12 and tell me Washington deserves a title shot. Please, Baylor.Â
I'd be curious to see how Florida State's 2013 schedule compares with Utah's 2008 schedule. Utah 2008 played (a subpar) Michigan on the road, but also beat a 9-3 Oregon State, 11-1 TCU, 10-2 BYU. TCU finished the year ranked #7, Oregon State #18, and BYU #25. That's 3 ranked wins. FSU will have beaten Clemson. That's it. Utah was jumped by several 1-loss teams including Florida and Oklahoma who played for the title, while Utah waxed Alabama.
11-13-2013, 02:53 PM
(11-13-2013, 11:29 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Do people think we would jump a 1-loss 'Bama?
No chance. It's possible to see how a one-loss Missouri or Auburn could jump a 1-loss Bama, though I highly doubt either of those teams will finish the season with one loss. It's impossible for me to see Stanford jumping ahead of a one-loss SEC team, though.
In that scenario, I'd expect the conventional wisdom on ESPN to become: "Tie goes to the conference that's won seven straight national titles."
(11-13-2013, 11:29 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Do people think we would jump a 1-loss 'Bama?
No chance. It's possible to see how a one-loss Missouri or Auburn could jump a 1-loss Bama, though I highly doubt either of those teams will finish the season with one loss. It's impossible for me to see Stanford jumping ahead of a one-loss SEC team, though.
In that scenario, I'd expect the conventional wisdom on ESPN to become: "Tie goes to the conference that's won seven straight national titles."
11-13-2013, 03:01 PM
(11-13-2013, 02:53 PM)97fan link Wrote:No chance. It's possible to see how a one-loss Missouri or Auburn could jump a 1-loss Bama, though I highly doubt either of those teams will finish the season with one loss. It's impossible for me to see Stanford jumping ahead of a one-loss SEC team, though.
In that scenario, I'd expect the conventional wisdom on ESPN to become: "Tie goes to the conference that's won seven straight national titles."
The talking heads on ESPN have precisely 0 influence on this outcome. The coaches sure don't listen to them, neither do the computers. The Harris poll? Maybe.
If Alabama loses they'll be behind us. The computers will put us ahead of them and enough voters will drop them behind us that we'll move up. The problem is that we need Baylor and OSU to lose, oh and also we need to win our next 4 games. That combination of events just isn't very likely.
(11-13-2013, 02:53 PM)97fan link Wrote:No chance. It's possible to see how a one-loss Missouri or Auburn could jump a 1-loss Bama, though I highly doubt either of those teams will finish the season with one loss. It's impossible for me to see Stanford jumping ahead of a one-loss SEC team, though.
In that scenario, I'd expect the conventional wisdom on ESPN to become: "Tie goes to the conference that's won seven straight national titles."
The talking heads on ESPN have precisely 0 influence on this outcome. The coaches sure don't listen to them, neither do the computers. The Harris poll? Maybe.
If Alabama loses they'll be behind us. The computers will put us ahead of them and enough voters will drop them behind us that we'll move up. The problem is that we need Baylor and OSU to lose, oh and also we need to win our next 4 games. That combination of events just isn't very likely.
11-13-2013, 03:39 PM
I thought so as well, but if Alabama loses and misses the SEC CG, I can see it. I think a lot of national voters wouldn't vote for a non conference champion. We'd probably trail in the polls by a little bit, but I think the computers would favor us. Would be close.
11-13-2013, 06:00 PM
(11-13-2013, 03:01 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:The talking heads on ESPN have precisely 0 influence on this outcome. The coaches sure don't listen to them, neither do the computers. The Harris poll? Maybe.
If Alabama loses they'll be behind us. The computers will put us ahead of them and enough voters will drop them behind us that we'll move up. The problem is that we need Baylor and OSU to lose, oh and also we need to win our next 4 games. That combination of events just isn't very likely.
ESPN reflects, but to a large degree also establishes, the conventional wisdom of the college football world. And coaches who have a vote -- or the sports information directors who fill out the ballot for them -- will be influenced by the conventional wisdom in the same way that everyone else will.
But regardless of ESPN's role, I just don't see how Stanford would be able to overcome the irrational-but-still-powerful idea that Alabama, like a heavyweight champion, should get a chance to defend its title. To a large degree this is because they've won the championship two years in a row, and three out of the last four. Of course this is an unfair way to look at the situation, but it will shape people's perceptions.
There's certainly precedent for a one-loss team that didn't even play in its conference championship game getting a shot at the national title. It happened in 2011. Alabama was the team. And they won the title game. None of which would be forgotten in a scenario in which voters are comparing a one-loss Stanford to a one-loss Alabama.
(11-13-2013, 03:01 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:The talking heads on ESPN have precisely 0 influence on this outcome. The coaches sure don't listen to them, neither do the computers. The Harris poll? Maybe.
If Alabama loses they'll be behind us. The computers will put us ahead of them and enough voters will drop them behind us that we'll move up. The problem is that we need Baylor and OSU to lose, oh and also we need to win our next 4 games. That combination of events just isn't very likely.
ESPN reflects, but to a large degree also establishes, the conventional wisdom of the college football world. And coaches who have a vote -- or the sports information directors who fill out the ballot for them -- will be influenced by the conventional wisdom in the same way that everyone else will.
But regardless of ESPN's role, I just don't see how Stanford would be able to overcome the irrational-but-still-powerful idea that Alabama, like a heavyweight champion, should get a chance to defend its title. To a large degree this is because they've won the championship two years in a row, and three out of the last four. Of course this is an unfair way to look at the situation, but it will shape people's perceptions.
There's certainly precedent for a one-loss team that didn't even play in its conference championship game getting a shot at the national title. It happened in 2011. Alabama was the team. And they won the title game. None of which would be forgotten in a scenario in which voters are comparing a one-loss Stanford to a one-loss Alabama.
11-13-2013, 06:10 PM
In 2011 the other 1-loss teams were each pretty deeply flawed, and, more importantly, lost after Alabama did. People in this thread really aren't paying enough attention to the fact that we lost early, and it's always better to lose early than late.
11-13-2013, 06:13 PM
(11-13-2013, 06:10 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:In 2011 the other 1-loss teams were each pretty deeply flawed, and, more importantly, lost after Alabama did. People in this thread really aren't paying enough attention to the fact that we lost early, and it's always better to lose early than late.
Let's just hope we don't lose early AND late... Go Cardinal! Beat the Tr.ojans!
(11-13-2013, 06:10 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:In 2011 the other 1-loss teams were each pretty deeply flawed, and, more importantly, lost after Alabama did. People in this thread really aren't paying enough attention to the fact that we lost early, and it's always better to lose early than late.
Let's just hope we don't lose early AND late... Go Cardinal! Beat the Tr.ojans!
11-13-2013, 06:21 PM
I think Stanford has to hope for both a Baylor and Ohio State Loss, then either a victory for the SEC East over either Alabama or Auburn (from the SEC west). This would either be Georgia, South Carolina, or Missouri (if Missouri were to lose again). If Missouri were to not lose again (meaning they finish the season beating Johnny Manziel/Texas A&M and Alabama in the SECCG) they would most certainly go to the national title game over us against Florida State. Key takeaway is any 1 loss SEC champion will go ahead of us for sure. I do think we would go ahead of Alabama if for example they lost to Auburn and did not go to the SECCG, but the SEC champion came from the East and had two losses as then everyone in the SEC would have two losses except for Alabama, however they would not have won their conference.Â
Key Games
Baylor to lose to OSU, Texas Tech, TCU, or Texas (seems certainly possible)
OSU to lose to Illinois, Indiana, @Michigan, or ?Michigan State in Big 10 title game
Missouri loses to Texas A&M
Winner of SEC East (Missouri/South Carolina/Georgia) beats winner of Alabama/Auburn Game
If all of those things happen, and we somehow manage to get out of the Coliseum with a victory, which I am incredibly nervous about, it could definitely happen. Crazier things have happened.
Key Games
Baylor to lose to OSU, Texas Tech, TCU, or Texas (seems certainly possible)
OSU to lose to Illinois, Indiana, @Michigan, or ?Michigan State in Big 10 title game
Missouri loses to Texas A&M
Winner of SEC East (Missouri/South Carolina/Georgia) beats winner of Alabama/Auburn Game
If all of those things happen, and we somehow manage to get out of the Coliseum with a victory, which I am incredibly nervous about, it could definitely happen. Crazier things have happened.
I think Stanford has to hope for both a Baylor and Ohio State Loss, then either a victory for the SEC East over either Alabama or Auburn (from the SEC west). This would either be Georgia, South Carolina, or Missouri (if Missouri were to lose again). If Missouri were to not lose again (meaning they finish the season beating Johnny Manziel/Texas A&M and Alabama in the SECCG) they would most certainly go to the national title game over us against Florida State. Key takeaway is any 1 loss SEC champion will go ahead of us for sure. I do think we would go ahead of Alabama if for example they lost to Auburn and did not go to the SECCG, but the SEC champion came from the East and had two losses as then everyone in the SEC would have two losses except for Alabama, however they would not have won their conference.Â
Key Games
Baylor to lose to OSU, Texas Tech, TCU, or Texas (seems certainly possible)
OSU to lose to Illinois, Indiana, @Michigan, or ?Michigan State in Big 10 title game
Missouri loses to Texas A&M
Winner of SEC East (Missouri/South Carolina/Georgia) beats winner of Alabama/Auburn Game
If all of those things happen, and we somehow manage to get out of the Coliseum with a victory, which I am incredibly nervous about, it could definitely happen. Crazier things have happened.
Key Games
Baylor to lose to OSU, Texas Tech, TCU, or Texas (seems certainly possible)
OSU to lose to Illinois, Indiana, @Michigan, or ?Michigan State in Big 10 title game
Missouri loses to Texas A&M
Winner of SEC East (Missouri/South Carolina/Georgia) beats winner of Alabama/Auburn Game
If all of those things happen, and we somehow manage to get out of the Coliseum with a victory, which I am incredibly nervous about, it could definitely happen. Crazier things have happened.
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11-13-2013, 06:33 PM
We have a decent shot against a 1-loss SEC champion. Our computer rankings are very good and will continue to be very good if we win out. I think an undefeated Baylor passes us (their computer rankings will go up if they finish undefeated). I have a hunch an undefeated OSU beats us out as well.
We have a decent shot against a 1-loss SEC champion. Our computer rankings are very good and will continue to be very good if we win out. I think an undefeated Baylor passes us (their computer rankings will go up if they finish undefeated). I have a hunch an undefeated OSU beats us out as well.
11-13-2013, 06:35 PM
All this talk about the BCS championship game has me feeling like we're going to end up like Oregon's "We Want Bama" fans. We've got three more opponents, the toughest of which is this weekend, before we can even think of the Pac-12 championship, IMHO.
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