12-02-2013, 06:39 AM
complete garbage targeting call.
why can't they pick up the flag in college like in NFL? seems dumb and old-fashioned
why can't they pick up the flag in college like in NFL? seems dumb and old-fashioned
Final: Stanford 27, No.tre Dame 20
12-02-2013, 07:09 AM
This is what I don't understand. I have seen college games where the flag came out and after discussion among the refs, they announce, "There is no foul." So why could they not do that after the bogus targeting call that the replay showed wasn't even a foul? Could Shaw have challenged it?
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
This is what I don't understand. I have seen college games where the flag came out and after discussion among the refs, they announce, "There is no foul." So why could they not do that after the bogus targeting call that the replay showed wasn't even a foul? Could Shaw have challenged it?
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
12-02-2013, 07:20 AM
(12-02-2013, 07:09 AM)Kathy link Wrote:This is what I don't understand. I have seen college games where the flag came out and after discussion among the refs, they announce, "There is no foul." So why could they not do that after the bogus targeting call that the replay showed wasn't even a foul? Could Shaw have challenged it?
I wondered this myself...after very superficial research it appears that refs can pick up a flag, but replay officials don't have that power. Apparently, they (not sure who I'm talking about here - the relevant powers that be) want a clear separation of the officials on the field and the replay official.
A quote from one article I found: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/..._gray.html
Quote:When ejections occur, a team gets penalized 15 yards for a play that really may not be a penalty. Under the new rule, replay officials can overturn an ejection but not pick up the flag.
"It's a tough call because you really could have a penalty that's separate and apart (from targeting)," SEC Commissioner Mike Slive said. "What you'd be asking a replay official to do is make a game-official decision. We've put an iron wall between the replay official and the officials on the field. There's no time when he could be considered another official, and we want to maintain that. Whether or not this particular issue requires crossing into that bright line is something the rules committee will have to consider."
Why not make the replay official "another official"?
(12-02-2013, 07:09 AM)Kathy link Wrote:This is what I don't understand. I have seen college games where the flag came out and after discussion among the refs, they announce, "There is no foul." So why could they not do that after the bogus targeting call that the replay showed wasn't even a foul? Could Shaw have challenged it?
I wondered this myself...after very superficial research it appears that refs can pick up a flag, but replay officials don't have that power. Apparently, they (not sure who I'm talking about here - the relevant powers that be) want a clear separation of the officials on the field and the replay official.
A quote from one article I found: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/..._gray.html
Quote:When ejections occur, a team gets penalized 15 yards for a play that really may not be a penalty. Under the new rule, replay officials can overturn an ejection but not pick up the flag.
"It's a tough call because you really could have a penalty that's separate and apart (from targeting)," SEC Commissioner Mike Slive said. "What you'd be asking a replay official to do is make a game-official decision. We've put an iron wall between the replay official and the officials on the field. There's no time when he could be considered another official, and we want to maintain that. Whether or not this particular issue requires crossing into that bright line is something the rules committee will have to consider."
Why not make the replay official "another official"?
12-02-2013, 08:09 AM
(12-02-2013, 07:20 AM)bazza97 link Wrote:[quote author=Kathy link=topic=8986.msg76457#msg76457 date=1385993370]
This is what I don't understand. I have seen college games where the flag came out and after discussion among the refs, they announce, "There is no foul." So why could they not do that after the bogus targeting call that the replay showed wasn't even a foul? Could Shaw have challenged it?
I wondered this myself...after very superficial research it appears that refs can pick up a flag, but replay officials don't have that power. Apparently, they (not sure who I'm talking about here - the relevant powers that be) want a clear separation of the officials on the field and the replay official.
Why not make the replay official "another official"?
[/quote]That's what I thought as well - officials frequently pick up their flag and announce "there was no penalty." BUT - in this game the referees on the field were from the ACC and they refused to "pick up the flag and admit they made a mistake." The replay officials were from the Pac-12 and they reversed the horrible targeting call - which would have been terrible for Carter to be ineligible for the first half of the Pac12 Championship game, but they could not reverse the flag of the ACC official. Sounds like we're voting for the Pac-12 officials again.
(12-02-2013, 07:20 AM)bazza97 link Wrote:[quote author=Kathy link=topic=8986.msg76457#msg76457 date=1385993370]
This is what I don't understand. I have seen college games where the flag came out and after discussion among the refs, they announce, "There is no foul." So why could they not do that after the bogus targeting call that the replay showed wasn't even a foul? Could Shaw have challenged it?
I wondered this myself...after very superficial research it appears that refs can pick up a flag, but replay officials don't have that power. Apparently, they (not sure who I'm talking about here - the relevant powers that be) want a clear separation of the officials on the field and the replay official.
Why not make the replay official "another official"?
[/quote]That's what I thought as well - officials frequently pick up their flag and announce "there was no penalty." BUT - in this game the referees on the field were from the ACC and they refused to "pick up the flag and admit they made a mistake." The replay officials were from the Pac-12 and they reversed the horrible targeting call - which would have been terrible for Carter to be ineligible for the first half of the Pac12 Championship game, but they could not reverse the flag of the ACC official. Sounds like we're voting for the Pac-12 officials again.
12-02-2013, 05:26 PM
(12-02-2013, 09:23 AM)garvin link Wrote:Frankly, I think the conspiratorial element of the criticism here is ridiculous. It was just a bad call on a bang-bang play, the nature of which officials have been instructed to take very seriously. Not every bad call involves the grassy knoll.I don't think anyone is promoting a conspiracy theory here - just poor officiating. We have complained about Pac-12 officiating being terrible - often opining for the quality of officials from other conferences - but here we have an example where the officials from the ACC were terrible and thank goodness the replay officials were from the Pac-12 and they made the right calls.
(12-02-2013, 09:23 AM)garvin link Wrote:Frankly, I think the conspiratorial element of the criticism here is ridiculous. It was just a bad call on a bang-bang play, the nature of which officials have been instructed to take very seriously. Not every bad call involves the grassy knoll.I don't think anyone is promoting a conspiracy theory here - just poor officiating. We have complained about Pac-12 officiating being terrible - often opining for the quality of officials from other conferences - but here we have an example where the officials from the ACC were terrible and thank goodness the replay officials were from the Pac-12 and they made the right calls.
12-03-2013, 08:25 AM
(12-02-2013, 06:26 PM)garvin link Wrote:Perhaps I misunderstood the tenor of the ACC posts, but it sounded to me like a lot of people suggested that the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends's basketball participation in the conference rendered those officials less than neutral.
My comment was more directed at the Hunchbacks committing to 5 football games against the ACC, making them a de facto member of the conference in the officials' minds.
(12-02-2013, 06:26 PM)garvin link Wrote:Perhaps I misunderstood the tenor of the ACC posts, but it sounded to me like a lot of people suggested that the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends's basketball participation in the conference rendered those officials less than neutral.
My comment was more directed at the Hunchbacks committing to 5 football games against the ACC, making them a de facto member of the conference in the officials' minds.
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