11-04-2010, 04:00 PM
Guess the score.
I have Arizona 34, Stanford 31.
I have Arizona 34, Stanford 31.
Tempt The Woofing Gods:
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11-04-2010, 05:18 PM
Same numbers as last year, but this time it\'s AZ that gets shut out in the fourth quarter:
Stanford 43, Arizona 38
Stanford 43, Arizona 38
11-04-2010, 07:29 PM
WIM:
I hope you sincerely mean that score. See tenet 12 of Oliver\'s Woofing Theorem.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/Woof.html
The woofing gods are not easily fooled!
I hope you sincerely mean that score. See tenet 12 of Oliver\'s Woofing Theorem.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/Woof.html
The woofing gods are not easily fooled!
WIM:
I hope you sincerely mean that score. See tenet 12 of Oliver\'s Woofing Theorem.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/Woof.html
The woofing gods are not easily fooled!
I hope you sincerely mean that score. See tenet 12 of Oliver\'s Woofing Theorem.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/Woof.html
The woofing gods are not easily fooled!
11-04-2010, 08:21 PM
I do! I think Arizona will beat us. The defensive issues are pretty well-known by now, and I think Arizona\'s offense is well-positioned to take on our particular issues (Stanford\'s defense is fairly good against the run and generates a good pass rush; Arizona\'s offense relies on the death-by-paper-cut short passing offense that tests your secondary\'s ability to tackle above anything. Does this sound familiar?) Arizona\'s defense is a bit of a mystery to me: its good statistics have been inflated by its performances against Toledo (2 points allowed) and Citadel (6 points allowed); in games against respectable opponents, it\'s surrendered quite a few points. We should have little trouble scoring, though I\'m worried that our issues with finishing off drives--due to the lack of a homerun hitter--will haunt us as we settle for FGs instead of touchdowns (also avoiding turnovers: even when you discount Luck\'s Hail Mary INT, he\'s had six TOs in the last five games.)
I\'m very worried, and I\'m not entirely sure why everyone is so enthusiastic. Most people seem to be picking Stanford, and the line opened at STAN -9.5. The series has been close--down to the last play the past two years--and Arizona\'s got the best win (they\'ve beaten Iowa; we\'ve beaten whom, exactly?). At a minimum I expect it to be tough, and as I\'ve said, I think Arizona beats us.
I\'m very worried, and I\'m not entirely sure why everyone is so enthusiastic. Most people seem to be picking Stanford, and the line opened at STAN -9.5. The series has been close--down to the last play the past two years--and Arizona\'s got the best win (they\'ve beaten Iowa; we\'ve beaten whom, exactly?). At a minimum I expect it to be tough, and as I\'ve said, I think Arizona beats us.
I do! I think Arizona will beat us. The defensive issues are pretty well-known by now, and I think Arizona\'s offense is well-positioned to take on our particular issues (Stanford\'s defense is fairly good against the run and generates a good pass rush; Arizona\'s offense relies on the death-by-paper-cut short passing offense that tests your secondary\'s ability to tackle above anything. Does this sound familiar?) Arizona\'s defense is a bit of a mystery to me: its good statistics have been inflated by its performances against Toledo (2 points allowed) and Citadel (6 points allowed); in games against respectable opponents, it\'s surrendered quite a few points. We should have little trouble scoring, though I\'m worried that our issues with finishing off drives--due to the lack of a homerun hitter--will haunt us as we settle for FGs instead of touchdowns (also avoiding turnovers: even when you discount Luck\'s Hail Mary INT, he\'s had six TOs in the last five games.)
I\'m very worried, and I\'m not entirely sure why everyone is so enthusiastic. Most people seem to be picking Stanford, and the line opened at STAN -9.5. The series has been close--down to the last play the past two years--and Arizona\'s got the best win (they\'ve beaten Iowa; we\'ve beaten whom, exactly?). At a minimum I expect it to be tough, and as I\'ve said, I think Arizona beats us.
I\'m very worried, and I\'m not entirely sure why everyone is so enthusiastic. Most people seem to be picking Stanford, and the line opened at STAN -9.5. The series has been close--down to the last play the past two years--and Arizona\'s got the best win (they\'ve beaten Iowa; we\'ve beaten whom, exactly?). At a minimum I expect it to be tough, and as I\'ve said, I think Arizona beats us.
11-04-2010, 08:43 PM
Yeah, but why is Iowa a good win? They\'re in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten, say it with me, IS TERRIBLE.
Arizona has only played one good Pac-10 team, OR ST, and lost at home.
Also, our defense has been extremely competent at tackling this season, our problems lie in covering deep routes. I suspect we probably will give up a few deep plays. But I think we shut down their run game enough to kill some drives, and I don\'t see us punting more than once or twice.
Arizona has only played one good Pac-10 team, OR ST, and lost at home.
Also, our defense has been extremely competent at tackling this season, our problems lie in covering deep routes. I suspect we probably will give up a few deep plays. But I think we shut down their run game enough to kill some drives, and I don\'t see us punting more than once or twice.
Yeah, but why is Iowa a good win? They\'re in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten, say it with me, IS TERRIBLE.
Arizona has only played one good Pac-10 team, OR ST, and lost at home.
Also, our defense has been extremely competent at tackling this season, our problems lie in covering deep routes. I suspect we probably will give up a few deep plays. But I think we shut down their run game enough to kill some drives, and I don\'t see us punting more than once or twice.
Arizona has only played one good Pac-10 team, OR ST, and lost at home.
Also, our defense has been extremely competent at tackling this season, our problems lie in covering deep routes. I suspect we probably will give up a few deep plays. But I think we shut down their run game enough to kill some drives, and I don\'t see us punting more than once or twice.
11-04-2010, 09:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2010, 09:24 PM by washingtonismoney.)
The extreme competence of our defensive tackling must have eluded me during the USC and Oregon games.
As to the quality of the win: Iowa is a legit team. I know it because I\'ve seen them play several times over the past two years. They\'ve only got two losses, and while their only good wins are against fellow Big Ten teams, I don\'t think the Big Ten is nearly as bad as its reputation warrants. When the NFL drafts several Iowa players in the next couple of years, I suppose it\'ll just be because of the overwhelming Big Ten bias among NFL decision makers.
At any rate, even if you don\'t rate Iowa, who do you rate among Stanford\'s wins? USC? (who lost to Washington?) Other than that, every one of our other I-A wins has a losing record. We\'ve had an extremely soft schedule this year, and good for us. Doesn\'t make us obviously better than Arizona.
As to the quality of the win: Iowa is a legit team. I know it because I\'ve seen them play several times over the past two years. They\'ve only got two losses, and while their only good wins are against fellow Big Ten teams, I don\'t think the Big Ten is nearly as bad as its reputation warrants. When the NFL drafts several Iowa players in the next couple of years, I suppose it\'ll just be because of the overwhelming Big Ten bias among NFL decision makers.
At any rate, even if you don\'t rate Iowa, who do you rate among Stanford\'s wins? USC? (who lost to Washington?) Other than that, every one of our other I-A wins has a losing record. We\'ve had an extremely soft schedule this year, and good for us. Doesn\'t make us obviously better than Arizona.
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2010, 09:24 PM by washingtonismoney.)
The extreme competence of our defensive tackling must have eluded me during the USC and Oregon games.
As to the quality of the win: Iowa is a legit team. I know it because I\'ve seen them play several times over the past two years. They\'ve only got two losses, and while their only good wins are against fellow Big Ten teams, I don\'t think the Big Ten is nearly as bad as its reputation warrants. When the NFL drafts several Iowa players in the next couple of years, I suppose it\'ll just be because of the overwhelming Big Ten bias among NFL decision makers.
At any rate, even if you don\'t rate Iowa, who do you rate among Stanford\'s wins? USC? (who lost to Washington?) Other than that, every one of our other I-A wins has a losing record. We\'ve had an extremely soft schedule this year, and good for us. Doesn\'t make us obviously better than Arizona.
As to the quality of the win: Iowa is a legit team. I know it because I\'ve seen them play several times over the past two years. They\'ve only got two losses, and while their only good wins are against fellow Big Ten teams, I don\'t think the Big Ten is nearly as bad as its reputation warrants. When the NFL drafts several Iowa players in the next couple of years, I suppose it\'ll just be because of the overwhelming Big Ten bias among NFL decision makers.
At any rate, even if you don\'t rate Iowa, who do you rate among Stanford\'s wins? USC? (who lost to Washington?) Other than that, every one of our other I-A wins has a losing record. We\'ve had an extremely soft schedule this year, and good for us. Doesn\'t make us obviously better than Arizona.
11-04-2010, 09:58 PM
Arizona and Stanford are fairly equivalent teams--the dropoff between #10 and #13 ranks is not all that great. Â I\'m particularly worried about the linebacking corps\' ability to stuff the run and cover underneath routes. Â We\'re just going to have to hang on to the outside fly routes and hope that the Foles/Criner duo don\'t end up with gaudy stats. Â Grigsby is legit, and so are Foles/Criner.
But I still think Stanford wins this home game, by less than two touchdowns. Â Could be a close one.
But I still think Stanford wins this home game, by less than two touchdowns. Â Could be a close one.
Arizona and Stanford are fairly equivalent teams--the dropoff between #10 and #13 ranks is not all that great. Â I\'m particularly worried about the linebacking corps\' ability to stuff the run and cover underneath routes. Â We\'re just going to have to hang on to the outside fly routes and hope that the Foles/Criner duo don\'t end up with gaudy stats. Â Grigsby is legit, and so are Foles/Criner.
But I still think Stanford wins this home game, by less than two touchdowns. Â Could be a close one.
But I still think Stanford wins this home game, by less than two touchdowns. Â Could be a close one.
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11-05-2010, 02:02 AM
I think Stanford wins, primarily because it has defended home field so well in the past couple of years. Â Like many people on here, I think the teams match up with each other really well, and in those cases I think there is a home field advantage that can make a difference.
The tackling issues in the games vs. Oregon and USC are explainable. Â With Oregon, well, hell, it\'s that damned Oregon offense. Â We tackled fairly well in the first half, but by the last quarter and a half we were basically gassed (something that happens to nearly all Oregon opponents; see SC last week); Â with SC it really came down to one guy: Robert Woods. Â We really had no answer for him. Â I felt that we controlled everyone else fairly well in that game, but Woods is an absolute stud, and will be a problem for the entire Pac-10 until he decides to move on and play on Sundays. Â
I\'m not saying we have a great defense, mind you. Â But I think we are much improved over last year, and improved enough to pull this game out.
The tackling issues in the games vs. Oregon and USC are explainable. Â With Oregon, well, hell, it\'s that damned Oregon offense. Â We tackled fairly well in the first half, but by the last quarter and a half we were basically gassed (something that happens to nearly all Oregon opponents; see SC last week); Â with SC it really came down to one guy: Robert Woods. Â We really had no answer for him. Â I felt that we controlled everyone else fairly well in that game, but Woods is an absolute stud, and will be a problem for the entire Pac-10 until he decides to move on and play on Sundays. Â
I\'m not saying we have a great defense, mind you. Â But I think we are much improved over last year, and improved enough to pull this game out.
I think Stanford wins, primarily because it has defended home field so well in the past couple of years. Â Like many people on here, I think the teams match up with each other really well, and in those cases I think there is a home field advantage that can make a difference.
The tackling issues in the games vs. Oregon and USC are explainable. Â With Oregon, well, hell, it\'s that damned Oregon offense. Â We tackled fairly well in the first half, but by the last quarter and a half we were basically gassed (something that happens to nearly all Oregon opponents; see SC last week); Â with SC it really came down to one guy: Robert Woods. Â We really had no answer for him. Â I felt that we controlled everyone else fairly well in that game, but Woods is an absolute stud, and will be a problem for the entire Pac-10 until he decides to move on and play on Sundays. Â
I\'m not saying we have a great defense, mind you. Â But I think we are much improved over last year, and improved enough to pull this game out.
The tackling issues in the games vs. Oregon and USC are explainable. Â With Oregon, well, hell, it\'s that damned Oregon offense. Â We tackled fairly well in the first half, but by the last quarter and a half we were basically gassed (something that happens to nearly all Oregon opponents; see SC last week); Â with SC it really came down to one guy: Robert Woods. Â We really had no answer for him. Â I felt that we controlled everyone else fairly well in that game, but Woods is an absolute stud, and will be a problem for the entire Pac-10 until he decides to move on and play on Sundays. Â
I\'m not saying we have a great defense, mind you. Â But I think we are much improved over last year, and improved enough to pull this game out.
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11-05-2010, 07:29 AM
Quote:Arizona has only played one good Pac-10 team, OR ST, and lost at home.
And don\'t forget, Arizona almost lost to US. Â At home.
Quote:Arizona has only played one good Pac-10 team, OR ST, and lost at home.
And don\'t forget, Arizona almost lost to US. Â At home.
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