04-10-2014, 08:51 AM
OT: How the SEC teams pay its players
04-10-2014, 10:08 AM
The scary thing is that it sounds as if a group of rogue boosters could operate something like this system without the coaches really knowing the scope or nature of the activity.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
The scary thing is that it sounds as if a group of rogue boosters could operate something like this system without the coaches really knowing the scope or nature of the activity.
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
04-10-2014, 10:14 AM
Here's why that system wouldn't work at Stanford- Stanford boosters want their names on the record so their kids can get that tiny little boost in admissions! Being totally in the shadows doesn't help that endeavor.
04-10-2014, 10:52 AM
The only thing that was news to me in that story was the part how the bag men will stop paying recruits when they want a coach out. Brutal.
It's also a screaming example of why to me, the Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC should let the SEC operate as its own entity and not participate in competition with those schools. Would also be good for the NCAA to just go away. The organization has zero credibility.
It's also a screaming example of why to me, the Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC should let the SEC operate as its own entity and not participate in competition with those schools. Would also be good for the NCAA to just go away. The organization has zero credibility.
The only thing that was news to me in that story was the part how the bag men will stop paying recruits when they want a coach out. Brutal.
It's also a screaming example of why to me, the Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC should let the SEC operate as its own entity and not participate in competition with those schools. Would also be good for the NCAA to just go away. The organization has zero credibility.
It's also a screaming example of why to me, the Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC should let the SEC operate as its own entity and not participate in competition with those schools. Would also be good for the NCAA to just go away. The organization has zero credibility.
04-10-2014, 12:52 PM
Am I the only one here who thinks this could be the premise of a terrific HBO series: Bag Men. It's got morally compromised characters you could easily empathize with and even root for. The rogue boosters would serve as the mainstays. Coaches and players come and go. But the Alabama Bag Men that grease the wheels will always be there.
I'm already picturing one story arc, where they are recruiting this blue chip player. For some reason, he seems immune to their bribes and favors. Is it because he's already silently committed to the other big local university? The bread crumbs are there as the story unfolds. And boom here's the surprise twist: Stanford offers him.
Bag Man 1: "Sh!!!!t, there ain't no amount money we can put together that will make him pass that up."
Bag Man 2: "Well, at least he ain't goin' to Auburn."
I'm already picturing one story arc, where they are recruiting this blue chip player. For some reason, he seems immune to their bribes and favors. Is it because he's already silently committed to the other big local university? The bread crumbs are there as the story unfolds. And boom here's the surprise twist: Stanford offers him.
Bag Man 1: "Sh!!!!t, there ain't no amount money we can put together that will make him pass that up."
Bag Man 2: "Well, at least he ain't goin' to Auburn."
Am I the only one here who thinks this could be the premise of a terrific HBO series: Bag Men. It's got morally compromised characters you could easily empathize with and even root for. The rogue boosters would serve as the mainstays. Coaches and players come and go. But the Alabama Bag Men that grease the wheels will always be there.
I'm already picturing one story arc, where they are recruiting this blue chip player. For some reason, he seems immune to their bribes and favors. Is it because he's already silently committed to the other big local university? The bread crumbs are there as the story unfolds. And boom here's the surprise twist: Stanford offers him.
Bag Man 1: "Sh!!!!t, there ain't no amount money we can put together that will make him pass that up."
Bag Man 2: "Well, at least he ain't goin' to Auburn."
I'm already picturing one story arc, where they are recruiting this blue chip player. For some reason, he seems immune to their bribes and favors. Is it because he's already silently committed to the other big local university? The bread crumbs are there as the story unfolds. And boom here's the surprise twist: Stanford offers him.
Bag Man 1: "Sh!!!!t, there ain't no amount money we can put together that will make him pass that up."
Bag Man 2: "Well, at least he ain't goin' to Auburn."
04-10-2014, 01:00 PM
First thing I thought about was him. And how not-smart it was to get personally involved in what should be a bag man's duties...
Audaces fortuna iuvat
04-10-2014, 01:12 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-10-2014, 01:38 PM by OutsiderFan.)
(04-10-2014, 01:00 PM)Mick link Wrote:First thing I thought about was him. And how not-smart it was to get personally involved in what should be a bag man's duties...
Well, Cal is Cal. Even if they cared enough to cheat, they wouldn't do it right.
(This post was last modified: 04-10-2014, 01:38 PM by OutsiderFan.)
(04-10-2014, 01:00 PM)Mick link Wrote:First thing I thought about was him. And how not-smart it was to get personally involved in what should be a bag man's duties...
Well, Cal is Cal. Even if they cared enough to cheat, they wouldn't do it right.
04-11-2014, 01:50 PM
Writer of that awesome article did an AMA today on reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...er_for_sb/
Highlights
1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
2. 100% of the 5* players and 80* of the 4* players in the SEC are involved.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...er_for_sb/
Highlights
1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
2. 100% of the 5* players and 80* of the 4* players in the SEC are involved.
Writer of that awesome article did an AMA today on reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...er_for_sb/
Highlights
1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
2. 100% of the 5* players and 80* of the 4* players in the SEC are involved.
http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...er_for_sb/
Highlights
1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
2. 100% of the 5* players and 80* of the 4* players in the SEC are involved.
04-11-2014, 02:29 PM
(04-11-2014, 01:50 PM)Publius link Wrote:1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
Well, he also claimed that if you're a fan of a power-conference school, there are "almost certainly" bag men: http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...sb/cgpx7l2
(04-11-2014, 01:50 PM)Publius link Wrote:1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
Well, he also claimed that if you're a fan of a power-conference school, there are "almost certainly" bag men: http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...sb/cgpx7l2
04-11-2014, 03:10 PM
(04-11-2014, 02:29 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=Publius link=topic=9823.msg87646#msg87646 date=1397249426]
1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
Well, he also claimed that if you're a fan of a power-conference school, there are "almost certainly" bag men: http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...sb/cgpx7l2
[/quote]
Another:
[]Penn State Nittany Lionsummagumma79
Did you hear wind of any top 50 football team/coach that doesn't do payments? i.e. was there an exception to the rule?
[]StevenGodfrey
No, I have not.
(04-11-2014, 02:29 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=Publius link=topic=9823.msg87646#msg87646 date=1397249426]
1. One of his sources said he had "associates" that operated a similar system for a PAC-12 school. (Bet your guesc is the same as mine).
Well, he also claimed that if you're a fan of a power-conference school, there are "almost certainly" bag men: http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/22s...sb/cgpx7l2
[/quote]
Another:
[]Penn State Nittany Lionsummagumma79
Did you hear wind of any top 50 football team/coach that doesn't do payments? i.e. was there an exception to the rule?
[]StevenGodfrey
No, I have not.
04-12-2014, 05:28 PM
If there is an FBS school that does not have Bag Men, it would be us. After the Sandusky scandal, IIRC there are only 3 FBS schools that have not been found guilty of wrongdoing by the NCAA. Us, BC, and Northwestern. IIRC Penn State and Stanford were the only ones that were not even investigated. So we aren't not just one of the last virgins. Apparently, we are the only prude.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...2122863390
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...2122863390
If there is an FBS school that does not have Bag Men, it would be us. After the Sandusky scandal, IIRC there are only 3 FBS schools that have not been found guilty of wrongdoing by the NCAA. Us, BC, and Northwestern. IIRC Penn State and Stanford were the only ones that were not even investigated. So we aren't not just one of the last virgins. Apparently, we are the only prude.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...2122863390
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...2122863390
04-12-2014, 05:43 PM
The kind of student-athletes our staff needs to recruit would generally not be the type to be swayed by such bag men tactics. I hope.
04-12-2014, 07:09 PM
I think there's enough evidence now to vacate all SEC football championships for the last, say, 10 years. Hopefully, someone's forwarded that article to the NCAA...
04-12-2014, 07:54 PM
You know, the article is interesting, but there's a reason it's on SB Nation and not the New York Times. Hard to take it too seriously without any named sources at all.....no facts in there you can actually take to the bank.
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