[washingtonismoney]

If anything my suspicion is that grad school admissions are more likely to be tough than undergrad (relative to athletes).

[washingtonismoney]

If anything my suspicion is that grad school admissions are more likely to be tough than undergrad (relative to athletes).

[OutsiderFan]

Scarlett should have a good shot, and perhaps the inside line, on the DE spot opposite Shittu.

What?  Who is playing NT if not Shittu?  Phillips who is listed at 255?  Shittu's only listed at 275 himself, but  his High School coach is a former Ca.l player and posts on the Cal Rivals board.  A month or so ago, he explicitly said Shittu has been miscast as a 5 technique, and that his best position is NT which he expected him to play in 2015.

I was thinking a depth chart like this with Scarlett:

RDE: Thomas - Scarlett - Jackson
NT: Shittu - Phillips - Annan
LDE: Phillips - Watkins  - Lohn

Phillips would play NT mostly on passing downs and Annan would rotate in for Shittu maybe 10-20 snaps per game.

There are bodies, but all these guys are listed under 280, except Annan, and Phillips is the lightest of all of them according to the roster.  Hard to see the lightest DL be the starting NT.

[OutsiderFan]

Scarlett should have a good shot, and perhaps the inside line, on the DE spot opposite Shittu.

What?  Who is playing NT if not Shittu?  Phillips who is listed at 255?  Shittu's only listed at 275 himself, but  his High School coach is a former Ca.l player and posts on the Cal Rivals board.  A month or so ago, he explicitly said Shittu has been miscast as a 5 technique, and that his best position is NT which he expected him to play in 2015.

I was thinking a depth chart like this with Scarlett:

RDE: Thomas - Scarlett - Jackson
NT: Shittu - Phillips - Annan
LDE: Phillips - Watkins  - Lohn

Phillips would play NT mostly on passing downs and Annan would rotate in for Shittu maybe 10-20 snaps per game.

There are bodies, but all these guys are listed under 280, except Annan, and Phillips is the lightest of all of them according to the roster.  Hard to see the lightest DL be the starting NT.

[zedcom]

Stymie

I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

Agree with this! However, if Mr. Scarlett has been fully vetted and admitted to the GSB (has there been confirmation of this, btw?) on the merit of his academic and summer work resume, then I have no problem with his acceptance. If he is, in fact, a fully qualified GSB candidate, the bigger question to me is how can he possibly be expected to manage his GSB academic workload while spending, what, 20 hours a week on football? Sounds like a recipe for disaster, in one or both of these pursuits. If he is able to successfully pull this off, then wow! Just WOW! Im any case, I wish the young man great success!

[zedcom]

Stymie

I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

Agree with this! However, if Mr. Scarlett has been fully vetted and admitted to the GSB (has there been confirmation of this, btw?) on the merit of his academic and summer work resume, then I have no problem with his acceptance. If he is, in fact, a fully qualified GSB candidate, the bigger question to me is how can he possibly be expected to manage his GSB academic workload while spending, what, 20 hours a week on football? Sounds like a recipe for disaster, in one or both of these pursuits. If he is able to successfully pull this off, then wow! Just WOW! Im any case, I wish the young man great success!

[JohnR34231]

[quote author=Stymie link=topic=11858.msg114531#msg114531 date=1426081333]
I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

I haven't really thought about the issue much specifically w.r.t. the GSB. So to help me out ...

Why is it unseemly for the GSB to collude with the Athletic Department to let in a student-athlete with financial aid but not so unseemly for Stanford undergrad, or other Stanford grad programs, to do so?
[/quote]

I agree. I'm a little at a loss to understand why it would be unseemly for the GSB to cooperate with the football program in admitting a student athlete, when the undergraduate admissions department does it all the time.

[JohnR34231]

[quote author=Stymie link=topic=11858.msg114531#msg114531 date=1426081333]
I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

I haven't really thought about the issue much specifically w.r.t. the GSB. So to help me out ...

Why is it unseemly for the GSB to collude with the Athletic Department to let in a student-athlete with financial aid but not so unseemly for Stanford undergrad, or other Stanford grad programs, to do so?
[/quote]

I agree. I'm a little at a loss to understand why it would be unseemly for the GSB to cooperate with the football program in admitting a student athlete, when the undergraduate admissions department does it all the time.

[Hulk01]

I'm recall Shittu as an hs recruit and his performance in camps.  The report was that he showed only as a pure DE and not a good candidate for a three technique, much less a nose. 

I can see him at the nose in the nickel packages, which we may use a lot, but if he's our number one NT, a team that can run inside could hurt us badly.

[Hulk01]

I'm recall Shittu as an hs recruit and his performance in camps.  The report was that he showed only as a pure DE and not a good candidate for a three technique, much less a nose. 

I can see him at the nose in the nickel packages, which we may use a lot, but if he's our number one NT, a team that can run inside could hurt us badly.

[JohnR34231]

Actually, the conventional wisdom here has been the undergraduate admissions office never cooperates with the football team on admissions. Perhaps Stymie's posts should be understood as a coded plea for the GSB admissions office to stage a coup and take over all Stanford admissions.

I guess it depends on how you define the term "cooperate".

If by cooperate you mean let everyone in the football coaching staff would like them to, then I guess they don't cooperate.
If you mean let some in who wouldn't have been accepted if they weren't football recruits, then of course the admissions department cooperates.

[JohnR34231]

Actually, the conventional wisdom here has been the undergraduate admissions office never cooperates with the football team on admissions. Perhaps Stymie's posts should be understood as a coded plea for the GSB admissions office to stage a coup and take over all Stanford admissions.

I guess it depends on how you define the term "cooperate".

If by cooperate you mean let everyone in the football coaching staff would like them to, then I guess they don't cooperate.
If you mean let some in who wouldn't have been accepted if they weren't football recruits, then of course the admissions department cooperates.

[BobK]

Of course admissions works with FB and the AD

Scarlett will be final when he announces admitted and while we all assume the GSB maybe it's not.

Interesting the WBB couldn't get into the GSB

[BobK]

Of course admissions works with FB and the AD

Scarlett will be final when he announces admitted and while we all assume the GSB maybe it's not.

Interesting the WBB couldn't get into the GSB

[Stymie]

Stymie

I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

Agree with this! However, if Mr. Scarlett has been fully vetted and admitted to the GSB (has there been confirmation of this, btw?) on the merit of his academic and summer work resume, then I have no problem with his acceptance. If he is, in fact, a fully qualified GSB candidate, the bigger question to me is how can he possibly be expected to manage his GSB academic workload while spending, what, 20 hours a week on football? Sounds like a recipe for disaster, in one or both of these pursuits. If he is able to successfully pull this off, then wow! Just WOW! Im any case, I wish the young man great success!

Fully agree, zedcom, and I would feel the same way if he were planning to go on to Law School, or Medical School, or a Physics PhD, etc.  As one who went straight from LSJU to a GSB-equivalent MBA, I can verify that even many of the most highly qualified people admitted found it a quantum leap forward from undergraduate study, and did not have anywhere near the "free time" required these days to be both a University football scholarship player and a 1st year business/law/medicine/science school student.  If Scarlett is qualified do it--great.  If not, I am disappointed.

[Stymie]

Stymie

I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

Agree with this! However, if Mr. Scarlett has been fully vetted and admitted to the GSB (has there been confirmation of this, btw?) on the merit of his academic and summer work resume, then I have no problem with his acceptance. If he is, in fact, a fully qualified GSB candidate, the bigger question to me is how can he possibly be expected to manage his GSB academic workload while spending, what, 20 hours a week on football? Sounds like a recipe for disaster, in one or both of these pursuits. If he is able to successfully pull this off, then wow! Just WOW! Im any case, I wish the young man great success!

Fully agree, zedcom, and I would feel the same way if he were planning to go on to Law School, or Medical School, or a Physics PhD, etc.  As one who went straight from LSJU to a GSB-equivalent MBA, I can verify that even many of the most highly qualified people admitted found it a quantum leap forward from undergraduate study, and did not have anywhere near the "free time" required these days to be both a University football scholarship player and a 1st year business/law/medicine/science school student.  If Scarlett is qualified do it--great.  If not, I am disappointed.

[StanfordMatt]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=11858.msg114527#msg114527 date=1426080393]
Anyone have thoughts on Scarlett vis-a-vis what role and impact he might have as a football player for Stanford?

Depth at a very thin position.  Don't see him being a starter unless he is materially better than the others in fall practice, mainly because he's in his fifth year compared to others who have more years of eligibility left and therefore have more upside for the program.
[/quote]

Convoluted reasoning abounds regarding Scarlett.

Putting aside his academic program, in what world are younger players favored over veteran players because of their future upside? In closely contested position battles, seniors and fifth-years typically have an advantage over underclassmen precisely because of their experience. I don't expect this calculus to change for Scarlett simply because he spent his first four years at C.al. Granted, I have no idea if he's close to 100% healthy or how he stacks up against the rest of our DE's, but I suspect that if it's close, Scarlett will get the nod.

[StanfordMatt]

[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=11858.msg114527#msg114527 date=1426080393]
Anyone have thoughts on Scarlett vis-a-vis what role and impact he might have as a football player for Stanford?

Depth at a very thin position.  Don't see him being a starter unless he is materially better than the others in fall practice, mainly because he's in his fifth year compared to others who have more years of eligibility left and therefore have more upside for the program.
[/quote]

Convoluted reasoning abounds regarding Scarlett.

Putting aside his academic program, in what world are younger players favored over veteran players because of their future upside? In closely contested position battles, seniors and fifth-years typically have an advantage over underclassmen precisely because of their experience. I don't expect this calculus to change for Scarlett simply because he spent his first four years at C.al. Granted, I have no idea if he's close to 100% healthy or how he stacks up against the rest of our DE's, but I suspect that if it's close, Scarlett will get the nod.

[Hulk01]

I certainly will help if incoming DE Dylan Jackson can be ready to go this fall.  He should be better prepared than most incoming DEs because of his hs program and work in camps.

[Hulk01]

I certainly will help if incoming DE Dylan Jackson can be ready to go this fall.  He should be better prepared than most incoming DEs because of his hs program and work in camps.

[OutsiderFan]

OK, so are we to assume Harrison Phillips is going to be the starting NT?  Please tell me he is now heavier than his listed 255, and will be even heavier than this in September. 

[OutsiderFan]

OK, so are we to assume Harrison Phillips is going to be the starting NT?  Please tell me he is now heavier than his listed 255, and will be even heavier than this in September. 

[CTcard]

[quote author=CTcard link=topic=11858.msg114534#msg114534 date=1426082535]
[quote author=Stymie link=topic=11858.msg114531#msg114531 date=1426081333]
I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

I haven't really thought about the issue much specifically w.r.t. the GSB. So to help me out ...

Why is it unseemly for the GSB to collude with the Athletic Department to let in a student-athlete with financial aid but not so unseemly for Stanford undergrad, or other Stanford grad programs, to do so?
[/quote]

I agree. 
[/quote]

Agree is not really the correct word here.
I really was asking a question.
My apologies if it came across as overly loaded.

[CTcard]

[quote author=CTcard link=topic=11858.msg114534#msg114534 date=1426082535]
[quote author=Stymie link=topic=11858.msg114531#msg114531 date=1426081333]
I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

I haven't really thought about the issue much specifically w.r.t. the GSB. So to help me out ...

Why is it unseemly for the GSB to collude with the Athletic Department to let in a student-athlete with financial aid but not so unseemly for Stanford undergrad, or other Stanford grad programs, to do so?
[/quote]

I agree. 
[/quote]

Agree is not really the correct word here.
I really was asking a question.
My apologies if it came across as overly loaded.

[CTcard]

OK, so are we to assume Harrison Phillips is going to be the starting NT?  Please tell me he is now heavier than his listed 255, and will be even heavier than this in September.

Well, last year a good fraction of the time we didn't "start" a NT. I believe that each of the last three games (at any rate) we started in the nickel with only 2 DL.

More broadly, last year both Shittu and Phillips rotated through at NT. Given the current bodies it's hard to believe that both won't do so again this year, probably with more time at that position.

[CTcard]

OK, so are we to assume Harrison Phillips is going to be the starting NT?  Please tell me he is now heavier than his listed 255, and will be even heavier than this in September.

Well, last year a good fraction of the time we didn't "start" a NT. I believe that each of the last three games (at any rate) we started in the nickel with only 2 DL.

More broadly, last year both Shittu and Phillips rotated through at NT. Given the current bodies it's hard to believe that both won't do so again this year, probably with more time at that position.

[Robbie]

[quote author=Stymie link=topic=11858.msg114531#msg114531 date=1426081333]
I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

I haven't really thought about the issue much specifically w.r.t. the GSB. So to help me out ...

Why is it unseemly for the GSB to collude with the Athletic Department to let in a student-athlete with financial aid but not so unseemly for Stanford undergrad, or other Stanford grad programs, to do so?
[/quote]

My guess is that students without work experience do not benefit from, nor do they bring as much benefit to, the class discussions and other academic experiences that are central to graduate business school education.

I went to graduate business school without any significant work experience. I went as a Ph.D. student, though, so I didn't have many classes in common with MBA students - but when I did I'm sure that I was a fish out of water. (But drop one of them into a non-linear optimization class - I'd run circles around them.)

I strongly suspect that Scarlett would end up in the Econ department, or the MS&E department, or some other program that has a different educational mission than the GSB.

[Robbie]

[quote author=Stymie link=topic=11858.msg114531#msg114531 date=1426081333]
I find it unseemly that there is even a whiff of collusion between the Athletic Department and the GSB which seems to allow the latter to be admitted to the GSB on a free ride in the place of some other possibly more talented (GSB-wise) applicant than Mr. Scarlett.

I haven't really thought about the issue much specifically w.r.t. the GSB. So to help me out ...

Why is it unseemly for the GSB to collude with the Athletic Department to let in a student-athlete with financial aid but not so unseemly for Stanford undergrad, or other Stanford grad programs, to do so?
[/quote]

My guess is that students without work experience do not benefit from, nor do they bring as much benefit to, the class discussions and other academic experiences that are central to graduate business school education.

I went to graduate business school without any significant work experience. I went as a Ph.D. student, though, so I didn't have many classes in common with MBA students - but when I did I'm sure that I was a fish out of water. (But drop one of them into a non-linear optimization class - I'd run circles around them.)

I strongly suspect that Scarlett would end up in the Econ department, or the MS&E department, or some other program that has a different educational mission than the GSB.

[PrinceLightfoot]

I strongly suspect that Scarlett would end up in the Econ department, or the MS&E department, or some other program that has a different educational mission than the GSB.

If he plans on pursuing a PhD, then the Econ department makes sense but it's probably more difficult to obtain admission going down that road than the extremely selective GSB.

http://economics.stanford.edu/graduate/g...ers-degree

On a different note, did Scarlett receive a medical redshirt considering he was injured for most of his career across the bay?

[PrinceLightfoot]

I strongly suspect that Scarlett would end up in the Econ department, or the MS&E department, or some other program that has a different educational mission than the GSB.

If he plans on pursuing a PhD, then the Econ department makes sense but it's probably more difficult to obtain admission going down that road than the extremely selective GSB.

http://economics.stanford.edu/graduate/g...ers-degree

On a different note, did Scarlett receive a medical redshirt considering he was injured for most of his career across the bay?

[washingtonismoney]

On a different note, did Scarlett receive a medical redshirt considering he was injured for most of his carrier across the bay?

Thought Scarlett was coming from kal, not the Navy.

[washingtonismoney]

On a different note, did Scarlett receive a medical redshirt considering he was injured for most of his carrier across the bay?

Thought Scarlett was coming from kal, not the Navy.

[terry]

[quote author=Robbie link=topic=11858.msg114555#msg114555 date=1426096500]
I strongly suspect that Scarlett would end up in the Econ department, or the MS&E department, or some other program that has a different educational mission than the GSB.

On a different note, did Scarlett receive a medical redshirt considering he was injured for most of his carrier across the bay?
[/quote]

Scarlett sat out the entire 2013 season with an injury, so that counts as a normal redshirt season for him. He doesn't need to apply for a medical redshirt because he didn't play at all.

Scarlett missed parts of his other three seasons, but he doesn't qualify for a medical redshirt for any of them. He played too many games in 2014 (5) and 2012 (9) for a medical redshirt. He played only 3 games in 2011, but one of them was during the second half of the season, which means he can't get a medical redshirt for that season. Medical redshirts are available only when there's a season-ending injury in the first half of the season.

So he has one season of eligibility left.

[terry]

[quote author=Robbie link=topic=11858.msg114555#msg114555 date=1426096500]
I strongly suspect that Scarlett would end up in the Econ department, or the MS&E department, or some other program that has a different educational mission than the GSB.

On a different note, did Scarlett receive a medical redshirt considering he was injured for most of his carrier across the bay?
[/quote]

Scarlett sat out the entire 2013 season with an injury, so that counts as a normal redshirt season for him. He doesn't need to apply for a medical redshirt because he didn't play at all.

Scarlett missed parts of his other three seasons, but he doesn't qualify for a medical redshirt for any of them. He played too many games in 2014 (5) and 2012 (9) for a medical redshirt. He played only 3 games in 2011, but one of them was during the second half of the season, which means he can't get a medical redshirt for that season. Medical redshirts are available only when there's a season-ending injury in the first half of the season.

So he has one season of eligibility left.

[FarmBoy]

I too am not assuming he's GSB and would in fact be surprised by that.

I have heard that some B-Schools, particularly GSB are targeting select younger students with less experience. Because a lot of the value of the MBA programs is the network they create, GSB and others have noticed that truly high potential kids are likely to quickly price themselves out of going back for an MBA (why go back to school if you're already a CEO or making $1M a year as a hedge fund manager)? So they're proactively seeking out those kids to capture them in their network early. But nothing I've heard about Scarlett leads me to believe he's in that category.

My money is on masters program for MS&E.

[FarmBoy]

I too am not assuming he's GSB and would in fact be surprised by that.

I have heard that some B-Schools, particularly GSB are targeting select younger students with less experience. Because a lot of the value of the MBA programs is the network they create, GSB and others have noticed that truly high potential kids are likely to quickly price themselves out of going back for an MBA (why go back to school if you're already a CEO or making $1M a year as a hedge fund manager)? So they're proactively seeking out those kids to capture them in their network early. But nothing I've heard about Scarlett leads me to believe he's in that category.

My money is on masters program for MS&E.

[StannyBoy]

He's enrolling in the masters program for MS&E. GSB really wasn't realistic.

http://blog.sfgate.com/cal/2015/03/11/br...-stanford/

[StannyBoy]

He's enrolling in the masters program for MS&E. GSB really wasn't realistic.

http://blog.sfgate.com/cal/2015/03/11/br...-stanford/

[PrinceLightfoot]

Thanks, terry!

[PrinceLightfoot]

Thanks, terry!